$500K 在 Melb 哪个区买投資房会比較好？

louis555koo

Chining 发表于 2014-3-19 07:58
朋友，你说话颠三倒四，一开始说两房unit，现在又说地有300平米

unit也有地啊，哪里颠三倒四了，你说话太冲了吧，情况都没搞清楚

mlink3

lauar

大家觉得Moorabbin这个区怎么样呀？似乎不是华人聚集区，论坛上就很少讨论呀

mlink3

lauar 发表于 2014-3-20 15:54
大家觉得Moorabbin这个区怎么样呀？似乎不是华人聚集区，论坛上就很少讨论呀 ...

那里都是华人区！！
这个区还可以。有些工厂，　价位和ｃｌａｙｔｏｎ差不多。上一个档次的话就ｂｅｎｔｌｅｉｇｈ．或者ｃｈｅｌｔｈａｍ　也是可以的
下面的ｈａｍｐｔｏｎ，　ｈａｍｐｔｏｎ　ｅａｓｔ，　就没有华人了。和中国人很多的ｂｅｎｇｌｅｉｇｈ，　就相隔一条街。如果你去到对过，　人家对你的眼光就像看到稀有动物一样。

lauar

mlink3 发表于 2014-3-20 16:14
那里都是华人区！！
这个区还可以。有些工厂，　价位和ｃｌａｙｔｏｎ差不多。上一个档次的话就ｂｅｎｔ ...

那里有几条街，属于一个公立排名前十的小学的校区

就是离工厂区的确比较近，那些工厂不知道是否有污染啊

mlink3

lauar 发表于 2014-3-20 16:25
那里有几条街，属于一个公立排名前十的小学的校区

就是离工厂区的确比较近，那些工厂不知道是否有污染啊 ...

ｏａｋｌｅｉｇｈ　ｓｏｕｔｈ　ｐｒｉｍａｒｙ　ｉｓ　ｂｅｔｔｅｒ　ｌａｒ

没污染的！！！
怎么一提到工厂都会说污染呢？
你以为这里是中国　阿？
都是些小的作坊。

lauar

mlink3 发表于 2014-3-20 16:47
ｏａｋｌｅｉｇｈ　ｓｏｕｔｈ　ｐｒｉｍａｒｙ　ｉｓ　ｂｅｔｔｅｒ　ｌａｒ

没污染的！！！

那个小学叫Southmoor Primary School, 13年公立排名第8, oakleigh south排名16
不过可能oakleigh south primary综合更好点吧

其实，偶也觉得没啥污染，都是一些厂房办公仓库啥的
不过看了一套房，8个月新，但是bathroom排风扇上都已经布满了那种毛毛的灰
然后goggle map看了一下，后面3个block大概，就都是一片厂房，所以有点concern

其他都非常喜欢啦，包括房子，也不知道那个灰是否跟工厂区有关
看中的房子是独立title的townhouse, architect design, 很新很漂亮，地300左右，价格估计在850K左右
不知道以后re-sell value如何

mlink3

lauar 发表于 2014-3-20 16:55
那个小学叫Southmoor Primary School, 13年公立排名第8, oakleigh south排名16
不过可能oakleigh south p ...

８５０ｋ～～～？？？？！！！！　ｔｏｏ　ｍｕｃｈ
ＮＯ！！！

lauar

mlink3 发表于 2014-3-20 16:58
８５０ｋ～～～？？？？！！！！　ｔｏｏ　ｍｕｃｈ
ＮＯ！！！

嗯，也是觉得太贵了，不过旁边那个一模一样的去年年底拍到了855K, 里面的确是设计得非常漂亮
不过估计折旧也会很快

mlink3

lauar 发表于 2014-3-20 17:01
嗯，也是觉得太贵了，不过旁边那个一模一样的去年年底拍到了855K, 里面的确是设计得非常漂亮
不过估计折 ...

forget the stupid neighbor. You dont have to be as stupid as that neighbor.
For that price, you should really start looking at much better location rather than that kind of suburb.

