律師在澳洲的就業市場

ekhtai

本人是香港的律師，在澳洲亦有牌照，欲舉家移民澳洲，不知現在律師在澳洲的就業市場如何？是否有同行在這裡，可提供意？謝！

不会游泳的鱼

自己开间律师楼

demoboy

我的感觉是 律师是澳洲宰人NO。1职业，修车的是NO。2，医生是NO。3

ekhtai

Hi, why said that? I think they're better than those in China. Their conducts are regulated by
rules of the Law Society.

zhengtao

是个赚钱的行业
语言没问题的话可以做。
工作的话个人的看法是：只要你有能力，就不怕没有工作做。

woody

可以查查澳洲新报大篇幅广告,也了解一两个伙计, "律师"那么神圣的职业, 主营业务就是 FLG, 偷渡,妓女,难民...呵呵.这行生意应该经久不衰的.

当然也有读了PHD华人,任教于大学,跻身于鬼老司法部门的精英,让人敬仰.

ekhtai

Hi, there, I've stayed in Aussie for a year in 1998. At that time, the
job market for lawyers there was not very good. Of course, the
general economy in Aussie was bad too. But I don't know what is the
present condition.

不会游泳的鱼

最近经济大环境倒是不错

月亮

LZ学的法系和澳洲一样吗？我知道大陆和这里是不一样的。

ekhtai

Hi, the economy of Aussie is bad now? Well, are you sure? I just read
newspaper that employment rate now is at historical low?? Though
property price has been stagnant (but now dropping).

Yeah, I am a Hong Kong lawyer, which is very different from those in
China. Hong Kong, like Aussie, is a common law country and so it is not very different. Plus, I've got my license in NSW, Australia.

I've been doing some litigation and real property work some 7-8 years
ago. Now, I am doing mostly commercial and corporate things.

In fact, if I move to Aussie, I would like to be an immigration lawyer - u know, those who help people move to aussie. But I have no previous
experience and I don't know what is market for immigation lawyers now.

Any idea?

lyrixyang

8是的，楼上们意思是澳洲的经济大环境是好的。不是不好。

zhengtao

澳洲应该是英美法系，都是英联邦的。

thunder

移民律师是再简单不过的好像，除非你给那些办失败的人打官司， 一般的agent不是律师。估计还是别的赚钱多。

ekhtai

Then what sort of lawyers are most sought after in Aussie? Actually, I
do not want those high pressured positions, because the one I am
doing here in HK has got tremendous pressure, and I would like to
pursue simple and happy life in Aussie.

bulaohu

Aussie --> Australian
OZ       --> Australia

rdcwayx

看了一下楼主的发言，个人觉得，我们对工作环境好坏的感觉，收入的要求，与楼主是有很大不同的。

楼主个人有7，8 年的工作经验，而且拥有香港，澳洲的律师执照，律师在澳洲和香港都是金饭碗，在全世界都是这样，怎么也会有职业问题呢？

所以，以楼主的意思，可能他想知道的，是能否赚到同香港一样多的钱，或是更高。据我所知，国内的稍有名气的律师，年收入都至少50万的。

如果楼主只是要求拿到澳洲的平均工资，5万澳元左右，按楼主的工作经验，应该是没有问题的。但是如果想拿到类似香港的收入水平，那还要看你自己的水平了。

另外，lz也不用把中国的法律贬低的一无是处。香港的黑社会或其他类似社会毒瘤，律师的作用难道是促进这个社会发展的吗？更多的时候，都是起帮凶的作用。

[ 本帖最后由 rdcwayx 于 2007-1-11 14:17 编辑 ]

rdcwayx

原帖由 ekhtai 于 2007-1-10 15:24 发表
In fact, if I move to Aussie, I would like to be an immigration lawyer - u know, those who help people move to aussie. But I have no previous
experience and I don't know what is market for immigation lawyers now. ...

N多的人在作移民律师，竞争很激烈。我觉得不太有大的前途。而且，现在香港的移民律师口碑不好，很多香港移民公司，在大陆是和骗子公司，皮包公司划等号的。

在澳洲，移民律师并不是真正的律师，只要参加个补习班，通过一门考试，就可拿到执照。

ekhtai

Hi, rdcwayx, I don't cherish any hope that I can earn in Oz (I'm using
the right abbrev this time) as much as I do in HK. Plus, even if I can, the tax in Oz is much higher than that in HK or China. I think very few people come to Oz for making big buck. There is another side of attraction which Oz can offer other than money - simple life, freedom, environment,
rule of law, democracy, quality education for kids etc. I just hope that I
can find a job that suffices to pay for the basic needs of myself and
family - but this may not be easy, you know, even given my experience,
professional protectionism is great in Oz and I've no local experience.

hina's legal system and professional are progressing, but in my view are
still not good enough when compared with Oz, HK or US. China is still a
place ruled by men, not law. That's perhaps one of the reasons why so
many Chinese people would like to move to Oz or other western
countries despite China's booming economy. I have no intention of
wanting to disparage China, but just express my views.

rdcwayx

不说了。自己删了

[ 本帖最后由 rdcwayx 于 2007-1-11 15:11 编辑 ]

ekhtai

Working in a small town e.g. Blue Mountain, Woollongong, is not bad.....

ekhtai

Yeah, maybe, but you may probably only act for Chinese clients? Will white peopll entrust a big case to a chinese?

ekhtai

Possible, but not easy, they'll hire local white people first, plus I heard that racial discrimination
in those big law firms is keen, very rare for a chinese get promoted. There's furthermore no
freedom there. If I want to work in those type of firms, I'd better work in HK or Shanghai.....
more chances there.

lyrixyang

不懂，路过，飘过

ekhtai

What about translators in Oz? Their prospect? I mean Chinese to
English or vice versa.

erichxs

那么你需要考三级翻译。考完可以去政府工作，充当翻译。我不清楚香港的情况，但是这里的私人小律师楼是parnership，没底薪，多劳多得，拿多少钱要看自己的本事，绝对有压力，如果一些有名的大律师楼，就是发工资的，没压力，但是你可能做的是秘书的活，老板接了生意pass给你。还有，现在华人开的律师楼满街都是，有骗人的，也有赚钱的，