有感于足迹论坛的种族主义文化.邀请 Astina 加入讨论

lycans

原帖由 xsjrr 于 2010-4-12 15:12 发表
lz,  如果用中文来和大家探讨，估计会更方便些

可能是为了方便她中东丈夫的参与。

拙泥

原帖由 lycans 于 2010-4-11 20:56 发表


If it‘s popular, that means it's alrealy been ACCEPTED by the majority.

Nice pick-up!:)  I should have said "it is not justifiable", or "unacceptable to whose who have clear conscience."

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魔头

这是什么英语

10xFaster

如果中文不比英文差，还是写中文吧。

lycans

原帖由 拙泥 于 2010-4-12 21:51 发表


Nice pick-up!:)  I should have said "it is not justifiable", or "acceptable to whose who have clear conscience."

hehe，
Discrimination exists not only in Australia but also the rest of the world. As a matter of fact, discrimination is part of human nature. Being a minority in Australia, Chinese are more likely to be the victims of discrimination instead of the offenders. So, I don't see your point to single out Chinese community and label Chinese as the worst.  If you really want to fight against discrimination, it makes more sense to raise your voice to the so called "mainstream society" then lecture us in this small Chinese forum.

10xFaster

讲得好！（不是说英语，重要的是内容）

pink_maomao

بينالي الشارقة في ما نتحدث آه يا رفاق؟ كنت ذاهبا للصق الحقوق

10xFaster

原帖由 sbyj 于 2010-4-12 22:09 发表

就别胡说八道了,讲了半天,不就是种族歧视也没啥吗,亏你还在这生活了这么久,好的没学到,坏的样样精.

请君去看前几页里的帖子，找到有三张漫画的附件照片的那贴看。

roo81

原帖由 pink_maomao 于 2010-4-12 22:10 发表
بينالي الشارقة في ما نتحدث آه يا ر&#16 ...

偶的IE还真的支持这个字符集

floraz

看到这里
LZ我觉得你有些自相矛盾甚至可笑了
一方面高呼反对种族歧视，并要求别人接受你的背景，尊重你的文化
一方面自己都完全deny了自己，跟同胞连母语都不肯讲（除非你告诉我你是English native speaker, which with respect i can't see）

如果这么希望自己的文化背景被尊重，起码自己先去尊重
这里哪个人看不懂中文，为什么一定要用英文呢？

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roo81

原帖由 pink_maomao 于 2010-4-12 22:10 发表
بينالي الشارقة في ما نتحدث آه يا ر&#16 ...

你是说不知所云吗？

卡落琳0000

还没学会歧视的人(paopaobing(51))

拙泥

原帖由 jasonliu234 于 2010-4-11 19:06 发表
有些人，一受到冷遇，就上升到种族歧视

有些人，只是接触了不同的观点，就上升到文化，还上升到整个论坛的文化。


---------- 别太把自己当回事。

The term 'culture' may have more profound meaings to you. My simple understanding is this: If a substantial proportion of a population hold the same attitude or belief (e.g. the frequent racist comments appear in "Our Steps") and the majority regard this belief acceptable, I refer this attitude or belief as 'culture'. However I do not think the terminology matters much.

Also the verbal abuse I received from the strangers was obviously related to my Asian background, and I cannot think of any other reasons. I understand that you do not care my bad experience, but I do care about people who have similar experience (and who sufferred far more seriously because of this 'culture'). Fundamentally, this idea of prejudice against other people just does not appear to be justifiable to me.

I do not accept your accusation of "self-importance". I am simply following my heart and speak up.

拙泥

原帖由 jasonliu234 于 2010-4-12 07:40 发表


的确是这样的

歧视 又如何呢？ 都是在歧视别人 和 被别人歧视

别人的缺点，也是引以为鉴的警钟

受到歧视，应该如何?

自强。

口头要来的 只能是怜悯。

所以讨论这，没啥意义

有空去想想 怎么 ...

May I ask you a question- If someone respects you only when you are powerful, is it your power that he/she respect or  is it you as a humanbeing?

Fundamentally, I belive it is  'humanity'  which we all share should be respected.

