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[澳洲资讯] 艾博特建议取消30岁以下救济金领取资格 [复制链接]

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艾博特建议取消30岁以下救济金领取资格以鼓励年轻人去工作,来缓解澳洲严重的技
工短缺问题。

陆克文同时却在放宽救济金领取审核制度。从7月份开始,救济金领取人将通过网络或电
话向Centrelink汇报寻工进展而不需要去Centrelink当面汇报。

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No more dole, Tony Abbott warns the under-30s

Abbott suggests cutting dole for under 30's
Says it would force people to take jobs
Rudd relaxes dole reporting rules

TONY Abbott has proposed banning the dole for young people in a bid to fill the massive skills shortages in the resources sector.

The Federal Opposition Leader raised the controversial idea during a two-hour meeting with senior resources industry leaders in Perth on Monday night, The Australian newspaper reports.

He said that cutting dole payments to people aged under 30 would take pressure off the welfare system and reduce the need to bring in large numbers of skilled migrants to staff mining projects in Western Australia and Queensland.

But Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Howes attacked Mr Abbott's remarks.

"If he genuinely thinks you are going to solve an economically crippling skills shortage by taking punitive measures against welfare recipients, he has clearly never lived in the real world," Mr Howes said.

Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar.
Related CoverageUgly truth: Rudd poll shame Health deal: What it means Jobless `opt out' slammed
The Australian, 7 hours ago
Big or little? The debate is on
The Australian, 6 Apr 2010
Labor's soft line on dole cheats
The Australian, 4 Apr 2010
Labor's going soft on dole: Coalition
The Australian, 16 Mar 2010
Resentment simmers as party races right
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Mr Abbott also told the business leaders that safety mechanisms would be needed under such a scheme to protect disabled people or those with mental health problems.

And he raised the possibility that employers would need to be given funding to train the unemployed, according to those present.

Some of the business leaders were surprised by the remarks, while others were impressed Mr Abbott was considering new measures to address the labour shortages in Western Australia that threaten to crimp the next resources boom.

"I thought to myself: here is a guy who thinks outside the square," said one participant.

A spokeswoman for Mr Abbott told The Australian that Mr Abbott's comments did not mean the approach was Coalition policy.

The Minerals Council of Australia said the number of workers in the resources sector would need to grow by about 86,000 in the next decade to maintain Australia's share of global minerals markets.

It said 31,000 of those workers would need to be skilled tradespeople.

The demand for labour is expected to be most severe in Western Australia, which has about $200 billion in resources projects either under way or in the pipeline.

Rudd  relaxes dole rules

Meanwhile critics are claiming the Rudd Government has gone soft on job seekers, relaxing the rules under which they are required to report to Centrelink.

From July, job seekers would have the option of meeting reporting requirements online or by phone rather than fronting up to a Centrelink office.

More intensive personal contact interviews conducted on a six- or 12-weekly basis.

Human Services Minister Chris Bowen said the change did away with unnecessary time spent reporting and allowed people more time looking for work.

"It's the biggest change to job seeker interaction with Centrelink in decades," Mr Bowen said. "But it will not diminish their obligations when they are receiving income support. The same penalties for non-compliance will still apply."

The Director of the Welfare Rights Centre Maree O'Halloran said for some people the changes would lead to problems with engagement.

"Welfare Rights' main concern is that some people may end up with large debts if they do not have regular, personal contact with a Centrelink officer."

The Coalition's employment participation spokesman, Mathias Cormann, said the change was a false economy.

"If we're serious about getting people on welfare back into work then this is yet another step in the wrong direction," Senator Cormann said.

"Government processes around income support should be designed so that compliance with mutual obligation can be properly monitored and enforced."

He said since coming to office, Labor had been watering down mutual obligation.

"People on the dole should work for the dole unless there are very good reasons why they can't.

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要地!

