公司知道我怀孕后，今天找我谈话

嘉jacinta

在这家公司工作了半年，试用期三个月，之前都好好的，他们没有提过我工作能力有问题，试用期间还挺满意我的工作，不巧，试用期过后意外怀孕，现在已经两个月，前阵子流血，不得已告诉公司自己怀孕，休了一周的假，回来工作一周，也是今天，他们找我谈话，说我们担心你没法胜任这份工作，然后列举出几个问题来，可是很多问题我觉得都是鸡蛋里挑骨头。老板说这是个警告，我们会继续关注你，如果你没有任何的提高，那他们就要裁掉我。我该怎么办呢，已经过了试用期，公司可以以你不胜任工作来辞退你吗，如果被裁掉，公司要赔钱吗?

lga

主动辞职

zdmdyf

主动辞职，还能有个好的推荐信，在家养身体吧，孩子是关键

healthyz

baby is much more important than anything

roo81

职场险恶啊。
我前2天还看到公司楼上在举办如何解雇受伤员工的讲座。资本家黑的很。

zzgirl

我倒觉得LZ的身体可能因为怀孕确实不能胜任工作。怀孕期间会有很多困难，大公司能体谅，小公司可能就很难两全了。LZ身体显然不是很好，或者胎不是很稳，可以考虑保胎再说。毕竟如果你老是硬撑对孩子，对公司都不好。

melbrose

其实真的 只要找个理由 不说怀孕  一样辞退的  楼主切莫纠结这个哟，打官司不值得。 Redundancy 现在的经济环境下很普遍的，即便fair trade 我认为做不了什么有效果调节的。 你不如多要些补偿 比如 可以离开，不给你们找麻烦，支付我1个月工资和SUPER，但是我不工作。 这个我觉得你公司会考虑的，他们也不想麻烦哟。你可以先说我要2个月无条件工资提前支付，然后再砍到1个月或者1个半月。我们公司好几个都这样达成了意愿，管理层也满意。

axin

楼主想想离开这家公司后可以怎样安排生活工作吧。

预好。

carrie0311

怎么会这样

依栏听荷

未经许可好像不能够录音，更不能作为证据。会有官司的。我们公司之前就出了这个问题

cnj8848

楼主保重，钱是小事，健康为重

Carmen_lee

15人一下的小公司可以任意解雇职员的

前段时间写Paper找资料时看到的，fairwork的一个Pdf有写，法律里也有写

tigerandgolf

vanvan 发表于 2014-8-19 14:21
没有试用期。这点都挺好的

那问题不大，除非真想开除你，就要用performance来给你warning什么的。

NicoleLiu

不是说怀孕后24个月都不能解雇吗？
而且PPL不是政府给的吗？公司可以向政府要回来的，公司干嘛这么多事。

rayki

han020573 发表于 2014-8-19 14:07
多探讨一下，没有关系。
这确实是非常重要的信息，关系每个人。
等我回家，仔细研究一下 ...

恩。理解。  我也觉得如果有法律人士很统一一下意见就更好了。。 反正我以前曾经咨询过fairwork。 对方明确说录音不能作为证据。
我的理解在特定的情况下。应该是可以。但是具体怎么操作就没数了。

whirlpool也有讨论的。
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1904409

后面还有一个

http://www.employmentlawonline.com.au/question3-2/

Typical Question

I recorded my termination meeting because I was fearful that the employer would say that I resigned and was not sacked if I later brought an unfair dismissal claim. Can I use the recording in court?
Short Answer

The Surveillance Devices Act 1999 and other legal precedence sets limitations on what recordings can be used to support your case. This is largely because individuals would not make incriminating statements if they were aware they were being recorded. However, everyone’s case is different and there are some circumstances where recordings can be used to support your case.

Read the long answer below or if you need professional legal advice  fill out the form at the bottom of the page and our representatives will contact you back.
Long Answer

You may have been fearful that your employer would manipulate the outcome of your meetings to better their case should you bring legal action against them to enforce your employment rights. You may have recorded the conversation to protect yourself in the future against any adverse action from your employer. If you have been worried for some time about your employer’s unlawful conduct, you may even have established a dossier of recordings which you intend to use to establish your employer’s wrongdoing and assist any future claim which you may make.

However there is legislation in place which limits your ability to use those recordings in legal proceedings. You may have complied with the law when you covertly recorded the conversations, however this may be of limited use in defending your employment rights if you cannot use it in a court or tribunal against your employer.
Surveillance Devices Act 1999 (Vic)

The purpose of the Surveillance Devices Act 1999 (Vic) is to restrict the use, communication and publication of information that is obtained through the use of surveillance devices. Such devices can include audio, visual and tracking devices. Permission may be granted under the Act to covertly record conversations between individuals, however these are usually granted to Police for the investigation of criminal offences.

