学校给看的英文书。

hsy12

网上查了一下：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Outsiders_(novel)
是一本有争议的书。

Controversy

The Outsiders was a controversial book at the time of its publication and is still a frequently challenged book nowadays. It was ranked #38 on the American Library Association’s Top 100 Most Frequently Challenged Books of 1990–1999.[3] This book has been banned from some schools and libraries because of the portrayal of gang violence, underage smoking and drinking, as well as strong language/slang and family dysfunction.[4] However, in many schools today, the book is part of the curriculum for middle school and/or high school.

hu017

hsy12 发表于 2015-4-25 08:26
你儿子对Romeo and Juliet什么看法？

说已经忘了,只说英文基础不太好的有点难.

hu017

儿子读过的有:
1948                               George Orwell
Animal Farm                 George Orwell
The Quiet American    Graham Greene
Brave New World         Aldous Huxley
Frankenstein                Mary Shelley
Ransom                        David Malouf

junejunyan

Mark

hsy12

hu017 发表于 2015-4-25 12:43
说已经忘了,只说英文基础不太好的有点难.

谢谢分享。我儿子的<Romeo and Juliet>是一页原著和一页简易版。
说实话，我不知道这个杀人与自杀的故事为什么会流芳百世，也许那时候人的命不值钱。

Hsc

hsy12 发表于 2015-4-25 22:19
谢谢分享。我儿子的是一页原著和一页简易版。
说实话，我不知道这个杀人与自杀的故事为什么会流芳百世， ...

Shakespeare 是英国文学作品中的必读啊。读他的作品不能只看劇情（別忘了他㝍的大部分是劇本，不是小说），更重要是他的文彩！Romeo and Juliet 是他作品中比较简单直接的一部，而且因为是爱情为主题，比较对年轻人口味，因此很多中学都是以R and J 作为入门的。读Hamlet、King Lear、 Othello等歷史人物劇作便能看出工力了。但对Y11以前的中学生，太難了。

猪小妹

Hsc 发表于 2015-4-25 23:00
Shakespeare 是英国文学作品中的必读啊。读他的作品不能只看劇情（別忘了他㝍的大部分是劇本，不是小说） ...

我家大宝也在读R and J，逐句逐段的分析，跟我们当年研究孔乙己的茴香豆阵法有得比 。

hsy12

Hsc 发表于 2015-4-25 23:00
Shakespeare 是英国文学作品中的必读啊。读他的作品不能只看劇情（別忘了他㝍的大部分是劇本，不是小说） ...

感谢分享。目前我只看了<Romeo and Juliet>，会看看他其他的作品。

似乎爱情故事只有以悲剧收场才能成为经典，<Romeo and Juliet>这个故事里男女主人公的死有一种被“制造”出来的感觉。
另外，如果Romeo杀Tybalt是无意的，那他杀Paris就有点shocking了。我对这本书的评价还算温和“too childish.”更有人说“All the characters act like idiots“。。。我一开头就不喜欢Romeo这个人物，像个crybaby。

至于文笔，不记得有让我印象很深刻的句子，也许有一些表达爱慕之情的对话还不错。

Pipiv

hsy12 发表于 2015-4-25 08:25
感谢分享，我也是有疑问才来问各位家长及孩子们的看法。

这本书写的是两群孩子，抽烟酗酒打劫斗殴，其中 ...

怎么跟你解释呢, 这书我实在觉得是非常精彩啊, 首先, 它是一个写得很好听的故事, 连我这个跟六十年代的 Oklahoma 小镇帮派孩子毫无共鸣的人都一气看完, 被深深地打动,  爱和忠诚的感染力量超越民族和时代, 凡是动人的书, 必定有爱,

初读此书, 我也不能相信这样的书是出自一个16岁少女之手, 她对于帮派生活老道的描写, 让人疑心书是出自资深帮派成员之手, 她的名字叫做Susan, 出版商说, 这书, 不适合用这样的名字来出版, 人们也不会相信这书是一个16岁少女写的, 就用你的 initials 来出版吧, 因此此书的作者名一直是 S. E Hinton 而不是Susan Eloise Hinton, 书出版后的人们的一些反应, 证明了出版商是英明的.


