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三只龙都听妈妈的话啊,但只能骑一只?

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Season 7, Episode 6, ‘Beyond the Wall’

In a cozy ship’s cabin on Sunday, the two designated world-savers of “Game of Thrones” shared sexy-time gazes and a pledge to fight together for the future of humankind. 在温暖的船舱里,两个注定是人类的大救星含情脉脉的注视对方。

“You have to see it to know,” Daenerys Targaryen told Jon Snow, referring to the zombie apocalypse preparing to descend upon Westeros. “Now I know.”

The thing is, she doesn’t know the half of it. 拉倒吧,DANNY 你压根连一半都不知道。

Sunday’s episode, a mostly thrilling 70 minutes of icy battles and tense confrontations, was largely about the various players learning the scale of their adversaries, whether it was Dany meeting the White Walker army, the Night King beholding the dragons or Sansa finding her sister’s creepy bag o’ faces.

Viewers got an eyeful as well, with a wintry battle of the living and the dead that figures to foreshadow the culminating clashes of the story. Unlike previous White Walker confrontations, this was a true song of ice and fire, complete with frozen wastes, dragon fury, undead hordes, flaming swords and breathtaking outerwear. (I’m no fashion expert but Dany’s winter whites were really something.) DANY 的冬季套装确实看上去很不错

We also saw what the Dragon Queen didn’t: Confirmation of the long-rumored, much-feared Zombie Dragon Scenario. In the episode’s final moments the White Walkers retrieved and reanimated the dragon the Night King brought down with his ice javelin. (The internet says it was Viserion.) This means the forces of annihilation have not only a constantly replenishing army of wights, but also their very own version of the one thing that seemed to tip the scales in favor of Team Breathing.


In other words: It. Is. On.


The episode picked up where we left off last week, with seven heroes and a fungible number of Wildling Redshirts (Redfurs? Wildshirts?) out to bag a wight to show Cersei. I continue to think this was a ridiculous plan — a silly device to set up Sunday’s action and results, and next week’s big meeting in King’s Landing. As some commenters noted last week, what have we seen from Cersei that would suggest she’d ever join her rivals in a fight for the greater good? Perhaps that’s what the pregnancy is for, if it’s legitimate — to give her as well as Jaime a reason to care about the future. But isn’t she more likely to let her enemies fight a two-front war, or perhaps even trick them into doing so, so she can take advantage of their divided resources and attention? 我当然认为七勇士去抓一个活异鬼是个愚蠢的决定,但是除了这七个人,他们到底带了多少红衣野人宋兵甲呢?

You’d think Tyrion, who knows her better than almost anyone, would understand this. But just as implausible, he’s transformed from the cagiest person in this story, outthinking even Varys and Littlefinger back in Season 2, to one given to almost universally terrible decisions.

But whatever odd choices led to the Wight Expedition, I did enjoy it, because it featured some of the show’s most likable characters negotiating the dizzying knot of connections between them, which made for fun conversation.

You had Jon Snow and Beric Dondarrion comprising the formerly dead bloc, while Gendry and the Hound made up the formerly prisoners-of-Beric-and-Thoros one. Gendry thinks his father (Robert) fought alongside Jon’s (Ned, he thinks), only Robert really killed Jon’s father (actually Rhaegar Targaryen). Then you had Jorah, who Ned condemned and whose own dead dad (Jeor, former Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch) is revered by Jon and hated by Tormund (because Jeor battled Wildlings), who adores Brienne, who almost killed the Hound.

“How does she look at you?” the Hound asked him. “Like she wants to carve you up and eat your liver?”

“You do know her!”

“We’ve met.”

(Spinoff idea: Tormund and the Hound get an apartment together.) 看到托梦和猎狗的对话,你不得不想他们其实可以一起做室友呀

But soon it was time for fighting. The first foe was a tremendous zombie bear who dispatched the first of who knows how many luckless, nameless Wildlings. How many good guys are there, exactly? I wondered more than once. The answer seemed to be “enough to kill off some people for drama without losing anyone you know.”