Protected information is defined in section 30D as information obtained from the use of surveillance devices. If you seek to bring your recording to the attention of a court or tribunal in which you have brought your matter, you are using and publishing the protected information. It is the use of the information for tendering the evidence in the court or tribunal which attracts prohibitions and limitations. The protection exists for employers and employees to prevent any injustice which may arise from recordings. As it is unlikely that any individual would make incriminating statements if they knew it would be used against them at a later date, this protection must be enforced when those statements are used against that person’s interests.

You are not permitted to install surveillance devices if you intend to record your fellow colleagues or employers’ private conversations. However you are permitted to record conversations to which you are a party. It is how you use that information which is subject to prohibitions and limitations.

The Act prohibits the communication or publication of private conversations or activities. Section 11 prohibits you knowingly communicating or publishing the recording of your private conversations with your employer which you have obtained through the use of a surveillance device. There are exceptions to this prohibition which include -

- A communication made with the express or implied consent of each party to the private conversation

- A communication that is no more than is reasonably necessary
- In the public interest; or
- For the protection of the lawful interests of the person making it; or

- A communication in the course of legal or disciplinary proceedings.

If you asked your employer for consent to record any meetings held between you and it was given, it is unlikely that your employer would have made any incriminating statements. It is crucial that if you have recorded any private discussions that you are very cautious about who you allow to listen to the recordings as it is the disclosure of the recorded information which is prohibited. You may disclose this recorded information to your lawyer as it is for the protection of your lawful interests, and your lawyer may use this information to assist in your employment matter.

This Act should not be taken lightly as you may be found to have committed an offence if you publish the information which you have secretly obtained. If you intentionally or recklessly publish or use the protected information which you have obtained through your recordings, you may be found guilty of an offence and be liable for imprisonment of up to 2 years under section 30E.Your employer may consider proceedings against you if your recording involves the misuse of its confidential business information, hence any use of your recorded information may come with serious consequences.

In addition to regulating the use of recordings between you and your employer, the Act provides specific protection for your workplace privacy under Part 2A. Section 9B prohibits your employer from knowingly installing or using optical and listening surveillance devices to observe, listen, record or monitor your activities or conversations in bathrooms and private areas. Section 9C prohibits you from communicating or publishing an activity or conversation recorded under section 9B. Your employer cannot record you in private areas such as bathrooms or change rooms; however this does not prohibit your employer from monitoring you in more public areas such as your shop floor or working area.

If you record conversations to which you are a party, you must be cautious not to publish or disclose it to anyone who is not your lawyer. You are prohibited from using it for any reason, except for the protection of your own lawful interests or in a legal matter. However there are additional requirements under the Evidence Act 2008 (Vic) which may need to be complied with for tendering evidence, depending on which court or tribunal you seek to use the recording in. You should bring any recorded information to your lawyer’s attention, but its use as evidence in courts and tribunals should be a decision made carefully and with ample consideration as to the consequences.

zippo0307

lulucai 发表于 2014-8-19 14:15
保留职位还发薪水???

这是说国内么？澳洲哪家公司还发薪水啊， 估计也就银行这种给工资，普通公司都不给 ...

很多大公司都有内部福利，更何况政府也要发PPL

zippo0307

稍微有点常识的雇主都不敢轻易辞退怀孕员工

很多鬼佬这时候找茬偷懒不干活，雇主白养着也不敢辞退了，但凡有些纠纷认定责任在雇主都会被罚个底儿掉

建议楼主给FWA打个电话说明情况，留下个refer no以后就算有人为难你，你也有个记录

vanvan

tigerandgolf 发表于 2014-8-19 14:08
过了试用期了吗？

没有试用期。这点都挺好的

lulucai

风中的旋回 发表于 2014-8-18 19:29
哎，楼主看开点吧，这个现象其实挺普遍的，很多不正规的公司会这样
之前我一个30岁的女性朋友去找工作，多 ...

保留职位还发薪水???

这是说国内么？澳洲哪家公司还发薪水啊， 估计也就银行这种给工资，普通公司都不给钱的

Chole

move on...leave it behind. not worth the hassle.

tigerandgolf

vanvan 发表于 2014-8-19 12:17
下周就要告诉老板怀孕了，也是工作了四个多月，好紧张。

过了试用期了吗？

han020573

rayki 发表于 2014-8-19 13:37
我觉得还是不要这样来引导。毕竟我们都不是法律人士。。  既然你找来link。 我也随便做点功课。  ACt2007 ...