善意提醒, 下面剧透, 不喜剧透人们莫看,
















Ponyboy Curtis 的生活很不容易, 他的父母都不在了, 他的兄长 Daryl 对他很严格, 和他很亲密的兄弟 Soda 成绩不好, 早早退学了, 他们住的小镇, 地域以帮派和阶级划分,  Ponyboy 和他的兄弟和伙伴们属于阶级地位低下的“greaser” , 而镇的西面, 则住着富裕阶级帮派 “Socs”

虽然他们是“greaser”, 但是他们决不只是一群帮派teenagers, 他们之间有着深刻的爱和友谊, 他们互相帮助, 在一个重视外貌和金钱的世界里, 拥有着一份义气和友情.

有一次, 一位叫Cherry 的“Socs” 女孩偶然之间跟他们交了朋友, 不料这却给Ponyboy带来了莫大的灾难,  因为“greaser”是不配跟富裕的 “Socs” 的女孩交朋友的, Cherry 的男朋友Bob 带了“Socs” 前来寻仇, 想把Ponyboy在喷泉里淹死, Ponyboy平时胆小的朋友Johnny 在关键时刻, 为了救他, 用弹簧刀杀死了Bob.

Ponyboy 和Johnny 逃到一家废弃的教堂, 在那里, Ponyboy和Johnny 有了更加深入的互相了解, 两个都有着文青气质的人, 第一天就在买生活必需品时买了"gone with the wind", 用书本打发时光, Ponyboy开始发现Johnny 不是象他们老师以为的那样是个愚笨的人, 他对很多事情的看法有着他自己的深度, Johnny向往着书中南方的绅士, 并在现在生活中找到了他们的影子, 那就是他们帮派中的Dally, 是个为朋友肯两肋插刀的人,  他们甚至有一次讨论到Robert Frost 的诗,

Nature's first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold,
......

是Ponyboy本来理解不了的一手诗, 现在却有新的领悟, nothing gold can stay, 最美好的东西都是转瞬即逝的, 正如日出日落时的彩霞.

在一次, 他们外出的时候, 一帮小孩进到教堂玩耍, 教堂着火了, 小孩们被困在其中,  Johnny 和 Ponyboy 勇敢地冲进去救出了孩子们, 自己却受了伤, Ponyboy 受的是轻伤, 可是, Johnny的伤却是致命的, 在临死前, Johnny给Ponyboy 留言, 让他 stay gold.


学校喜欢选这书, 很可以理解, 符合西方价值观, 人人生而不同却又生而平等, 文青主人公有一次问同情“greaser”的高富美Socs 女孩Cherry,  “Can you see the sunset real good on the West side? You can see it on the East side too.”  东边西边, 日出日落同样美丽. "Even though we're Greasers and they're Socs, I guess in the end, we all look at the same sunset."


这里的学校选的书, 大多为养成符合西方文化的正确三观为主, 总的来说觉得都还挺好, 以一本小学课本Wonder 举例, 讲一个生下来就因遗传病而面目吓人的男孩, 如何勇敢地面对学校, 收获友谊的故事, 而其他的孩子们在和他相处的过程 , 也学习到了善良和勇气, When given the choice between being right or being kind, choose kind. —Dr. Wayne W. Dyer

最后的校长致辞非常感人他跟大家分享了两本书里打动他的话,  J. M. Barrie 的书 Little White Bird 里的一句话,  ‘Shall we make a new rule of life … always to try to be a little kinder than is necessary?’ ”  “What a marvelous line, isn’t it? Kinder than is necessary. Because it’s not enough to be kind. "

另外一句话,   Christopher Nolan的 In Under the Eye of the Clock书里, 主人公Joseph在困难时 , 班上的一个孩子帮了他一个小忙, 很小的一件事, 但是对主人公Joseph而言, 他的感受是这样的,  ‘It was at moments such as these that Joseph recognized the face of God in human form. It glimmered in their kindness to him, it glowed in their keenness, it hinted in their caring, indeed it caressed in their gaze.’ ” Joseph 在那个孩子的脸上, 看见了上帝, 他是他同学形状的神,发散这善意的光芒, 校长意在告诉孩子们, Kindness. Friendship. Character. These are the qualities that define us as human beings, and propel us, on occasion, to greatness, 勿以善小而不为, 你的一点善意, 可能改变他人的人生.

hsy12

Pipiv 发表于 2015-4-26 20:29
怎么跟你解释呢, 这书我实在觉得是非常精彩啊, 首先, 它是一个写得很好听的故事, 连我这个跟六十年代的 O ...

