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[医药资讯] 很担心下一个新冠变种会有很强的ADE [复制链接]

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南华早报报道说o变种可以逃避疫苗,但t细胞还能够杀死这个变种,但是,
He said the main unanswered questions about Omicron were why it spread so quickly in vaccinated people and recovered patients, and whether antibodies helped the variant to infect.
这不就是ADE么。如果o变种能够造成ADE轻症,那一定会有造成ADE重症的变种出现。如果是这样,打这些疫苗加强针到底好不好?

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/ ... amp;pgtype=homepage

Vaccine T-cells may hold robust defensive line against Omicron variant: study
Researchers in Hong Kong and Australia say T-cell responses induced by vaccines and previous infections might help protect against severe illness
But cases might rise because of Omicron’s ability to evade antibodies

Holly Chik
Published: 6:35pm, 3 Jan, 2022

The highly mutated coronavirus variant Omicron might be able to evade the body’s first line of immune defence but is unlikely to make it through the second – T-cells, according to the results of a computational study.
In a peer-reviewed article published in the journal Viruses on Sunday, researchers in Hong Kong and Australia said T-cell responses induced by vaccines, boosters and previous infections could help protect against severe illness and hospitalisation from Omicron.
But the number of infections might rise because of Omicron’s ability to evade the first line of defence – antibodies, which block infection and prevent transmission.
“Robust T-cell immunity provides hope that, similar to other variants of concern, the level of protection against severe disease would remain high,” said the scientists, from Hong Kong University of Science and Technology and the University of Melbourne.
“If T-cell responses hold up, they are likely to assist in limiting disease severity in infections caused by Omicron that seemingly escapes neutralising antibodies.”

The World Health Organization estimates the Omicron variant has 26 to 32 mutations in the spike protein, the part of the virus that attaches to human cells. That compares with the eight mutations seen in the Delta variant’s spike protein.

Early studies indicate that Omicron’s spike protein mutations help the variant evade virus-fighting antibodies generated by previous infections or vaccines. There is also early evidence the variant has a higher risk of reinfection compared with previous strains.

In the paper published on Sunday, the researchers analysed more than 1,500 fragments of viral proteins recognised by T-cells in vaccinated or previously infected individuals and found that 20 per cent of them showed mutations associated with Omicron.
Study co-author Ahmed Abdul Quadeer said machine learning indicated that more than half of those with Omicron mutations would still be visible to T-cells, further lowering the chance that Omicron would escape their defences.

Quadeer, a HKUST research assistant professor specialising in computational immunology, said the preliminary results were encouraging in that they showed vaccines protected against severe disease.
The results were also consistent with preprint studies that suggested T-cell responses continued to be robust against Omicron.

“Antibody responses are being affected, which is quite clear. But T-cell responses generated upon infection or vaccination are likely to remain robust against Omicron. T-cells can continue their role in preventing severe disease or hospitalisation,” he said.

Virologist Jin Dong-Yan of the University of Hong Kong, who was not involved in the research, said neutralising antibodies generated from vaccines remained the most important defence against Covid-19.

“[Neutralising antibodies are] the major force that protects against infection and severe disease,” Jin said. “The T-cell response might be helpful in relieving symptoms and shortening the duration of the disease. But even if there is a robust T-cell response, it does not mean that it will protect against Omicron very effectively.”
He said the main unanswered questions about Omicron were why it spread so quickly in vaccinated people and recovered patients, and whether antibodies helped the variant to infect.

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发表于 2022-1-4 19:51 |显示全部楼层
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可能好,可能不好,没有到底的答案

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能给个新闻链接吗?

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不懂就问,啥是ADE

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ADE效应一直就是对新冠疫苗的一大质疑,只不过大力推广疫苗政府对此视而不见

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请LZ解释一下什么是ADE?
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发表于 2022-1-4 20:20 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
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失忆空间 发表于 2022-1-4 20:53
不懂就问,啥是ADE

https://www.huanjibio.com/news/shownews.php?id=81

基本就是抗体作为木马介导病毒,引狼入室
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发表于 2022-1-4 20:39 |显示全部楼层
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同问

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没有听过ADE的,多是天天听主流新闻看主流报纸的。 主流媒体很少提ADE, 但这是一个很重要,和大规模接种可能产生的弊端有关的 医学问题,

政客只会2句话,【安全又有效】, 【没打的赶紧打】。

关于安全性,是否包括健康儿童,人人接种 的必要性,可能出现的像抗生素滥用后带来的超级细菌, 全面接种后出现超级病毒, 这些可能的问题视而不见。

言论审查这方面质疑的声音。 以至于很多人没有听说过,疫苗的负面信息。

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6号咨询员 发表于 2022-1-4 20:55
请LZ解释一下什么是ADE?

Australia Delta Endemic ?

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现在不是有数据证明打了2针阿兹利康的人在前几周里是比不打疫苗的人更容易感染奥秘克隆么

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6号咨询员 发表于 2022-1-4 20:55
请LZ解释一下什么是ADE?

抗体依赖增强作用 (Antibody-dependent enhancement)
说明抗体依赖增强作用又称抗体依赖增强感染效应、抗体依赖性增强,是指一些次优的抗体与病毒结合后,不仅不能防止病毒侵入人体细胞,反而会增强病毒感染免疫细胞、促进病毒在体内的复制,恶化疾病的严重度或诱发更严重的额外征候。 维基百科

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righttang 发表于 2022-1-4 21:52
现在不是有数据证明打了2针阿兹利康的人在前几周里是比不打疫苗的人更容易感染奥秘克隆么 ...

能给个新闻链接吗?

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紫萱 发表于 2022-1-4 21:56
能给个新闻链接吗?

我找一下啊,我估计是乱翻视频看到的。当时还惊讶了一下。