私校这是肿么了？ MLC陷混乱， ３０教工辞职， 学生发起对校长不信任动议

fhjp01

春来草自青 发表于 2015-12-10 16:02
墨尔本的MLC肿么了

好多年前的事情了。据说什么董事不懂事，结果把校长给打掉了
http://www.theage.com.au/victori ... 20120918-26450.html

aus2005

公校，私校都一样。区别是公校家长告了也没用。私校比较是付钱，家长影响力要大许多。老师和家长联系也紧密，发email基本一天就回，公校对久？

rachelwang528

aus2005 发表于 2015-12-10 17:17
公校，私校都一样。区别是公校家长告了也没用。私校比较是付钱，家长影响力要大许多。老师和家长联系也紧密 ...

我曾经两次发email给我女儿的老师，（公校的），都是问问题，两个都是半小时内回的，一次是在晚上，非办公时间。也发过message，即时回复。所以要看学校和个人。

不过私校家长付大价钱期望值高这是必须的。

likejr

rachelwang528 发表于 2015-12-10 17:36
我曾经两次发email给我女儿的老师，（公校的），都是问问题，两个都是半小时内回的，一次是在晚上，非办 ...

你这老师已经非常好了。
我也发过信给老师，办公室，校长，都很快就回，有时还会打电话过来follow up，当然校长的信箱肯定是有人帮他回。
最慢的有次问uniform shop点事，shop的人也不超过1个小时回了。但觉得这是应该的，上班不收发邮件，听电话，上啥班？

zjrlisa

aus2005 发表于 2015-12-10 17:17
公校，私校都一样。区别是公校家长告了也没用。私校比较是付钱，家长影响力要大许多。老师和家长联系也紧密 ...

公校，晚上发email 给老师， 有时当晚就回了，有时第二天回 。作为家长，我很满意。

zjrlisa

chatchat 发表于 2015-12-10 16:00
leadership很重要，最近参加一个他校圣诞音乐会，(精英）同sghs差别巨大

校长很重要。。。 =船长。。。

zzz

maxiaoc 发表于 2015-12-10 11:58
看到了二点稍微有用的：
1.  要涨学费： 2. 好像和它的教会背景，或者价值观有关系。

私校哪有那么大能力。顶多就是老师员工数量多点,孩子管得多点行为约束的紧点罢了。实质上改变不了啥。90%还得看什么样的孩子。孩子喜欢当护士,又不低人一等。护士和护士也有好和差。

Double1881

fuleinist 发表于 2015-12-10 12:15
我就这么跟你说吧，每个私校里的员工内斗绝对都够各拍几部宫心计了。

另外很多问题都是从Head of School开 ...

这就是土豪气质。不过现在都流行这种土豪文化，什么全民老公. 人人都向往那样的生活。

从小学到大学其实真正学习好的发家致富的有几个？大多最后都是帮土豪提鞋，在他们手里打工混口饭吃的。

偶得意地笑

认识一个华人，女儿考上了重点公校女高，结果还是送她去附近的私校了。我表示不太理解

holyshiiiit

while 发表于 2015-12-10 11:55
我听说有的私校，换了校长后，有1/3的老师离职

我亲历的一个学校，换了新校长后，学校副校长级别的一锅端 ...

me too

aprilpoon

给朋友在ＭＬＣ的女儿每周上中文课，她也说这个校长很有问题啊，老师换了一个又一个，她很不喜欢现在的老师。她才７年级，也说不出什么其他了。

这怎么办呢，明年也要面对这个选择了，精英公还是私？

奇思

rachelwang528 发表于 2015-12-10 15:01
啥区别？能详细八一八不？

投入的不一样吧，灯光，音响，节目表，规模，专业音乐家客串演出等等。
虽然嘴上总是吐槽我们每年的两个音乐表演，但看了别的学校还是觉得略自豪。

lljjpp

冬迹之樱 发表于 2015-12-10 13:27
不记得有看过主流媒体对私校的正面报道

me too

lljjpp

likejr 发表于 2015-12-10 14:02
版主说得对啊，报道的都是没个好的，要不就是性侵，要不就是bully。

我家2个孩子都在私校，个人感觉私校的确比公校对学生照顾的周到!

zjrlisa

lljjpp 发表于 2015-12-13 09:48
我家2个孩子都在私校，个人感觉私校的确比公校对学生照顾的周到!