谢谢，其实不用解释啦，我也赞同这本书出自一位少女不同凡响。

有一位十几岁女读者开始读这本书是她的姑妈介绍给她，而且是陪她看完的，因为她害怕自已一个人看。她很感谢她的姑妈，她很喜欢这本书。我看这本书的同感的是，怎么会走在路上就莫名其妙被暴打，需要身上带刀才安全。

正如我在wikipedia里看到的，这本书曾经在中学学校及图书馆被禁。这是一本美国top100里排38名的最具争议的书，现在也仍然被challenged。

所以我们看法不同那太正常不过了。

hsy12

Pipiv 发表于 2015-4-26 20:29
怎么跟你解释呢, 这书我实在觉得是非常精彩啊, 首先, 它是一个写得很好听的故事, 连我这个跟六十年代的 O ...

你举的wonder这本书有点像so much to tell you。

Pipiv

hsy12 发表于 2015-4-27 07:15
谢谢，其实不用解释啦，我也赞同这本书出自一位少女不同凡响。

有一位十几岁女读者开始读这本书是她的姑 ...

无意改变你的看法，你不是问其他家长对这里选的书的看法吗，只想告诉你也有不少其他家长赞赏学校选的这些书，并且也想其他看到帖的听到另外的声音

Pipiv

hsy12 发表于 2015-4-27 08:07
你举的wonder这本书有点像so much to tell you。

确实如此，写 so much to tell you 的作者写了很多好书，都很好看

Pipiv

其实有些争议的书做精读不错的，有老师指导，有疑问也可大家讨论

hsy12

Pipiv 发表于 2015-4-27 08:52
其实有些争议的书做精读不错的，有老师指导，有疑问也可大家讨论

嗯，也许吧。
我也问过我儿子，他说他很喜欢这本书，说写得很好，是个很完整的故事（the end is where we start from），故事的开头虽然不完美，但最终还是走向了正确的方向。

我正在选一些我儿子学校读的书给我在国内的外甥看，可能会比较慎重吧。

爱大叔

留用。

Hsc

hsy12 发表于 2015-4-25 23:46
感谢分享。目前我只看了，会看看他其他的作品。

似乎爱情故事只有以悲剧收场才能成为经典，这个故事里男 ...

谢谢加分。当年我读的是Macbeth，所以对Romeo and Juliet了解不多，不过我记得我在其他学校的朋友有蛮多是读后者的。

关于有爭义性的書，我觉得其实那个年代都有，我们父母的年代有Lord of the Flies, The Catcher in the Rye,后来有 A Clockwork Orange，现在有你说的那些。这些書在你眼中可能是“不乖不正面”的書，可后来都会成英国文学20世纪的现代经典。

hsy12

Hsc 发表于 2015-4-27 13:47
谢谢加分。当年我读的是Macbeth，所以对Romeo and Juliet了解不多，不过我记得我在其他学校的朋友有蛮多 ...

谢谢分享。可惜我没看过Macbeth，你对Macbeth评价如何？稍微查了一下，貌似是莎翁写的最黑暗的悲剧作品。

Romeo and Juliet有一点点类似《梁祝》吧，“以身殉情”在早一些的年代可能是褒义词而且得到宣扬，随着时间的推移，时代的进步，父母也变得越来越开明了，现在大多数的人对这种行为的评价也慢慢只剩下一个字了 - 傻。如果Romeo和Juliet因为爱情而自杀得到人们的同情，那Romeo杀的两个人是否更值得同情呢，呵呵。

Hsc

hsy12 发表于 2015-4-27 14:04
谢谢分享。可惜我没看过Macbeth，你对Macbeth评价如何？稍微查了一下，貌似是莎翁写的最黑暗的悲剧作品。 ...

