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[自购小窝] 亲爱的猫本足迹TZ.大家来讨论一下NARRE WARRAN 和BERWICK这两个区怎么样 [复制链接]

发表于 2007-10-27 13:04 |显示全部楼层
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这两个区的新房子比率非常高.是两个比较新的开发区.学校和购物也算方便.因为离市区大概35公里的缘故.这里的房价明显便宜的多.地也大.房子也好.
有没有TZ对这块区域发展有了解的啊?
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发表于 2007-10-27 13:09 |显示全部楼层
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我同事自己在berwick盖了房子,说周围环境非常好,有湖有树林,配套设施也比较完善,虽然到city远了一点,坐火车1小时左右,不过她觉得牺牲点时间享受更好的生活环境是值得的

发表于 2007-10-27 13:28 |显示全部楼层
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请问你同事是老外还是国人啊?

退役斑竹

发表于 2007-10-27 14:07 |显示全部楼层
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老外

发表于 2007-10-27 14:43 |显示全部楼层
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难怪

退役斑竹 2007 年度奖章获得者

发表于 2007-10-27 15:08 |显示全部楼层
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BERWICK和NARRE WARRAN在新区里不在一个档次的, 无论从治安, 居住环境, 居住人群来说, 前者都要好很多. 房价也不一样.
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发表于 2007-10-27 15:31 |显示全部楼层
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要不买到那边去住算了.嘿嘿!

退役斑竹

发表于 2007-10-27 15:46 |显示全部楼层
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喜欢berwick。

退役斑竹 2007 年度奖章获得者 2008年度奖章获得者

发表于 2007-10-27 16:48 |显示全部楼层
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整整一年前墨尔本大报《The Age》发表的相关报道,仅供参考:


新开发的居民住宅区新房林立,价格也便宜,但是,地产开发商以利润为中心的“指导思想”造成这些新区的规划建设出现越来越多的问题。

建筑设计规划专家表示,这些新区的房产规划设计廉宜而糟糕,对居住在那里的居民生活造成极大影响,并将无法适应下一代人对生活品质的要求。(Planners and architects say Melbourne's new estates and the houses on them are cheaply and poorly designed. Poor planning, indifferent design and cost-cutting in Melbourne's newest suburbs are condemning residents to a a life of misery,‘failing future generations')

公共交通不便、幼儿园短缺、社区设施匮乏等问题也困扰着这些新建开发区的居民,此外,由于开发商追求利润最大化,房子之间距离太近,也造成噪音、隐私问题。。。。。。



■Houses built too close together, leading to noise and privacy issues.








Narre Warren resident Paul Bradley: "Didn't anyone think what people would want in the future?"






Growing pains leave residents aching for more




October 21, 2006    The Age


http://www.theage.com.au/news/na ... /1160851138137.html



TEN years ago, Paul Bradley and his wife bought their house on the Woodlands Estate at Narre Warren South.

Back then, Mr Bradley could stand on the roof of his house and see nothing but grasslands to the east.

"Now, there are estates as far as the eye can see," he said. "From the roof of my house, you can just see a sea of roofs."



The Bradleys and their five children love their home.

But a shortage of public transport through their suburb and a lack of child care has left them wondering how many fringe suburbs got approved in the first place.

"Didn't anyone think what people would want in the future?" Mr Bradley said.

"Smaller problems are now becoming big problems because nobody planned properly."

Roads around Narre Warren South had not been made wide enough for buses and originally had terrible surfaces.

"The developer wanted the neighbourhood to be cobblestoned avenues, complete with elms," Mr Bradley said. "But they had to rip up all these cobblestones and put down asphalt to let the buses go through."

The child-care shortage in new estates was also disturbing, Mr Bradley said.

Sprawling "McMansions" were a problem in some estates, because houses were too close together.








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退役斑竹 2007 年度奖章获得者 2008年度奖章获得者

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Houses going up at Point Cook, west of the city. Planners and architects say Melbourne's new estates and the houses on them are cheaply and poorly designed.