Except Thoros, that is, who got mauled by the bear — maybe lead with the dragonglass weapons next time, guys — and would eventually die. (“I just got bit by a dead bear,” he told Beric. “Funny old life.”) Still, not a bad survival rate overall. I figured Beric and Jorah, at least, would be goners this week, but their inevitable sacrifices apparently come later.


The episode director Alan Taylor is an old “Thrones” hand, overseeing the finales for Seasons 1 and 2, among other early installments. He hasn’t been around for awhile but clearly retained his flair for slick set pieces, like the bear attack and the wight capture, in which Jon dispatched a White Walker and saw his skeleton platoon topple like undead dominoes. It was a kicky sequence that included an important revelation — killing a White Walker also takes out anything he’d resurrected — and conveniently left over a wight for bagging and tagging.


Soon enough the horde was in pursuit, until the shattering ice stopped their progress. (It’s unclear how the wights feel about water, exactly. We all remember them staying shore-bound at Hardhome, but they did do some splashing around there, too.) As Gendry made like Pheidippides — he’s a better runner than rower — the rest claimed a rocky ledge and waited for the battle to proceed, which it eventually did along familiar lines. Zombies staggered then swarmed. Heroes saved one another at the last second — a chilling moment saw the usually fearless Tormund come unglued before the Hound stepped in — and the numbers swelled until Jon staggered around in the sort of woozy, all-is-lost interlude that generally comes right before the big rescue.

But even knowing what was coming — we’d already seen Dany leave Dragonstone over Tyrion’s objections — her arrival packed the pulse-quickening visceral wallop of the best “Thrones” action scenes. The sound design, especially, added power and heft to the scenes of dragon fire pulverizing the ice (symbolism!) and engulfing the army of the dead. And after the Night King revealed himself to be the Uwe Hohn of the Known World 前德国标枪冠军,唯一扔过100米的选手, Viserion’s demise was intense and deeply affecting — his descent as blood streamed like smoke from a downed fighter, his eye extinguishing as he slowly collapsed into the water. (If they happen to add an Emmy next year for “Most emotion inspired by a fictional creature made of lines of code,” that race is already over.)

There has been plenty of speculation about who would ride a dragon in “Game of Thrones.” The answer turned out to be: Nearly everyone except the guy most people expected. As the survivors joined Dany atop Drogon, Jon did his patented “heedless thrashing on the battlefield” move, which eventually landed him first in the freezing water and then abandoned and surrounded. But much as he did as Bran fled the wights last season, Uncle Benjen swooped in with his flaming flail to help Jon escape.

We last saw Benjen in the Season 6 finale, dropping off Bran and Meera near the Wall. “I still fight for the living,” he said then, even though he isn’t among them. You’ll recall that he is Ned’s zombified younger brother, the former Night’s Watch ranger who was left for dead by White Walkers and then restored by forest children via a dragonglass pacemaker.

Good thing for Jon that they did — Benjen’s hero move called back to Beric and Jon’s conversation from earlier, as Beric claimed that the Lord of Light had brought them back for a reason (he wondered if it might be to take out the Night King).

Indeed, while the early going on Sunday at times felt a little baggy with random chitchat (in a good way), the episode was actually pretty tightly stitched together, in terms of foreshadowing that paid off later. There was the bear wight that reminded us, before Viserion, that animals can be resurrected, too. (We’ve previously seen horses.) There was lots of talk about babies — Dany’s supposed inability to have them, after the Drogo reanimation fiasco in Season 1, and Jorah telling Jon to keep the Mormont sword for “your children after you.” By the end Jon and Dany looked pretty ready to give it a shot. (And they’re hitting this aspect so hard lately, I’m starting to wonder if the Dragon Queen might end up pregnant before all is said and done.) 这集讨论了很长一段时间婴儿,说龙母不能再生,但是乔拉对JON 说你可以为了你未来的孩子拿着我老爸的剑,那么看来我们要看龙妈啥时候怀上她大侄子的BABY 了


“Mance Rayder was a great man, a proud man,” Tormund said. “How many of his people died for his pride?”