公私校里师生比例的差异是真实存在的，私校老师多， 对学生的照顾自然会多些。

jianwang1970

奇思 发表于 2015-12-11 16:52
投入的不一样吧，灯光，音响，节目表，规模，专业音乐家客串演出等等。
虽然嘴上总是吐槽我们每年的两个 ...

It is indeed a lot investment for those performance. However, in my opinion, they are more marketing activities rather than EDUCATION! Kids go to school to be educated, but not as a part of a marketing campaign. These days, private schools put too much efforts onto the marketing side of their business rather than the core of business, that is EDUCATION.

On the other hand, public system is for PUBLIC, not just you and I, but EVERYONE. we just have to cope with it, and to certain degree, suffer the pain of PUBLIC. Don't you feel upset about the politicians in this country? They all said that they are for PUBLIC.

I asked my kids to go Selective, at least, they can be away from the majority of PUBLIC's problems.

jianwang1970

zjrlisa 发表于 2015-12-13 11:59
公私校里师生比例的差异是真实存在的，私校老师多， 对学生的照顾自然会多些。  ...

Very true! My son's class mates never need to hand in their homework, even in Yr 5 and 6. They do have homework, but it's their choice to do it or not.

I don't think the above case happens at private ... But he goes to public, so I have to persuade him to do the work as much as he can and hand them in. The worst situation was that, even he handed in, the teacher didn't mark them!!!!! What a shame! How frustrated! Therefore, he dislikes the public system ...

奇思

jianwang1970 发表于 2015-12-13 12:05
It is indeed a lot investment for those performance. However, in my opinion, they are more marketi ...

I go to a public school :)
我们学校的音乐演出还真不是为了招更多学生，只是花钱让大家都有机会表演而已，我觉得蛮好的。比起我看到的其他公立精英，我们学校注重音乐这点让我很自豪。

奇思

jianwang1970 发表于 2015-12-13 12:12
Very true! My son's class mates never need to hand in their homework, even in Yr 5 and 6. They do  ...

去精英中学很多时候不能改变这一点。但有时候同学不做老师不批，自己逼自己做的话还是会有好处的。

jianwang1970

奇思 发表于 2015-12-13 14:00
I go to a public school :)
我们学校的音乐演出还真不是为了招更多学生，只是花钱让大家都有机会表演而 ...

when you feel 让我觉得挺好, the marketing works PERFECT!!! I want to address my point again, there is nothing wrong with marketing! we all need it anyhow, anyway. But, we all need to remember that EDUCATION is the core of school.

Performance evening is certainly an important activity of education! By the way, the public school that my son goes has performance evening as well! and as parents of kids, we are all excited! it's so good to watch little kids dancing and singing at the stage ... But is this enough for education? The same school is the school that teacher doesn't mark students' homework ...

I think I didn't use a best example to address the topic of marketing by commenting on performance evening. But, there are many other examples.

For examples, sports, I just use example of basketball. All private schools focus on sports, especially Boy school, because boys like sports. And basketball as a popular sports in boy, is attracting more and more attentions at privates. They have tried very hard to import good players from other schools. Is this called education? Do you feel comfortable to let your son join such team?

By the way, public school is somehow working *hard* on sports as well. Based on my observation, one of the Sydney's top selective boy schools import basketball stars from time to time.

All after all, every school needs an nice image of itself to attract students (or more accurately, parents). But image is just an image, yours and my kids are to be educated by the teachers at school day-by-day, but not the images ...

Sorry about my broken english, but this is much faster than Chinese ...

rachelwang528

jianwang1970 发表于 2015-12-13 14:40
when you feel 让我觉得挺好, the marketing works PERFECT!!! I want to address my point again, there ...

同意你说的有些学校投入过多的精力和金钱在塑造image上，为了竞赛成绩好看import player的做法也不是我赞成的。

但是有一点不敢苟同，音乐和体育我认为都是education的组成部分，而且是重要的组成部分，就像很多学校showcase HSC result 一样，showcase 音乐和体育的成就无可厚非。

马到成功

lljjpp 发表于 2015-12-13 09:48
我家2个孩子都在私校，个人感觉私校的确比公校对学生照顾的周到!