我可以答我已经忘了吗？畢竟已经20多年前 读的... 要不你等我先把書找出来再读一次然后再回覆你？

不过我記得当年老师教开場三个巫婆那一段時，对当中的那句fair is foul and foul is fair, 很有一点震撼的感觉，觉得沒见过这样寫的，以至到现在40大歲还记得。

hsy12

Hsc 发表于 2015-4-27 14:21
我可以答我已经忘了吗？畢竟已经20多年前 读的... 要不你等我先把書找出来再读一次然后再回覆你？  ...

当然，如果没时间的话就不用回复了。：）

也学到一句：fair is foul, foul is fair。：P

hsy12

稍微更新了一下书单。

正在看《1984》，第一部分看完了，觉得有点冗长。
里面描写的社会类似与黑暗的旧中国，对我来说似乎都有点outdated了？对于现在的中学生是不是更不能理解呢？

stmimi

歌曲好熟悉。

奇思

好书都有争议。2000-2007年间被投诉最多的书是HP系列，因为有巫术，让孩子有不切实际的想法。
认为有性和暴力就让孩子有这种想法太夸张了，大部分时候负面的情节传达的都是正面的思想。
譬如The Curious Incident...那本书讲的是Chris怎么样超越自己先天性的自闭症，学会独立，学会理解和成长。
1984和GW的动物农场之类的可以学到集权统治导致自由泯灭的恶果。（1949年写的1984那么准确的预测了许多共产主义国家的未来）
像The Outsiders或者Looking for Alaska之类的Bildungsroman（成长教育小说）一般都会用比一般中产阶级家庭中学生所遇到的事情更夸张的故事来传达爱，体谅，自由等等的中心思想。就因为使用了暴力，性，毒，等等的事情而被某些家长/社区老人所不接受，再我看来实在没必要。在这个网上随便一搜就能看A片的时代，肯好好看，仔细学习这样正能量的青春小说不错了...

奇思

这几本是我们学校上个学期“世界文学”的的书单里面的书，全不的书单大概有三倍这里的。这个书单是让我们看几本以后选两本写论文1500字的。
我选了莫言的蛙，看了中英文两版，觉得翻译还是欠感觉。还有一本是越南的禁书，中国改革开放那会写的，当时越南也比较自由，作者1990年已经被开除党籍遣出越南了。


Colombia
Chronicle of a Death Foretold                          1981                        Gabriel Garcia Marquez

A man returns to the town where a baffling murder took place 27 years earlier, determined to get to the bottom of the story. Just hours after marrying the beautiful Angela Vicario, everyone agrees, Bayardo San Roman returned his bride in disgrace to her parents. Her distraught family forced her to name her first lover; and her twin brothers announced their intention to murder Santiago Nasar for dishonouring their sister. Yet if everyone knew the murder was going to happen, why did no one intervene to stop it? The more that is learned, the less is understood, and as the story races to its inexplicable conclusion, an entire society--not just a pair of murderers—is put on trial.

Botswana
When Rain Clouds Gather                              1968                                        Bessie Head

When Makhaya escapes from South Africa, he is welcomed into the community where Gilbert, an English agricultural expert, is trying to introduce more drought-resistant farming practices.  Despite Makhaya’s hesitancy to trust a white man, they work well together.  Makhaya continues to seek a way to live that will remove him from the “hatred and humiliation” that he has known in his homeland.  He comes to love the land to which he has come and finds happiness in the setting of the sun. 

Australia
The Vanishing Act                         2011                                         Metta Jacobsen

This is a story about a snow-covered island you won't find on any map. It's the story of a girl, Minou. A year ago, her mother walked out into the rain and never came back. It's a story about a magician and a priest and a dog called No Name. It's about a father's endless hunt for the truth. It's about a dead boy who listens, and Minou's search for her mother's voice. It's a story you will never forget.

USA
The Grapes of Wrath                         1939                                            John Steinbeck

A novel which chronicles the Dust Bowl migration of the 1930s and tells the story of one Oklahoma farm family, the Joads, driven from their homestead and forced to travel west to the promised land of California. Out of their trials and their repeated collisions against the hard realities of an America divided into haves and have-nots evolves a drama that is intensely human yet majestic in its scale and moral vision, elemental yet plainspoken, tragic but ultimately stirring in its human dignity. A portrait of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless, of one man’s fierce reaction to injustice, and of one woman’s stoical strength, the novel captures the horrors of the Great Depression and probes the very nature of equality and justice in America.