在墨尔本西部,象Point Cook这些新开放的居民住宅区问题更为突出。



New housing 'failing future generations'

   

October 21, 2006   The Age


POOR planning, indifferent design and cost-cutting in Melbourne's newest suburbs are condemning residents to a a life of misery, Melbourne's top planners and architects say.

Dissatisfied with the design standards of new estates on the city's fringes, the Planning Institute of Australia has, for the third year in a row, refused to award a prize to any such estates.

It concluded that not a single development deserved recognition for good design.

Senior planner and architect Jim Holdsworth, a member of the institute's judging panel for the past three years, said developers were putting profit ahead of quality.

"If this is as good as we can manage, we are not doing well," Mr Holdsworth said before the institute's annual state awards dinner last night.

"You drive around these new suburbs that are springing up overnight, and you just think to yourself, 'Is this the best we can do for future generations?' We are failing them badly."

Mr Holdsworth said poor urban planning in developments from Caroline Springs in the north-west to Narre Warren in the south-east had resulted in:

■Blocks of land up to 1000 square metres, far bigger than residents needed or often wanted.

■Average house sizes of 253 square metres, up from 176 square metres 15 years ago, despite the average household size falling.

■Houses built too close together, leading to noise and privacy issues.

■Too little use of sustainable technology such as solar panels and greywater, and too much reliance on air-conditioning for cooling instead of siting a house properly and building eaves and verandas.

The Bracks Government introduced five-star energy standards in 2003 that require all new homes to have solar hot water or rainwater tanks, and other features. "But the State Government is not driving hard enough," Mr Holdsworth said.

Architects agree with planners that better house designs and estate subdivisions are required.

"The sad aspect of this is the missed opportunity," Victorian Royal Australian Institute of Architect president Philip Goad said.

The Government had to compel developers to provide more street trees, compulsory stormwater collection, and houses that did not need air-conditioning, he said.

The State Government's controversial planning blueprint Melbourne 2030 aims to squeeze 1 million more residents into Melbourne's existing boundaries over the next 25 years. Designed to curb urban sprawl, it does little to improve planning on the fringes, critics say.

The director of Monash University's Centre for Population and Urban Research, Bob Birrell, said a renewed focus on Melbourne's fringe was needed. "The planning intelligentsia don't live in outer suburbia so they don't understand this stuff," Dr Birrell said..

Melbourne developers are not required to spend as much on services on each new block as they are in other Australian cities.

Sydney's Rouse Hill has stormwater forced through reed beds to purify it, all houses have greywater, and all have solar heating. "It's expensive there, but these people can water their gardens throughout summer," Mr Birrell said.

One developer said it was unfair to focus on new suburbs when inner suburbs never had to meet environmental standards.

"The environmental performance of the older, established suburbs is nowhere near what is being achieved (in the outer suburbs)," said Bryce Moore, Victorian head of Delfin Lend Lease.

The State Government defended its work, saying there had been "a quiet revolution" introducing sustainability into planning.


http://www.theage.com.au/news/na ... /1160851138134.html





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退役斑竹

发表于 2007-10-27 16:52 |显示全部楼层
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唉,没办法。之前的新estate, land only cost up to 25%。现在up to 50%。在affordabiliy和利润的夹缝中,开发商们也没有太大选择。

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发表于 2007-10-27 17:59 |显示全部楼层
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看的我头昏脑涨

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原帖由 大洋困兽 于 2007-10-27 16:59 发表
看的我头昏脑涨


Berwick好。

发表于 2007-10-27 19:08 |显示全部楼层
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下周考完试去berwick 踩点, 反正要是离火车站近,去city就做火车好了. 以前在深圳的时候都是公交车上挤一个小时上下班,火车有位置的话,1个小时也能忍受.

发表于 2007-10-27 19:40 |显示全部楼层
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莫大在那边也有校区呢.还有两个TAFE

发表于 2007-10-29 21:34 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 大洋困兽 于 2007-10-27 19:40 发表
莫大在那边也有校区呢.还有两个TAFE

好像离Fountaingate shoppingmall也不远,且有高速在此交汇——感觉那的增值底蕴不薄啊!
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喜欢NARRE WARRAN 的云阳寺

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