By episode’s end, Jon, having seen for himself what the Dragon Queen could do, was ready to bend whatever he could to pledge his allegiance. The next question, of course, is how this will go over at Winterfell, which is already a pretty prickly place these days.

The other major subplot on Sunday intensified the ongoing conflict between the Stark girls, and also grounded an episode that was capital-F fantasy north of Wall. (As thrilling as it was, I suspect a bunch of bearded dudes riding a dragon with an ethereal queen is pretty close what your “Thrones”-averse friends think the entire show is.)

The letter Littlefinger left for Arya to find last week had its desired effect, deepening the divide as Arya threatened to sell Sansa out to the weather-vane bannermen. I’m firmly in Sansa’s camp in this spat, and she is correct that for all of the horrors Arya has endured, she can’t grasp the sort of cruelties that have been inflicted upon her older sister.

Sansa was as bemused as most of us would be by Arya’s faces (I think I spotted Walder Frey). At the same time, Arya moved from snide insinuations to openly messing with Sansa, questioning her loyalty, talking about living in other people’s skin and teasing her with Littlefinger’s dagger. It was a tense and somewhat bewildering scene — Arya’s a little nutty these days. But there were also a couple signs of hope for the Starks’ future.

One was that after Littlefinger suggested that Brienne could be an asset in the conflict, Sansa sent her away to King’s Landing instead, as if to remove that piece from Littlefinger’s chess board. The other was that after her “Game of Faces” monologue, Arya handed the dagger over as if to signal that, for now at least, she’s still willing to serve the lady of the house.

The dagger perhaps carried another promise, or at least a potential reason for optimism, related to its previous owner. Because if Three-eyed Bran ever gets around to sorting out the many ways Littlefinger has betrayed the Starks, it could be just the thing to get the sisters more firmly back on the same side again.

A Few Thoughts While We Wait (and Wait) for the Reveal 下面是我们等着揭晓的一些事

• “You don’t look much like him ... your father,” Beric told Jon, delivering the obligatory weekly nod at Jon’s true paternity. Will Bran clue him in before he heals up enough to romance Aunt Dany? Bran may have yet to discover the Targaryen connection himself, I guess — all we’ve seen him learn was that Lyanna was Jon’s mother. 既然贝里克说囧长的不像他爹,那么啥时候变态布兰会告诉囧真相呢,免得他和阿姨滚床单呢?

• Beric and Jon also sorted out the meaning of life during their wintry march, the upshot being that death always wins but the fight is always worth it, especially for those you protect along the way. “You and I won’t find much joy while we’re here, but we can keep others alive,” Beric said, which could hint that despite Jon’s clear hero status, his ending might not be as happy as you’d think. (In case it wasn’t clear, Jon’s response — “I am the shield that guards the realms of men” — comes from the Night’s Watch oath.) 贝里克和囧探讨他们人生的意义时说,你我在这儿最终找不到啥乐子,但我们能让其他人活下去,这看来不是啥好兆头。

• Speaking of ultimate sacrifices, Benjen seemed to make one in order to save Jon. But can you kill a zombie? What is dead may never die, and all that. (Removing the dragonglass from his chest might do it.)

• There could be some big reunions coming in King’s Landing next week. Brienne and Jaime. Cersei and Tyrion. The Hound and the Mountain — could the much-desired Cleganebowl actually happen?

• “We had no time to discuss the possibilities before you ended their possibilities,” Tyrion told Daenerys, referring to the Tarly torching. While he made some decent points about Dany’s occasional impulsivity, his credibility is flagging, she reminded him, and his talk of succession plans brought the chat to a quick end.

• That was a nice moment when Jorah tried to give Thoros a little boost as he circled the drain, reminiscing about the Siege of Pyke. “I thought you were the bravest man I ever saw,” he told him. “Just the drunkest,” Thoros replied.