A townhouse in Morrabin or Bengliegh east should be around 600k to 700k depending on the location and condition. anything higher, i will go to another suburb

bluesage

clayton

PacificCCR

Ringwood

baile999

很奇怪为什么没有人提到西南区呢？point cook, Truganina , Tarneit都不错啊。除了williams landing被炒得太高外，其它三个区都在楼主预算范围内了。西南边虽然没有大学，但是中等水平的中小学不少啊，尤其truagnia 还有一个顶级中学wesbourne gramma school, 我朋友在那买了投资房一天都没空过。西边的轻工业工厂和农场比较多，比如家具场，玻璃厂，花园维护公司和农业基地等等，这里有很多的shift staff,而且都是家庭租户，租客源很稳定啊。西区的房价这几年涨得势头很猛啊，我在point cook的房子，三年涨了十万有余啊。而且占地很大，小区设施也是全新的。楼主不防考虑下。不好意思，有做广告嫌疑了，不能再说了

mlink3

baile999 发表于 2014-3-21 00:43
很奇怪为什么没有人提到西南区呢？point cook, Truganina , Tarneit都不错啊。除了williams landing被炒得 ...

You know the sad thing about life is that when a lie has been told again and again and again, it will become a truth.

Same with property market, Point cook before 2006 was a swamp. Huge houses selling around 300k whilst median house price of melbourne has already exceeded 430k, A bunch of Chinese real estate investment groups partner with State government and some local building company created one of most successful property lie in Melbourne.

The previous attempt of similar kind property lie was Dockland project in 2002 to 2005 period initiated by Sydney Property Tycoon　“周华” was badly busted and failed pretty hard. And for that very reason, “周华” and his company has remain fairly silent for quite a long time. Basically, the project to make Dockland the new Melbourne CBD and create the urban life style and modern city look same as Sydney and its world famous darling harbour. And during that period, a lot of Chinese investors believed him and purchased a large portion of dockland apartment. And as you know, the property value of dockland properties has gone up by less than 10% over the past 10 to 12 years time.

Point cook on the other hand was a very different story and a very different kind of lie. Basically, at the time of developing Point cook, there would be no way to sell a property to most locals even though there are plans to build shopping centers, schools, community facilities. Locals won't buy it simply as that. This is where the lie kicks in. Chinese investment group were not targeting local buyers. Their strategy was to sell directly to oversea chinese buyers from their offices located in China. And most of these chinese buyers lived in China and have never been to Australia. All they knew was that the houses looked so big and pretty and it was close to beach too!!! WOW, SO CHEAP comparing to our small apartments in China. It was certainly a good buy. And as you know, GFC came and Australia Economy was in Great danger after 2007. The government loosed its immigration policy and allowed a few new oversea investment visa types such as 163 to absorb oversea funds and support local economy activities. It was a superb good chance for these chinese investment group to pump up the Point cook property price tag because to most ignorant rich chinese buyers these properties were so cheap.

So the story went on till now. And it is still successful. Chinese kept buying and kept coming in. But there will be an end to it soon once the immigration policy changes in the near future. The chinese sellers will find later that the their properties will be hard to resell to the price tag they want. I have to say it was one of the best property lie created in Melbourne. And for that, so many businesses went in PC and so many new infrastructures and community facilities have been built in PC. It is one of most fast growing suburbs in Melbourne for the past 5 years. But will the growth sustain at this level? Will the property value grow at a stable rate in the next 10 years? Would these big group of new chinese migrants be happy living there for a very long time after they know Melbourne much better than before?

Will lie finally become the truth?

baile999

mlink3 发表于 2014-3-21 12:17
You know the sad thing about life is that when a lie has been told again and again and again, it w ...

对你的这篇长回复总结如下：

一、你的电脑明明有中文输入法，但是你似乎比较中意卖弄你的英文，可惜，好多语法错误，用词不准以及中式英文夹杂其中。
二、你似乎在Dockland项目中受过伤，抑或你周围的人在那里受过伤，所以你对新开发的区都没什么好印象。
三、你的西区完全不了解，你不看好那里就是因为你觉得本地人不会买那里的房子，所以那里就是块烂区。实际上你根本不知道西南区本地人和中国人的居住人口比例，还有来此其它国家的例如韩国、日本、越南以及非洲人的人口比例。你觉得那里的虚增长是由中国买家造成的，只不过是因为你见过很多中国人在那里买地建房而已。那里到底有多少本地人的企业、生意你通通不知道。