Vietnam
Paradise of the Blind                                    2002                        Durong Thu Huong

Paradise of the Blind is an exquisite portrait of three Vietnamese women struggling to survive in a society where subservience to men is expected and Communist corruption crushes every dream. Through the eyes of Hang, a young woman in her twenties who has grown up amidst the slums and intermittent beauty of Hanoi, we come to know the tragedy of her family as land reform rips apart their village. When her uncle Chinh‘s political loyalties replace family devotion, Hang is torn between her mother‘s appalling self–sacrifice and the bitterness of her aunt who can avenge but not forgive. Only by freeing herself from the past will Hang be able to find dignity –– and a future.

Japan
Kitchen                                                      1987                                 Banana Yoshimoto

The young narrator, Mikage, moves into the apartment of a friend whose mother is murdered early in the tale. What seems like a coming-of-age melodrama quickly evolves into a deeply moving tale filled with unique characters and themes. Along the way, readers get a taste of contemporary Japan, with its mesh of popular American food and culture. Mikage addresses the role of death, loneliness, and personal as well as sexual identity through a set of striking circumstances and personal remembrances.

USA
The Poisonwood Bible                                1998                        Barbara Kingsolver

The Poisonwood Bible is a story told by the wife and four daughters of Nathan Price, a fierce, evangelical Baptist who takes his family and mission to the Belgian Congo in 1959. They carry with them everything they believe they will need from home, but soon find that all of it -- from garden seeds to Scripture -- is calamitously transformed on African soil. What follows is a suspenseful epic of one family's tragic undoing and remarkable reconstruction over the course of three decades in postcolonial Africa.

Germany
All Quiet on the Western Front                         1927                        Erich Maria Remarque                               

Paul Baumer enlisted with his classmates in the German army of World War I. Youthful, enthusiastic, they become soldiers. But despite what they have learned, they break into pieces under the first bombardment in the trenches. And as horrible war plods on year after year, Paul holds fast to a single vow: to fight against the principles of hate that meaninglessly pits young men of the same generation but different uniforms against each other--if only he can come out of the war alive.

India
A Fine Balance                                 2008                                 Rohinton Mistry

With a compassionate realism and narrative sweep that recall the work of Charles Dickens, this magnificent novel captures all the cruelty and corruption, dignity and heroism, of India. The time is 1975. The place is an unnamed city by the sea. The government has just declared a State of Emergency, in whose upheavals four strangers--a spirited widow, a young student uprooted from his idyllic hill station, and two tailors who have fled the caste violence of their native village--will be thrust together, forced to share one cramped apartment and an uncertain future.
As the characters move from distrust to friendship and from friendship to love, A Fine Balance creates an enduring panorama of the human spirit in an inhuman state.

USA
Snow Flower and the Secret Fan                2005                                        Lisa See

In nineteenth-century China, in a remote Hunan county, a girl named Lily, at the tender age of seven, is paired with a laotong, “old same,” in an emotional match that will last a lifetime. The laotong, Snow Flower, introduces herself by sending Lily a silk fan on which she’s painted a poem in nu shu, a unique language that Chinese women created in order to communicate in secret, away from the influence of men. As the years pass, Lily and Snow Flower send messages on fans, compose stories on handkerchiefs, reaching out of isolation to share their hopes, dreams, and accomplishments. Together, they endure the agony of foot-binding, and reflect upon their arranged marriages, shared loneliness, and the joys and tragedies of motherhood. The two find solace, developing a bond that keeps their spirits alive. But when a misunderstanding arises, their deep friendship suddenly threatens to tear apart.

USA
Everything I Never Told You                 2014                                                  Celeste Ng

Lydia is dead. But they don’t know this yet . . . So begins this debut novel about a mixed-race family living in 1970s Ohio and the tragedy that will either be their undoing or their salvation. Lydia is the favorite child of Marilyn and James Lee; their middle daughter, a girl who inherited her mother’s bright blue eyes and her father’s jet-black hair. Her parents are determined that Lydia will fulfill the dreams they were unable to pursue—in Marilyn’s case that her daughter become a doctor rather than a homemaker, in James’s case that Lydia be popular at school, a girl with a busy social life and the center of every party.
When Lydia’s body is found in the local lake, the delicate balancing act that has been keeping the Lee family together tumbles into chaos, forcing them to confront the long-kept secrets that have been slowly pulling them apart.

