25年HSC第一：是什么让James Ruse与众不同

Carnation

如果一个拿到JR offer 的学生去了私校，是不是以后ATAR成绩会因此不如留在JR 好？

黑猫白猫

Carnation 发表于 2021-10-24 14:53
如果一个拿到JR offer 的学生去了私校，是不是以后ATAR成绩会因此不如留在JR 好？ ...

hsc同样分数的情况下，应该是的

jackfiona

可惜这么些最顶尖的华人精英争着去做医生，以后医院里看到的医生都是曾经最聪明的精英。难道医生是所有行业里智商情商要求最高的吗？

limaaa

jackfiona 发表于 2021-10-24 16:10
可惜这么些最顶尖的华人精英争着去做医生，以后医院里看到的医生都是曾经最聪明的精英。难道医生是所有行业 ...

修啥不如修人，待啥不如待人。医生必须具备工程师、律师、侦探等等的全才技能。很多医生被骂没有道德、没有医德、技术粗糙、误诊漏诊。所以需要在招生的时候尽量招最聪明的精英。

limaaa

宝强口头禅：没意义。

limaaa

RBaggio 发表于 2021-10-9 09:12
本来生源就最好，每年再从别的学校掐尖，这谁比的过啊

自愿加入，无金钱诱惑。

CSHO

As a parent of 2020 JR graduate and a student from UNSW medicine,
I shall contribute my personal opinions/opposite lessons on OC, selective school tests,
ATAR and medicine admission that many JR students take.
These will be itemised for any feedback.

CSHO

I give higher weighting on admission to selected University course like medicine than
higher ATAR like 尖子生 with ATAR 99.9+.
To get ATAR 99.9+, my kid needs more resources like tutoring on the HSC/ATAR mandatory subject for a few years.

CSHO

Regarding undergraduate entry into Medicine, I assign importance factors from high to low:
In performance aspect - UCAT, interview, ATAR
In non-performance aspect - 地利, 人禍, 天时

My kid spent moderate effort on HSC, minor effort on UCAT.
Since HSC and UCAT finished before interviews, my kid could spend more effort on interviews.

CSHO

My kid was ill equipped in Year 12 as he used mobile phone for internet connection to school lessons and medicine interviews.
Usually, there was a briefing session before medicine interview.
In the first interview briefing session, a medical school (QU) tested our internet connection and
discovered that our internet connection had too high latency.

CSHO

Why ATAR (99.95) is less important than UCAT, interview?

For ATAR 99.95, my rough estimate
- About 46-48 in NSW
- About 200 in ANZ
- Plus 30-40 IB in ANZ
- Plus unknown number from University GPA conversion
- Plus unknown number from other type of high school exam conversion
- Plus unknown number from bonus adjustment
- ATAR is relevant more than one year and so, plus unknown number from previous years
- Assume half of these compete for undergraduate medicine courses

Say 200 and these ATAR (99.95) cannot be differentiated and so they are all in one single rank.

For UCAT, my rough estimate
- About 14000 candidates
- About 140 in 99 percentile
This top percentile candidates could be ranked individually.

For interview, top interviewees could be ranked individually.

So, one with topmost UCAT or interview result has advantage on one with ATAR 99.95.

However, smaller number of top candidates compete on home state first before
the rest to compete inter-state.

On home state rank competition,
- Assume 30 with ATAR 99.95
- Assume 20 of UCAT with (99 percentile + 100 marks)
So, those with topmost UCAT or interview result still have advantage on those with ATAR 99.95.

CSHO

JR allocates class based on ranking of Math result in higher years.
My kid only gets tutoring on Math from Year 9 Term 2 to Year 12 Term 1 in order to study with his higher calibre best friend classmates.
To compensate with tutoring cost, my kid did tutoring since Year 9.

CSHO

When I investigate the medicine courses in NSW, my first question :
The higher ranking the University, the longer the course take.
I asked this question with my consulting Specialist (I am a frequent patient)
and got the same answer as from my partner.
What do you answer?

CSHO

My kid did his Year 10 work experience on non-medicine area.
At Year 12, he changed his preference to medicine without reason.
I see no or minimal parental influence.
Also, his higher calibre best friend classmates take non-medicine courses based on their interest.

CSHO

When he took medicine preference, I estimated success chance was over 80%.
My concern was whether it was a home state first preference offer.
Also, there was no track record for UCAT and interview.

CSHO

So far, my kid have happy schooling and are happy in primary school, happier in high school and happiest in University.
He studied in pre-schools, primary school, high school and University nearest to home.
He came to schools just in time and came to HSC English test a little bit late to minimise COVID exposure.

CSHO

The disadvantages of happy schooling make him lack of ambition and strong discipline.
He never got individual competition prize.
However, he got some team competition prize with team skill of 濫宇充數.
His preference now is to be a GP.

CSHO

He is a All-1 rounder with persisting relative weakness on English and
I have no idea of his strongest area.

CSHO

His English HSC result is not on top band and UCAT VR is on 90 percentile.
However, this has little effect on his ATAR and UCAT score.

CSHO

At Year 12, 10 HSC units were taken by dropping biology.
He applied many medical schools and got many medical interview invites.
UNSW is his top priority since it's location is most convenient.

CSHO

It would be easier this year and like last year 2020, interview is done online.
Online interview saves time, money, travel and accommodation.
I guess 拿一个bond offer都不易, 拿到unbond offer就一推。

CSHO

For medical offers, the dividing line is the UNSW Jan offer round 1.
He had many interviews before the line and 2 interviews after the line.  

ehope

wxxnxs 发表于 2020-12-19 12:27
我一直在想一个问题，如果NSW规定取消一切补习，JR是否还是可以那样优秀。如果这些顶尖学校里的学生都是靠 ...

RUSE很多学生绝不是只靠补习上来的，而是天然的学霸，学习能力强只是这些孩子能力的一部分表现。假设有一天NSW规定取消一切补习，这些孩子还会考入RUSE。

CSHO

Medicine admission interview is usually arranged in a few dates and multiple circuits.
My kid received an UNSW interview invite on HSC result release date and his interview time was
the first time slot of first interview date.

CSHO

I guess that Year 2020 UNSW online interviews were allocated from high to low combined ATAR and UCAT score on interview time within interview day or on interview time.

CSHO

He received UNSW Jan offer round 1 unbonded offer and after that he had interview invites from UWA and Monash.

CSHO

For home state, his top preference is UNSW.
For inter-state, his top preference is Monash and lowest preference is UWA.
He accepted the UNSW offer and declined interview invite from UWA.

CSHO

Someone wrote on https://medstudentsonline.com.au that usually for Monash interstate interview, up to 75-80% who attend the interview get an offer.
But year 2020 was unusual.

CSHO

With no offer from Monash, my kid asked and got a frank reply from the admission team.
In this case, non-performance aspect - 地利, 人禍, 天时 were dominant admission factors for interstate non-rural interviewees.
I speculated that this school gave minimum number (1?) of offers to interstate non-rural interviewees to justify time, expense and to meet trade practice.

CSHO

In total, my kid got 6 medical school offers (none bonded).
Of these 6 offers,
4 medical schools consider ATAR, UCAT, interview
1 medical school considers ATAR, UCAT
1 medical school considers ATAR