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唉,澳洲的懒人群体要比弱势群体大得多呀

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在我眼里,只要你会说英语,就没有吃救济的权利。。。
我们这些外来移民,英语说得结结巴巴,还硬着头皮上;那些local,英语说得那么溜,还好意思领救济。

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支持.
他们那些人寻工也不是寻工的样,以前打工的时候经常遇到,一个一个穿得跟吸毒的一样,进来就问,招人不?谁敢要.
当然说不招,然后他们会很开心的拿张纸,让你签个字,证明他们在找工.....

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G粉年年有,今年特别多。

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发表于 2010-4-21 08:50 |显示全部楼层

反对党领袖TONY Abbott警告到,30岁以下的人将不再能接受失业救济金

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反对党领袖TONY Abbott提议禁止给年轻人发放失业救济金,希望以此能够填补能源行业面临的庞大的技能人员的短缺的问题。

他说,停止给30岁以下的人发放失业救济金可以减缓福利系统的压力,并减少需要引进大量的技术移民以满足西澳和昆士兰矿业工程的需要。

但是澳洲工会秘书Paul Howes攻击了TONY Abbott的言论。

他表示,“如果他真的认为对接受失业救济金的人采取惩罚性措施,从而可以解决技能人员短缺的问题,那他显然从未在现实世界里生活过。”


From: http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/no-more-dole-tony-abbott-warns-the-under-30s/story-e6frfmd9-1225856181945
TONY Abbott has proposed banning the dole for young people in a bid to fill the massive skills shortages in the resources sector.

The Federal Opposition Leader raised the controversial idea during a two-hour meeting with senior resources industry leaders in Perth on Monday night, The Australian newspaper reports.

He said that cutting dole payments to people aged under 30 would take pressure off the welfare system and reduce the need to bring in large numbers of skilled migrants to staff mining projects in Western Australia and Queensland.

But Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Howes attacked Mr Abbott's remarks.

"If he genuinely thinks you are going to solve an economically crippling skills shortage by taking punitive measures against welfare recipients, he has clearly never lived in the real world," Mr Howes said.

Mr Abbott also told the business leaders that safety mechanisms would be needed under such a scheme to protect disabled people or those with mental health problems.

And he raised the possibility that employers would need to be given funding to train the unemployed, according to those present.

Some of the business leaders were surprised by the remarks, while others were impressed Mr Abbott was considering new measures to address the labour shortages in Western Australia that threaten to crimp the next resources boom.

"I thought to myself: here is a guy who thinks outside the square," said one participant.

A spokeswoman for Mr Abbott told The Australian that Mr Abbott's comments did not mean the approach was Coalition policy.

The Minerals Council of Australia said the number of workers in the resources sector would need to grow by about 86,000 in the next decade to maintain Australia's share of global minerals markets.

It said 31,000 of those workers would need to be skilled tradespeople.

The demand for labour is expected to be most severe in Western Australia, which has about $200 billion in resources projects either under way or in the pipeline.
Keep peace but caution...Waiting for the timing...
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通过论坛约束自己...锻炼自己...
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工党这下要偷着笑了

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原帖由 righttang 于 2010-4-21 08:46 发表
在我眼里,只要你会说英语,就没有吃救济的权利。。。
我们这些外来移民,英语说得结结巴巴,还硬着头皮上;那些local,英语说得那么溜,还好意思领救济。

刚登陆的技术移民是最大的弱势群体。想当年刚来时什么补助都领不到,只能花自己的积蓄,越花心里越没底。等到两年后有资格领补助了,都已经TMD交了一年多税了。
到现在一分钱救济也没拿过,到是上的那么多年的税都让工党一次性的糟蹋了。

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突然看Tony Abbott 顺眼了许多

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原帖由 charmaine 于 2010-4-21 09:33 发表
突然看Tony Abbott 顺眼了许多


现在有工作。丢了工作也没关系反正超30了
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下次自由党的支持率又会下降了

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TONY这是稳固基本盘, 前一段时间的策略是抢夺工党的票源, 如限制移民鼓励生育这个脑残建议.

TONY最大的问题是政策左右摇摆, 令人琢磨不定, 这既抢不到工党的票源又令一部分自由党支持者非常失望.

