昨天看了一个divisional accountant的广告

KKei

Divisional Accountant
Up to 65K package
Career Progression Planned
Financial & Business Accounting Focus
This constantly growing and progressive services business currently has a national footprint and has recently expanded into South East Asia.

With an acquisitive nature and solid cash flow a newly recreated role within their largest division is required to assist the Financial Controller in producing reports for key stakeholders within the business.

This role will see you work closely with the corporate accounting team as well as the Executive Management team.

Responsibilities will include -

• Month End reconciliations and reporting
• Assisting with monthly management reporting
• Assisting with preparation of divisional budgets
• Cashflow forecasting and budgeting for a range of new projects
• Commissions & project reconciliations
• Ad hoc reporting for the business

To be successful in this opportunity you will have 2 to 4 years experience in either a commercial or chartered environment, have well development Excel skills and have commenced CA/ CPA studies. This would be a great first move as you will receive mentoring from a highly experienced CA.

This role with offer development opportunities within an environment that will challenge you and enhance your accounting skills.

进去一看65k pkg. 傻眼了.这钱要招个好点的AA都困难. 在我概念里divisional accountant 起码是这个数的一倍还多.

广告是Brisbane. 薪水真的吓死人. QLD薪水真凶险阿.

catstyle02

真的好低，这个价钱是AA的吧。
65k还要cashflow forecasting & budgeting,真是廉价劳工。

hj1985

When i was an Assistant Divisional Accountant in 2011, my base was $55k

KKei

hj1985 发表于 2014-10-16 10:02
When i was an Assistant Divisional Accountant in 2011, my base was $55k

then it was a total a joke. my understanding divisonal accountant is pretty much a Business Unit Accountant which is equalivent to finance manager of this business unit. Refer to the salary guide of hays/MP/RH, divisonal accountant is around 90k-150k depends on the size of business.

hj1985

KKei 发表于 2014-10-16 09:40
then it was a total a joke. my understanding divisonal accountant is pretty much a Business Unit A ...

Sometimes, same title has different shits in diffrent companies.

amytt

一般公司这种职位和ma/fa差不多，就是70-80 加super

KKei

amytt 发表于 2014-10-16 12:27
一般公司这种职位和ma/fa差不多，就是70-80 加super

重点是广告上的是65k pkg.

amytt

KKei 发表于 2014-10-16 12:57
重点是广告上的是65k pkg.

Yep a bit too low

hj1985

KKei 发表于 2014-10-16 11:57
重点是广告上的是65k pkg.

bloody slave driver...

mimiying

就是这样也会是一堆人申请的。只不过肯定找不到特别好的人而已。本来就是一分钱一分货吗！

uknowoppa82

Maybe its a starter roles of divisional accountant, the job description looks very basic anyway

KKei

uknowoppa82 发表于 2014-10-16 16:46
Maybe its a starter roles of divisional accountant, the job description looks very basic anyway

I dont see it is very basic. A lot of 100k earners are doing what exactly in this job description.

Chole

hj1985 发表于 2014-10-16 10:02
When i was an Assistant Divisional Accountant in 2011, my base was $55k

How about now? ; p

hj1985

Accountant with 72k base

hj1985

KKei 发表于 2014-10-16 16:17
I dont see it is very basic. A lot of 100k earners are doing what exactly in this job description.

Definitely not basic, but don't think it falls into 100k band, 65-70k base would be a starting point. When ads mention "Assisting", it means this role is not leading the charge

fantom

457的节奏

amytt

ls说得对，重点就是这个assist

深蓝泡泡

我觉得65K还行，基本指责还是听人指挥，没有太大难度

如果职责是负责整个division的一切，或者几个entity的reporting / stats / tax那最少要70-80K的

uknowoppa82

hj1985 发表于 2014-10-16 18:30
Definitely not basic, but don't think it falls into 100k band, 65-70k base would be a starting poi ...

exactly, that is why i see its basic lol

hj1985

深蓝泡泡 发表于 2014-10-16 21:17
我觉得65K还行，基本指责还是听人指挥，没有太大难度

如果职责是负责整个division的一切，或者几个entity ...

looks like i am at the lower range

KKei

uknowoppa82 发表于 2014-10-17 08:45
exactly, that is why i see its basic lol

两个assisting看似是lower要求。但是以我个人经验就是忽悠。
1.assisting mgt reporting。这里指的是internal special purpose reporting。这里主要以和internal stakholder沟通为主因为report为他们服务的。基本上这事由mgr来做。你只有做。不可能让你leading除非你是mgr。所以80k也基本只有assist的份。

2.assist divisonal budget。如上。没有leading份,最多是做。

当然以上中型公司为例。小公司什么都得做。在大型公司更没可能了。月底年底调帐,很多时候都不告诉你为什么。只要按照给的journal做就是了。往往这种又是reversal one.

无论哪里,调帐是门大学问。这必须和strategy lv confidential讨论后的产物。这是divisional acct或者reporting mgr的事情。

以前有个笑话。公司聘请fc。一切面试都结束了。最后问了个最简单的prepay问题。一个下意识就按acct principle回答了。结果人家录取了另外个。你猜那个怎么答?what would you like me to do?

在我看来divisional acct就是一个fm。显然这个广告不是来招divisional acct的。

uknowoppa82

hj1985 发表于 2014-10-17 09:17
looks like i am at the lower range

me 2

uknowoppa82

KKei 发表于 2014-10-17 09:59
两个assisting看似是lower要求。但是以我个人经验就是忽悠。
1.assisting mgt reporting。这里指的是inte ...

mm，现在也在找工作吗？你是做那一部分的

fqyyy

KKei 发表于 2014-10-17 09:59
两个assisting看似是lower要求。但是以我个人经验就是忽悠。
1.assisting mgt reporting。这里指的是inte ...

无论哪里,调帐是门大学问。这必须和strategy lv confidential讨论后的产物。这是divisional acct或者reporting mgr的事情。


这句话真是切中要害，AA跟A的区别基本就在这里

KKei

fqyyy 发表于 2014-10-17 10:15
无论哪里,调帐是门大学问。这必须和strategy lv confidential讨论后的产物。这是divisional acct或者repo ...

准确的说。在这块acct基本也都只是做的份。主要看mgr lv想做成什么样。

上市公司高级finance为何薪水高(我指reporting)。就是为了一边调出上下满意(董事会和股民尤其机构投资者。其实他们interest conflict的多),同时瞒山过海混audit。

amytt

uknowoppa82 发表于 2014-10-17 10:00
me 2

Same here, hehe

KKei

uknowoppa82 发表于 2014-10-17 10:06
mm，现在也在找工作吗？你是做那一部分的

应该是gg

group reporting. but being underpaid too.

I can see/deal a lot of shits that normal accountants are not able to or need to. I might properly is in lowest finance band in the corporate entity. i am pretty much a divisional acctnt but corporate is a governance unit instead of a CGU.

uknowoppa82

KKei 发表于 2014-10-17 11:30
应该是gg

group reporting. but being underpaid too.

it seems like most of acct has been underpaid

亚雷特

65k package太坑爹了啊。。去了super60K都不到。

uknowoppa82

KKei 发表于 2014-10-17 11:30
应该是gg

group reporting. but being underpaid too.

hj1985,跟你差不多一样啊，btw