Drafter的工作

吹口哨的猫

zsygirl

不就画个图而已，纯体力活。心气都那么高呢？
实在受不了学建筑的。老是说什么国内学建筑毕业的混3，4年就能拿30万人民币。
拿您就早点回国吧，
何必在澳洲拿3万一年。很多澳洲刚毕业的大学生想来白干拿经验的都在排队呢。

福坑儿

alan2002

lead drafter, deigner, discipline leader, these three composite the core of one project.
Discipline leader = very experienced engineer /charted, need responsibilities

Designer = very good experience, they usually very NIU, very good software skills, need a lot of communication, understanding the Standard and requirement very well. and all the people ask them for information. they usually can work as much hours as they want...and usually have a bed temper.
(one project, request us usually work not more than 45 hours/week, but my lead desiger told me bugger of just work as you like, if you work untill mid night, take a Taxi back home, very giant NIU)

Lead Drafter = very good payment, 10 year experience payment high than engineer with 10 year experience. (engineer over 10 year experience usulaly high payment), usually work as contractor.
they usually can work as much hours as they want...and usually have a GOOD temper. very productive.

but as engineer get more years experience, they usually earn more, but more pressure.

上书房行走

alan2002

Lead Drafter usually know what drawings need to be produced, and set up the drawing standard, and organise resources.

payment $75+/hour as a contractor is normal.

righttang

drafter是挺赚钱的。。。。不过经验也是靠积累的。

alan2002

Principle engineer: usually no overtime, but annual package is high.
Designer and drafter: pay as hours you work, no double.
Cadet?: maybe double or 1.5 times for overtime.

2 weeks ago received phone call from my manger, he is thinking that I should be paid as 2 times for overtime, because I have no job title (as when I join the company, they hire me as an engineer but working as drafter, and after 1 year they want me back to be engineer, but I insisted to learn to be a designer).

I was out of joy but after they talk with HR and found out my payment as an engineer, could not be paid for double overtimeI was very disappoint.

alan2002

designer usually have at least qualification.
engineer have at least bachlor degree.
so how about a designer with a bachlor degree, sometimes they called themself  12D/Revit/MX Designer Engineer.
A good designer is a treasure of a comany, they can work as somewhat as engineer / designer /and drafter. So they are very very easy to find a job.

FORGIVE MY BAD ENGLISH, AS I AM A DESIGNER ONLY AND DO NOT NEED WRITE REPORTS.

上书房行走

no double payment in my new contract.. it says the payment is fixed...

alan2002

Principle engineer: usually no overtime, but annual package is high.
Designer and drafter: pay as hours you work, no double.
Cadet?: maybe double or 1.5 times for overtime.

2 weeks ago received phone call from my manger, he is thinking that I should be paid as 2 times for overtime, because I have no job title (as when I join the company, they hire me as an engineer but working as drafter, and after 1 year they want me back to be engineer, but I insisted to learn to be a designer).

I was out of joy but after they talk with HR and found out my payment as an engineer, could not be paid for double overtimeI was very disappoint.

alan2002

g2000

原帖由 benlomond 于 2011-8-7 21:35 发表
有啥区别？不就是画么，又不要他设计。

huge difference~~

drafter is not just 画, must have related knowledge~~~

g2000

lz is not architect

Murphy

lz的水平不错，我看了，想让帮忙。可惜就是在Vic而我们在NSW。我老板没有同意……

alan2002

designer or drafter is a relative smaller group, all good ones just changed around the few top consulant company.
they all new each other very well, so the CAD manager has almost the 100% power to recruit and make offer.
my superior worked in UK as a drafter in 1997 for two years, and find the designer use one software and they do not give him a chance to learn, he back to NZ 2 years later and join the current company, spent the following 5 years in NZ and Australia travell for big projects, following an experience designer A.
he is so keen for this software and work for this software company for 3 years as technical support and training.
he still keeping in touch with the manger in current company, and the manger invite him to come back for many times, untill give him a very good offer.
how good offer? he told me his payment is so high and UK and US all can not provide, I assume must be 180+ and not include overtime.