多探讨一下，没有关系。
这确实是非常重要的信息，关系每个人。
等我回家，仔细研究一下

abd

国内一旦怀孕公司就不能裁你, 而且哺乳期也不可以.

qqyang

YellowTulip 发表于 2014-8-19 12:07
只要是公司， 都是只讲效益， 大公司只有水更深

大公司一般承受的了这个成本，也有基本的内部员工权益保障制度，不会去冒折损商誉的风险。你没在大公司工作过吧？

qingqin

XR8 发表于 2014-8-18 18:45
如果楼主怀疑是针对自己，建议从现在开始每次谈话都录音，尽量要求书面回复保存邮件
...

是啊
可能还是因为你怀孕的事吧
老板只好找其他的岔

澳巴

YellowTulip 发表于 2014-8-19 13:07
只要是公司， 都是只讲效益， 大公司只有水更深

我家两口子都在医疗系统，目前没遇到也没听说谁因此下岗。包括同公司的一个朋友刚生了孩子，并没有遇到任何麻烦。而且她从进来到休产假都没做到10个月。
我也许该强调一下医疗系统和其它公司不同吧！

rayki

好像只有一种情况可以录音电话。   我没看懂怎么回事。好像说必须是第三方的设备？ 不能通过电话本身来。。  总之agument很大的。


The Law regarding the recording of Private Telephone Conversations
Feb 2014 | Author Stuart Gibson, Gibsons Solicitors

So, what is the law regarding the recording of private conversations in Victoria?

The answer depends on who is partaking in the “conversation” and what means are being used to record the same.

The position is this.  One can record a private telephone conversation without the consent of the other party to the conversation provided that the recording is not done through a device installed within the telephone.  This could for instance be an interception device.  However, it is permissible to record the private conversation via an external recording device such as a dictaphone or even some form of software installed on your computer (see Section 6(1) of The Surveillance Devices Act 1999 (Vic).

This is also confirmed in the Commonwealth Act (see Sections 6(1) and & 7(1) of the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 (Cth).

Note that, correspondingly, one cannot record private conversation of others!  A person must not knowingly install, use or maintain a listening device to overhear, record, monitor or listen to a private conversation to which the person is not a party, without the express or implied consent of each party to the conversation (see Section 6(1) of The Surveillance Devices Act 1999 (Vic).

leoqy

lz到take leave的时候工作满12个月了么
不满公司都不用帮你保留职位阿

rayki

han020573 发表于 2014-8-19 12:52
"42M. Making of direction for audio visual appearance

(a) appearance by audio visual link is

我觉得还是不要这样来引导。毕竟我们都不是法律人士。。  既然你找来link。 我也随便做点功课。  ACt2007和nsw1987 act明确禁止不经过对方同意的录音。

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/leg ... sda2007210/s12.html

SURVEILLANCE DEVICES ACT 2007 - SECT 12
Possession of record of private conversation or activity
12 Possession of record of private conversation or activity

    (1) A person must not possess a record of a private conversation or the carrying on of an activity knowing that it has been obtained, directly or indirectly, by the use of a listening device, optical surveillance device or tracking device in contravention of this Part.

        Maximum penalty: 500 penalty units (in the case of a corporation) or 100 penalty units or 5 years imprisonment, or both (in any other case).

    (2) Subsection (1) does not apply where the record is in the possession of the person:

        (a) in connection with proceedings for an offence against this Act or the regulations, or

        (b) with the consent, express or implied, of all of the principal parties to the private conversation or persons who took part in the activity, or

        (c) as a consequence of a communication or publication of that record to that person in circumstances that do not constitute a contravention of this Part.


http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.a ... t+69+1984+FIRST+0+N

7   Prohibition on communication or publication of records of private conversations by parties thereto

        (1)  A person who has been a party to a private conversation and has used, or caused to be used, a listening device to record the conversation (whether in contravention of section 5 or not), shall not subsequently communicate or publish to any other person any record of the conversation made, directly or indirectly, by the use of the device.

        (2)  Subsection (1) does not apply where the communication or publication:

            (a)  is made to another party to the private conversation or with the consent, express or implied, of all of the principal parties to the conversation,

            (b)  is made in the course of legal proceedings,

            (c)  is not more than is reasonably necessary for the protection of the lawful interests of the person making the communication or publication,

            (d)  is made to a person who has, or is, on reasonable grounds, by the person making the communication or publication, believed to have, such an interest in the private conversation as to make the communication or publication reasonable under the circumstances in which it is made, or

            (e)  is made by a person who used the listening device to record the private conversation pursuant to a warrant granted under Part 4 or pursuant to an authority granted by or under the Telecommunications (Interception) Act 1979 of the Commonwealth or any other law of the Commonwealth.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/sda1999210/

vanvan

呼噜2 发表于 2014-8-19 13:29
看你的头像以为你是男的

哈哈，我没有新足迹的账号，总用老公的