• As I mentioned earlier, there’s been plenty of talk about who will be the other two dragon riders. While the Night King apparently claimed one of the seats for himself on Sunday, the battle also suggested that pilots weren’t necessarily needed to guide the creatures in the battle (though maybe one would’ve helped Viserion).


• Might Bran have a role to play with zombie Viserion? You’ll recall that the old Three-eyed raven told him he’d never walk again, but he would fly. Could that mean that he could warg into Viserion and turn him against his master? Or does it give more credence to the theory that Bran somehow is or becomes the Night King himself? (Although the “you’ll never walk again” part seems to contradict that possibility.) 关于布兰,他会不会控制冰龙呢?或者他自己变成夜王?

• What does an ice dragon shoot out of its mouth, anyway? 另外,冰龙嘴里会吐出些啥呢?

• Your turn. Did Viserion’s death break your heart? Are you excited or disgusted by the prospect of Jon and Daenerys getting together? What do you want to see in next week’s finale? Please share your thoughts in the comments.

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tianranma 发表于 2017-8-22 20:30
看完第六集,好想把编剧拉出去枪毙一百遍,编得也太离谱了

人物之间对白没有深度, 都是些chit-chat,跟前几季风格不搭。
剧情太直白,为了推进剧情不顾合理性,没有以前水到渠成的感觉。
为了挣钱,等不了原著了,难为这些编剧了,绞尽脑汁赶时间写到这种程度。

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下一集龙母和囧雪会不会滚床单

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CSW + 1 押10分会,哈哈
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下一集感觉阿尔萨斯,哦不,夜王要骑冰霜巨龙手持霜之哀伤屠Castle Black了

这两个编剧确认不是在演魔兽世界么

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蚝姐 发表于 2017-8-23 10:46
是吗?说什么了?牵强吗?

过了一晚我都忘记了
直记得回忆第一季关于arya和ned的情节 解释为什么arya为什么对她三傻这么生气
wiki上都吐槽的不行了,编剧完全没有时间观念,jon一行和异鬼大战不吃不喝等了2天才发生,gemry不停的跑到eatswartch半天,渡鸦飞半个大陆才一天,3条龙不停的飞才半天就能从龙岛飞到北境!

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我都不知道为什么三傻为什么发配高个女走?小手指不是要她留brennie对付arya吗?难道这是arya假扮的?
还有Jon不是应该很多dragon glass吗?为什么都没带去?

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无力吐槽,三傻和二丫的冲突还好理解,布兰的六亲不认却没有铺垫

詹德利根据剧透,是要光宗耀祖的,所以编剧必先跑断其腿。但是这一情节貌似是在向古希腊马拉松起源致敬。
前几季有人评选谁是阴谋家,小指头跟龙妈之手榜上有名。这一季小指头和小恶魔都有些智商不在线,让人着急

等龙妈和囧雪滚床单,还不如预测冰龙嘴里能吐出什么值得期待。终于权力的游戏,被改变成打大boss的游戏。

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这剧要开始蛇尾了。

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哈里路亚 发表于 2017-8-23 16:09
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压十块钱的,会!

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miaowu81 发表于 2017-8-23 18:13
我都不知道为什么三傻为什么发配高个女走?小手指不是要她留brennie对付arya吗?难道这是arya假扮的?
还有 ...

小指头是想让她们内斗,我觉得是三傻识破,特意把美人支开

话说美人去干嘛?会Jaime吗?好激动啊

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蚝姐 发表于 2017-8-23 21:20
小指头是想让她们内斗,我觉得是三傻识破,特意把美人支开

话说美人去干嘛?会Jaime吗?好激动啊  ...

再开盘,高美人会不会在第八季跟詹米成事。看好他们俩

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CSW 发表于 2017-8-23 21:22
再开盘,高美人会不会在第八季跟詹米成事。看好他们俩

再压十块钱
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CSW 发表于 2017-8-23 21:22
再开盘,高美人会不会在第八季跟詹米成事。看好他们俩

他们能活到第八季?我猜jamie要杀掉色后,高美人要杀掉Jamie?