China
Frog                                        2014                                        Mo Yan       

This novel chronicles the sweeping history of modern China through the lens of the nation’s controversial one- child policy.Frog opens with a playwright nicknamed Tadpole who plans to write about his aunt. In her youth, Gugu—the beautiful daughter of a famous doctor and staunch Communist—is revered for her skill as a midwife. But when her lover defects, Gugu’s own loyalty to the Party is questioned. She decides to prove her allegiance by strictly enforcing the one-child policy, keeping tabs on the number of children in the village, and performing abortions on women as many as eight months pregnant.Mo Yan depicts a world of desperate families, illegal surrogates, forced abortions, and the guilt of those who must enforce the policy. At once illuminating and devastating, it shines a light into the heart of communist China.

United States
All the Light We Cannot See                                 2014                                          Anthony Doerr

Marie-Laure lives with her father in Paris near the Museum of Natural History, where he works as the master of its thousands of locks. When she is six, Marie-Laure goes blind and her father builds a perfect miniature of their neighbourhood so she can memorize it by touch and navigate her way home. When she is twelve, the Nazis occupy Paris and father and daughter flee to the walled citadel of Saint-Malo, where Marie-Laure’s reclusive great-uncle lives in a tall house by the sea. With them they carry what might be the museum’s most valuable and dangerous jewel.

In a mining town in Germany, the orphan Werner grows up with his younger sister, enchanted by a crude radio they find. Werner becomes an expert at building and fixing these crucial new instruments, a talent that wins him a place at a brutal academy for Hitler Youth, then a special assignment to track the resistance. More and more aware of the human cost of his intelligence, Werner travels through the heart of the war and, finally, into Saint-Malo, where his story and Marie-Laure’s converge.

United Kingdom
The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time                 2004                    Mark Haddon

Christopher John Francis Boone knows all the countries of the world and their capitals and every prime number up to 7,057. He relates well to animals but has no understanding of human emotions. He cannot stand to be touched. And he detests the color yellow.
Although gifted with a superbly logical brain, for fifteen-year-old Christopher everyday interactions and admonishments have little meaning. He lives on patterns, rules, and a diagram kept in his pocket. Then one day, a neighbor's dog, Wellington, is killed and his carefully constructive universe is threatened. Christopher sets out to solve the murder in the style of his favourite (logical) detective, Sherlock Holmes. What follows makes for a novel that is funny, poignant and fascinating in its portrayal of a person whose curse and blessing are a mind that perceives the world entirely literally. 

coolfa

1984!哪个中学?很有品味。

hsy12

coolfa 发表于 2016-4-30 16:30
1984!哪个中学?很有品味。

很多中学都选了这本吧？英语老师还要求假期把1949先看了。

hsy12

奇思 发表于 2016-4-30 11:27
这几本是我们学校上个学期“世界文学”的的书单里面的书，全不的书单大概有三倍这里的。这个书单是让我们看 ...

感谢分享。翻译都很难做到与原版一样精彩，还有电影一般都不如书好看。

coolfa

hsy12 发表于 2016-4-30 16:50
很多中学都选了这本吧？英语老师还要求假期把1949先看了。

谢谢加分。
1949？要找来看看了。
几年级的孩子看这些书？没有在伟大的国度生活过的人看这些都会比较闷吧，不会感同身受。
有没有要求看Gulag的？

coolfa

奇思 发表于 2016-4-30 11:17
好书都有争议。2000-2007年间被投诉最多的书是HP系列，因为有巫术，让孩子有不切实际的想法。
认为有性和暴 ...

hsy12

coolfa 发表于 2016-4-30 17:30
谢谢加分。
1949？要找来看看了。
几年级的孩子看这些书？没有在伟大的国度生活过的人看这些都会比较闷吧 ...

1949也是george orwell写的，我还没看，没说要看G。11年级的孩子看的。
作为我们也没有很深的体会，那样的社会是不是比较像文化大革命的时期？

不知道是不是巧合，作者在1949年写的东西，也会用commrade，也会有the ninth three-year-plan等等，似曾相识啊，呵呵。