总而言之，对你花这么多时间写了洋洋洒洒这么一大篇东西表示感谢，对你的知识背景和所表达的观点及引用的例证不值一驳，但是对你的英文水平只能是不屑一顾了。

甜芒果

说句公道话，
我认识的一对夫妻在point cook买了2套房子
一个自住一个出租，租金很便宜
后悔死了
他们是才来澳洲时买的
用国内眼光看那里，挺好的啊，购物中心，学校什么都是新的
他们自己说，只要西面的地没有卖完，pointcook的房子就不会涨的，
太多太多空地了，不断的有新房子盖出来，这就严重压制了2手房的销售量和价格
“3年涨了10多万”
这个牛吹的太大了
过去3年多都是房市低迷，就是去年开始升温了
那也没温到pointcook


不要随便嘲笑人家的英文，这里不是英文考试
鬼老英文就好了，语法错误不是更多，谁在乎了？

甜芒果

申明一下，说pointcook不涨，没有涨，不是歧视西面，
说实话，那里环境不错，人文环境也挺好的，购物中心，学校都是新建的，
街道干净整洁。。。。很多优点

但是周围太多空地被开发出来，新房不断的建，
谁会买2手房，如果自己盖的更便宜，
不缺地的地区是不升值的，道理太简单了，大脚指想想都能明白

baile999

澳洲的房地产是投资的地方，不是投机的地方，房产投资是一个长期行为，用你的大脚趾头想想是赚不到钱的。楼上不相信我的房子升值了不要紧，反正refinance的钱我已经拿到手了，银行相信就行了

lovemylife

mlink3 发表于 2014-3-18 11:54
我是去年两月份卖掉的

卖早了。。。去年8-10月份开始ringwood unit就开始不对了，各种抢

mlink3

baile999 发表于 2014-3-21 22:22
对你的这篇长回复总结如下：

一、你的电脑明明有中文输入法，但是你似乎比较中意卖弄你的英文，可惜，好 ...

1. i can type chinese. yes. but it will take extremely long time for me to type that long article. If there is any grammar issue, sorry, i typed quickly and that was how i would orally say it, cause i was at work. I am at work now in fact..
2. no. I have never touched this project. I was in uni when they trying to promote this project. And i told my parents not to buy at the time and they didnt. And i was right.
3. A few friends of mine were in the point cook project when they started. So i knew the whole story. And I also know there were lots of businesses there and facilities there and lots of other culture diversities there too.

So none of your points said were of any meaning too. Don't guess based on nothing.

baile999

mlink3 发表于 2014-3-24 11:39
1. i can type chinese. yes. but it will take extremely long time for me to type that long article. ...

so do you. don't guess anything base on nothing

mlink3

Thanks 甜芒果.
Also to be fair, i have done some research recently on the Point Cook property market. Strangely, whilst most of other suburbs in Melbourne were experiencing some significant down time from 2011 to 2013. Prices in Point cook has never been weaken and continued rising during that period and it is still going up. I dont think it would rise too much any more. I would say it would be smart to sell PC properties now to realize the profit.

mlink3

baile999 发表于 2014-3-24 11:46
so do you. don't guess anything base on nothing

what was my guess?

mlink3

PC 的人一来， 这个贴就死了？

樱桃D琳

epping 绝对不要吧，房价几乎没怎么涨。区的治安也很乱

snow51193

或者在Surrey Hill, Mont Albert, Balwyn 挍区內买个2房unit。有時觉得那些远一点的区現在是被人炒高了，利息一加前景怎样还是个问号？我也不会搞什么开發。但那些传统中产区毕竟位置好声誉好，雖然沒地但升值比较穩，出租也不用担心。大家怎么看？

mlink3

snow51193 发表于 2014-3-25 12:49
或者在Surrey Hill, Mont Albert, Balwyn 挍区內买个2房unit。有時觉得那些远一点的区現在是被人炒高了，利 ...

mlink3

snow51193 发表于 2014-3-25 12:49
或者在Surrey Hill, Mont Albert, Balwyn 挍区內买个2房unit。有時觉得那些远一点的区現在是被人炒高了，利 ...

投资的话， 这个思路是对的， 自住的话， 可以有很多选择。 depends on your preferred life style.

重剑无锋

为什么通篇没人提北区？
Preston可以看一下,500K搞个破烂HOUSE应该有戏，搞UNIT肯定有戏，或者搞新的TOWNHOUSE
生活好便利啊。

重剑无锋

mlink3 发表于 2014-3-21 12:17
You know the sad thing about life is that when a lie has been told again and again and again, it w ...

Mlink3好像很专业，
有没有关于墨尔本北区的分析？