这话有点奇怪啊，如果2个孩子，一个在公，一个在私，有了对比，才能知道私校比公校照顾的周到，

你的2个都在私校，没有对比，没有参照物，是怎么感觉出来的？

jianwang1970

rachelwang528 发表于 2015-12-13 15:00
同意你说的有些学校投入过多的精力和金钱在塑造image上，为了竞赛成绩好看import player的做法也不是我赞 ...

Thanks for your feedback. Yes, you are absolutely right in saying

"showcase 体育和音乐 ..." I agree with you totally. But, the problem is that overly focusing on showcasing has caused more and more damage rather than achievements in education.

The purpose of education, in my opinion, is to encourage kids to DEVELOP mentally and physically, which are both usually inter-connected, through the process of learning and practising.

I still use sports as example, as this is the area i am interested and i have a son that not only is interested but also participate actively. The purpose of sports at school is to encourage, and to certain degree, "force" kids to participate so that talents can be developed from it and all kids, as a whole, can learn something from it. I believe, at the early stage of school in any country including Australia, this was the firm belief of both teachers and students.

However, at mount, the focus has been shifted largely because of the pressure from SHOWCASE. Let's look at some interesting performance from the boys.

The boy selective school's basketball team has beaten China National Youth team once in Sydney. Can you believe it? A selective school team in NSW can beat National team from China?  

Remember the book introduced by Patrick Zhu about "10,000 hours rule"? My questions are

-- are they still students at selective school? how many hours they spend on training? and how many hours they spend on normal student activities, such as STUDY?

I can tell you another shocking fact, that team is NOT GPS champion in the top grade, which means there are better, or in another word, Super stars, still there.

When we enter into this mode of showcase, forgive me to use an example from China to describe it, we are 大跃进。From the result of 大跃进, we already know what is going to happen ...

I feel sorry about those GPS schools, as they are forced by this MARKETING trick to do what we have seen above, otherwise, their rugby team will lose

2:101

in a SIMILAR grade game. I didn't type it wrong, it is 2:101!!! This happened to two of very prestigious boy schools in Sydney.

And please tell me boys from which school feel better? the ones scored 101? or the ones lost with only 2 points? What are they teaching boys here? Do we still call this game? or rather fashion show?

Now, I think the showcase has become a joke.

Yes, indeed, selective are showcasing their HSC, but these are the results from the WHOLE community, not just one or two super stars.

Therefore, I prefer the showcase of whole community rather than the stunning performance from one or two super stars. This is my personal opinion, I know many people rather trust these star performance ...

lily.2011

英文看得太费劲了

jianwang1970

lily.2011 发表于 2015-12-13 16:32
英文看得太费劲了

太抱歉了。中文太慢。还得给全家做晚饭，只能囫囵吞枣了。

lily.2011

jianwang1970 发表于 2015-12-13 16:46
太抱歉了。中文太慢。还得给全家做晚饭，只能囫囵吞枣了。

太辛苦太操心了

golden100

自古以来，臭老九就是最烦人的。很多教师都是垃圾中的垃圾。看看国内,读书时候最差的都在当老师

maxiaoc

有点看不明白，楼上说的showcase是什么意思？是说他们是假赛假演吗？体育音乐不都是先排练/训练，然后表演/比赛吗？有什么不一样吗？
私校的优势是学校重视，运动队多而且种类多，学校规定十年级还是十一年以下学生必须参加运动训练。
几年前去某私校参观，在游泳馆里有家长问你们offer 有什么level训练水平，人家教练十分自豪地告诉:我们这儿从beginner 一直到international level。这难道是showcase，不是实力表现吗？

Gina

rachelwang528 发表于 2015-12-10 17:36
我曾经两次发email给我女儿的老师，（公校的），都是问问题，两个都是半小时内回的，一次是在晚上，非办 ...

从来没有老师的 email. 公校。

Gina

maxiaoc 发表于 2015-12-13 17:03
有点看不明白，楼上说的showcase是什么意思？是说他们是假赛假演吗？体育音乐不都是先排练/训练，然后表演/ ...

Showcasd 就是演出的意思。