TO prove this, here is a story:
one day we talk about something about admi for reimbursment cost him 2 hours to fix, make joke that $200 is not worth for him to deal with, as his 2 hour pay more than that, he is very serious said " actually it is more than my payment AFTER TAX".
somethimes he work a few more hours at home and also get paid.

One structure drafter I work with earn $85, 45hours/week at least, 32 years old, not major leader.

but it can not compare to others, like Doctor, Wall street, IT, ..,
these kind of job just above the whole average and better than common professonal or technician.

jhua4597

Draftsman三万的有，五万的也有，八万的也有，十几万的也有，看经验和能力。
你牛的话，就是理发师都能收2000美刀剪一个头，便宜的就收18RMB剪一个。

Hays annual salary report不就有draftsman的工资供参考吗？

alan2002

just like the IT programmer, a no experience draftsman worth nothing, what they have done you maybe need redo it rather than try to fix it.

jhua4597

“One structure drafter I work with earn $85, 45hours/week at least, 32 years old, not major leader.”

Contractor or permanent?

alan2002

work for the same company, has been contractor for 5 years more.

alan2002

average Dentist>average drafter>average 理发师
Draftsman三万 is really just after high school, and not even a little experience.
"都能收2000美刀剪一个头" is not make any sense, agree??

"Hays annual salary report不就有draftsman的工资供参考吗？"
that is not really reflect the reality.
draftsman contrator earn more, and no body want to hire draftsman as contractor with less than 5 years experience.

tamborine

我在国内是学EE的，在这边学的是非工程diploma。现在想转回工程，想在这边做electrical drafter，我也在自学CAD，但是没有相关工作经历。投了不少cadet/junior的工作都被拒，怎么样才能入得了这个行呢？去学个tafe的cad课程会对找工作有帮助吗？

alan2002

cadet/junior do not need 相关工作经历.
our cadet is introduce by his classmate in TAFE.
diploma of civil engineering is a good choice.

tamborine

谢谢啊。那没有上tafe的相关课程是不是就不容易找到drafter的工作呢？因为还没拿到pr（还要等大半年），再读tafe实在有点承受不起。

alan2002

another cadet is our manager relative, he join just graducated from High school.
another cadet also join jsut graducated from High school without friends introduction at all, he said our company did presention to his high school at that time, and need cadet, and he apply, start to work, compay pay his study at TAFE...

the best way is through friends ..

tamborine

明白了……
请问公司怎么招cadet呢，会贴广告吗，还是就让内部推荐？

alan2002

I guess they usually publish on TAFE, company website...,
TAFE more reliable..., but you need a little bit outstanding..
or ususally, when at Pub or compay Friday drink, your friend will ask manager, "do we have any plan for cadet", if have, just send CV to manager, manager usually will arrange to HR.
but cadet usualy pay very low, but they usually pay your study leave and fees at TAFE.

that is all my guess.

benlomond

有理有理！

yanmin2k

原帖由 zsygirl 于 2011-8-9 23:21 发表
20年前的drafter都不会用CAD,全靠手画。现在更本找不到工作。

如果不学习，当然找不到工作。
drafter 分行业，土建和采矿工资高，制造业比较低。

alan2002

老外可不象你想的那样，一个12d师付大约近50岁人，看我爱学习非要我转过来跟他，别的不说,我们的图纸，模型，转换记录，等等，他设计的用excel把这几个软件（不只是文件，是软件）连在一起，他长年给12d做测试，他出的标准手册，别人说所有大公司都拿来做基准，他的email signature：１2d Pro
我是看出来了，年龄真不是决定困素！
另外一小孩，22岁，兄用autocad,在，airpot link, 年10万，被
还是要技术，不只软件，还要标准，流程，teamwork..