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tianranma 发表于 2017-8-23 21:40
他们能活到第八季?我猜jamie要杀掉色后,高美人要杀掉Jamie?

预言是被她兄弟杀,我怎么觉得是小恶魔呢,不过死于Jaime手更悲剧

美人为什么要杀他?

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蚝姐 发表于 2017-8-23 21:18
压十块钱的,会!

都表白了,明显郎有情妾有义,估计逃不了滚床单啦,再说龙家更古埃及人似的,有自家人和自家人滚床单的传统,姑姑和侄子也没啥了,翻滚吧。

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都表白了,明显郎有情妾有义,估计逃不了滚床单啦,再说龙家更古埃及人似的,有自家人和自家人滚床单的传 ...

庄家开的盘是下一集,在线等挺急的,我压的还挺有风险的呢

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蚝姐 发表于 2017-8-23 21:43
预言是被她兄弟杀,我怎么觉得是小恶魔呢,不过死于Jaime手更悲剧

美人为什么要杀他? ...

美人不是老是honour至上,瞧不上jamie嘛,我猜她到君临要接受考验爱情和honour选一个,如果她发现了jamie对付狼家两姑娘的计划,她要帮谁?估计忍痛割爱,要和jamie打一架。
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蚝姐 发表于 2017-8-23 21:46
庄家开的盘是下一集,在线等挺急的,我压的还挺有风险的呢

此时不滚更待何时?剧情到这里再不滚后面都没法演啦,再说了这两个人在这方面都有经验,用不着磨蹭。剧都这样了,我已经放弃治疗了。

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tianranma 发表于 2017-8-23 21:49
美人不是老是honour至上,瞧不上jamie嘛,我猜她到君临要接受考验爱情和honour选一个,如果她发现了jamie ...

我刚看完第三季,印象深刻,她可是和Jaime惺惺相惜,听完他的故事态度已经改观了,完全就是两个骑士之间的友情

我又想让他们两个在一起,又想让他们一直这样好,不要往前迈

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tianranma 发表于 2017-8-23 21:53
此时不滚更待何时?剧情到这里再不滚后面都没法演啦,再说了这两个人在这方面都有经验,用不着磨蹭。剧都 ...

可他们两个的感情是怎么来的,完全没铺垫啊,什么什么就好了,小手就拉起来

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蚝姐 发表于 2017-8-23 21:55
我刚看完第三季,印象深刻,她可是和Jaime惺惺相惜,听完他的故事态度已经改观了,完全就是两个骑士之间 ...

她原本爱鹿家三公子,后来做梦三公子和Jamie的脸交替出现,所以我说她不自知的单恋jamie,反过来jamie对她无爱可言,看她执着自己的honour,是jamie一生求而不得的东西,jamie所以想成全她,帮她。

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蚝姐 发表于 2017-8-23 21:57
可他们两个的感情是怎么来的,完全没铺垫啊,什么什么就好了,小手就拉起来 ...

我也很懵啊,估计是身上同样流着龙家的乱伦血,互相吸引吧
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啊可是我也很想美人和托梦在一起,哈哈哈哈 人生要有一点乐趣

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别猜啦,剧透都透光了
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最后谁也没捞着

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Missy 发表于 2017-8-23 22:09
啊可是我也很想美人和托梦在一起,哈哈哈哈 人生要有一点乐趣

难得有人真心喜欢美人

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3. 龙是一种具有高等智慧的生物,能够根据主人的意志判定自己的敌人和朋友。每条龙在一个阶段只认一个主人,只有当原主人死去,才会再认一个新主人。没有任何一个人能同时驾驭两条龙;


所以那条被夜王收了的蓝龙雷加,应该有一定机会不会听夜王的话。根据网上分析会认囧雪为主人

只有具有古瓦雷利亚血统的人才能够驾驭龙,目前在维斯特洛,只有拥有坦格利安家族或瓦列利安家族血统的人才有可能驯服龙。


夜王是什么血统来着?龙妈收服的是黑龙卓戈,剩下那条就是小恶魔收服了。小恶魔有在山洞里跟龙互动的情节


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