魔头

Fundamentally

拙泥

原帖由 oknaomi 于 2010-4-12 10:01 发表
为什么对于鬼佬你就觉得“孺子不可教”，但在这里偏偏又要这样呢？
是不是对于鬼佬你就“如果他打了你的左脸，你要把右脸都伸过去给他”但对自己人却突然“雄赳赳，气昂昂”呢？
我的观点就是，为什么不一视同仁呢 ...

The reason why I did not try to discuss this issue with that group of strengers but am raising it here is that I knew it is impossible to share my undersandings with them and I trust that "Our Step" would provide us the platform for sensible discussions.

I admit that my atttude is tough, but this tough attitude is towards this narrow-minded thought- no matter who is holding it.

PACIFIC

原帖由 拙泥 于 2010-4-12 22:51 发表


The reason why I did not try to discuss this issue with that group of strengers but am raising it here is that I knew it is impossible to share my undersandings with them and I trust that "Our Ste ...

你别说那么多了，你就申明一下你老公不是外族人，你说的话我全信。

oknaomi

真係人都顛，費Q事同妳係度9呃，得閒嚟重慶大廈請妳食咖喱
btw 我擺明歧視妳實唔識睇我呢d火星文啦

西关少爷

原帖由 oknaomi 于 2010-4-12 23:06 发表
真係人都顛，費Q事同妳係度9呃，得閒嚟重慶大廈請妳食咖喱
btw 我擺明歧視妳實唔識睇我呢d火星文啦

广东话我不是很会听啦，我猜想你是说调理劳务是吧？

degra

原帖由 西关少爷 于 2010-4-12 23:16 发表

广东话我不是很会听啦，我猜想你是说调理劳务是吧？

又是中国沿海有名大学的

oknaomi

我邊有咁粗魯啊

西关少爷

原帖由 oknaomi 于 2010-4-12 23:18 发表
我邊有咁粗魯啊

买房子的马甲？？

拙泥

I have to put this to an end and move on now.  A big 'thank you' to you all who participate the discussion, especially to whose who contributed their opinions with a respectable and sincere manner.

To whose who wanted me to shut up- You are now spared from your mind being stirred

To whose who suffered from my grammar and spelling mistakes- thanks for your patience . I belive it is quite unrelated to our topic here, but thought my explanation might help to reduce misunderstandings. The reason why I use English? (1) I do wish to practice a bit (monkey13)  (2) My Chinese typing speed is..

To Astina- Sorry to mention your name again in a discussion that does not interest you. Your choice to stay silent is understood as a indication of your attitude about this issue (if you've seen the discussions above). I understand that it was an unpleasant question to answer and the choice between 'staying popular' and 'doing the right thing' is often tough.

Thanks to you all again.

灰太郎

看到这儿，本来就英语不咋地的我就更迷茫了
:si16 :si16

elapsing

原帖由 拙泥 于 2010-4-12 23:31 发表
I have to put this to an end and move on now.  A big 'thank you' to you all who participate the discussion, especially to whose who contributed their opinions with a respectable and sincere manner.

...

嘿嘿，楼主还是明智的，在一群这样的人的论坛上“做正确的事”？

oknaomi

因為我火都嚟埋

PACIFIC

原帖由 拙泥 于 2010-4-12 23:31 发表
I have to put this to an end and move on now.  A big 'thank you' to you all who participate the discussion, especially to whose who contributed their opinions with a respectable and sincere manner.

...

走好不送。

友情提醒，以后如果有机会去玩卡丁车的话，千万不要带着头巾。

PACIFIC

LZ的英文，尤其是 Whose 用的出神入化，让我不由得景仰万分，同时想起了一句著名的话：Blue who say and the whose.

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icecreamXP

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

bigwood

原帖由 拙泥 于 2010-4-12 22:38 发表

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May I ask you a question- If someone respects you only when you are powerful, is it your power that he/she respect or  is it you as a humanbeing?

Fundamentally, I belive it is  'humanity'  w ...

关于是尊重衣冠还是尊重本人的论断，菜根谈里讲的很明白了，中国的传统文化讲求调节自己的心态来适应环境
楼主应该多读点中国传统的东西,很多你的疑问都能解决