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他也真敢说,虽然这话对,可是未必政治正确

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原帖由 astina 于 2010-4-21 09:49 发表
他也真敢说,虽然这话对,可是未必政治正确


其实这家伙就是个249,成天到处露胸肌
霍华德加息的时候,砖家出来了,利率要突破10%
油价涨的时候,砖家出来了,油价要到$2一升,甚至更高
金融危机来了,砖家出来了,澳币要跌到50美分以下,房价要下跌50%
经济好转了,砖家出来了,房价均价要突破100万
银行又加息了,砖家tnnd又出来了,房价要跌了

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30岁不到,那么朝气蓬勃的年纪, 就要领救济,真是一个大笑话.
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30岁不到,四肢健全的就不该领救济
不交税的,就不该有投票权

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建议提高到35岁吧

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应该提高到50,50岁以下身体健康有手有脚的就该去干活,凭什么让别人养?

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支持

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大家有没有想过以年龄来划分是否有资格是非常不靠谱的? 每个人的情况都不同, 如果确实生活困难, 却因为没满30岁而拿不到救济, 这是否科学和人道?

不知道有没有人听过早上FOX FM的节目, MATT & JOE有个慈善活动, 把卖GOTCHA CD的钱来资助那些生活困难的人. 有些人生活确实很惨,很苦, 不是他们不愿努力, 有些天灾人祸谁也无法预料的.
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原帖由 pomer 于 2010-4-21 10:12 发表
大家有没有想过以年龄来划分是否有资格是非常不靠谱的? 每个人的情况都不同, 如果确实生活困难, 却因为没满30岁而拿不到救济, 这是否科学和人道?

不知道有没有人听过早上FOX FM的节目, MATT & JOE有个慈善活动,  ...

能够给个具体的例子吗?如果生病或者残疾,当然可以领福利,可是我挺难想象一个身体健康的年轻人,愿意干活,却找不到出路,没福利就不行的
于无声处听惊雷

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这个节目现在还在播, 有空可以去听一听.

举个例子, 具体不记得是哪天的节目了, 有一个家庭, 丈夫死于车祸, 妻子自己也身患重症, 还要孤苦地抚养自己的孩子, 这个时候如果没有政府和社会的帮助, 他们就完了.

单纯以年龄来划分, 而不顾个人或家庭的实际情况是非常不科学的.

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单亲妈妈另当别论的,病人当然也另当别论,我们讨论的是18岁以上30岁以下没病没灾不需抚养孩子的人

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这个“30岁”划分的依据在哪里? 为啥不是 28岁, 或者 22岁,或者...?

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原帖由 astina 于 2010-4-21 10:37 发表
单亲妈妈另当别论的,病人当然也另当别论,我们讨论的是18岁以上30岁以下没病没灾不需抚养孩子的人


Abbott没这么说吧, 他只是说30岁以下. 可以设定更严格的审核资格, 提高门坎.而不是通过年龄来一刀切
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原帖由 pomer 于 2010-4-21 09:48 发表
TONY这是稳固基本盘, 前一段时间的策略是抢夺工党的票源, 如限制移民鼓励生育这个脑残建议.

TONY最大的问题是政策左右摇摆, 令人琢磨不定, 这既抢不到工党的票源又令一部分自由党支持者非常失望.

呵呵,没关系的,大多数选民不看什么政策延续性的,只要玩的好,一样拿到票源。

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原帖由 beta_caojin 于 2010-4-21 09:53 发表
30岁不到,四肢健全的就不该领救济
不交税的,就不该有投票权


可以不投票?这么好的政策,澳洲人一定拥护!

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原帖由 emerald 于 2010-4-21 10:09 发表
应该提高到50,50岁以下身体健康有手有脚的就该去干活,凭什么让别人养?


以年龄作为划分依据总是显得很幼稚,其实是一种隐性歧视

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我是自由党支持者, 但对Tony Abbott非常失望, 他的一些政策象是临时想出来的, 随口而出,完全没有经过深思熟率的样子. 个人也是整天玩花架子, 不干实事.

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