it don't matter

wil

为啥歌曲里都唱it don't matter？这么说对么？

一炷香

Norah Jones的歌吧？

wil

很多歌啊，akon也有一首，还有个黑人女的好像也这么唱

WTFAUS

我还听黑人说过，I is。。。

MaxJay

原帖由 WTFAUS 于 2008-11-25 15:42 发表
我还听黑人说过，I is。。。

这个黑人很强的说！

bffbffbff

we does ....

bulaohu

I guess it's still easier for everyone to understand if we stick with the grammar...African Americans do have the tendency to create their own version of English, but that's just them...

bffbffbff

原帖由 WTFAUS 于 2008-11-25 15:42 发表
我还听黑人说过，I is。。。

还是忍不住不厚道的笑了一下

steveking

http://thegrammarvandal.wordpres ... ses-in-pop-culture/

I was perusing the discussion boards on the “Good Grammar Is Hot” group on Facebook, and I came across a discussion of the worst grammar offenses in pop culture.

Here are some of them:

John G:

Okay, mine is from Justin Timberlake’s song “what goes around.” He actually
says, “my heart BLEEDED, girl”

Well, there aren’t too many words that rhyme with cheated. Did I mention that I swore up and down that I thought I saw him driving through Powderhouse Circle the other night when he was in town?

Joaquina G:

How about the song “the way I are”

Alexa already brought that up! Timbaland doesn’t even sing that line anywhere in the song! It’s just the title!

Caleb T:

“How you doing?” ……………..stupid Joey
Heh.


Marc Z:

That rap tune that goes “is you is or is you ain’t” is pretty bad. Also, The Doors song, Touch Me, features the lyric:
“I’m gonna love you
Till the stars fall from the sky
For you and I”
Which has always bothered me.
I cannot STAND it when people use I instead of me. The people who do this tend to emphasize the I, and many probably think that they’re being intelligent, speaking better than anyone. Well, all of you know that they’re wrong.


Ellen A:

Does anyone else hate Fergie’s “Big Girls Don’t Cry?”
“I’m not gonna miss you, like a child misses their blanket.”
It grates, and I have to change the station until the song is over.
I completely agree. This line of the song bugs me SO much! It ruins the song for me, and the song isn’t even that great. (I think Fergie should stick to the crazy/strange dance numbers.)

Abigail B:

backstreet boys “all i have to give”
“does his friends get all your time?” and “does his gifts come from the heart?”
gee, i DOESN’T know… DOES THEY??

This is for the Brood, my best friends from home. We used to make music videos to this song and “I Want It That Way.”


Yoni B:

In a rap song (the rapper’s name eludes me at the moment):’Do your chain hang low? Do it wobble to the floor(read “flo”)? Do it shine in the light? Is it platinum, is it gold?’He’s managed to rhyme ‘low’ with ‘floor’ and ‘gold.’ Quite the feat.
I detest this song.


Kandi R:

John Cougar Mellencamp, “Small Town”. I’m a Hoosier from a small town myself, and I love the song, and I love the Coug, but one of the lines is: “and I cannot forget from where it is that I come from”.
Oh, God. Beyond redundant.

I’m not going to comment on the specific writing of these Facebook posters.

Why not?

I’m here to talk about grammar errors made by companies, businesses, groups and institutions with the financial means to afford an editor. I don’t go after individuals unless the errors are jaw-droppingly egregious, and I don’t turn up my nose at every email I receive. (So many of you write to tell me that you’re afraid of what I’ll say about your writing — relax!!)

That being said, however, I am a bit surprised that some of the people in a group called “Good Grammar Is Hot” have no qualms about posting a sentence full of errors.

That is all.

It’s late and I have to be at work in just over nine hours….I only got home from work an hour ago. OH, NO!! I just realized that I missed Barack Obama on The Daily Show!!

I have some plans for tomorrow night — I’m going out to Union with my friend Lisa, as they still have their Restaurant Week menu (for more on Restaurant Week, visit Kate’s Adventures) — and then we may try to visit the Beehive or just do our usual Hong Kong thing. Either way, I won’t be posting tomorrow night.

Have a great few days!

wil

基本上乱用就对了

steveking

原帖由 wil 于 2008-11-25 17:27 发表
基本上乱用就对了

。。。如果你是歌星

Evensong

经常听人说: "me and my friend ......"

这样说对么?

bulaohu

sounds all right to me

bulaohu

even "me and me friend" is a common expression in oral English

wil

一般都是把“我”放在后面，就是"my friend and I" or "my friend and me"，至于这两个

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutgrammar/meandi

Which is correct: 'my friend and me' or 'my friend and I'?

That depends on where you and your friend are in the sentence. In colloquial speech 'me' is often used where standard grammar requires 'I', especially when someone else is mentioned too. Sometimes people use 'I' instead of 'me', because they know 'me' is sometimes wrong, but have not understood the principle. (Others resort to 'myself', which can sound rather pompous.)

      I am the subject of the sentence, but the object of the sentence is me.

If in doubt, take your friend out of the sentence.

      Me and my friend went to a party last night. [Wrong]
      I and my friend went to a party last night.

      My friend and me went to a party last night. [Wrong]
      My friend and I went to a party last night.

      The mayor has invited me and my husband.
      The mayor has invited I and my husband. [Wrong]

      The mayor has invited my husband and me.
      The mayor has invited my husband and I. [Wrong]

Incidentally, saying 'my friend and I' instead of 'I and my friend' is not better grammar, it's just being polite.

黑山老妖

澳洲bush English经常把me当成my用。
但是这种用法和美国黑人的语法一样上不得台面的。

T-shirt

枪炮与玫瑰算是废了。。。。摇滚已死。。。。

Devil_Star

看TRANSPORTER 2后知道了， 黑人常说的YOU AIN'T KNOW NOTHING是一种不入正流的亚文化， DOUBLE NEGATIVE是不被传统语法所接受的。

fina

还有很多哥会说:SHE DON‘T。。。。。

冬菇茶

偶觉得不好学这个, 知道就算了....

小留学生考IELTS 的时候绝对会栽在口语上的...

inferencemel

Non-native speaker are critising native speakers.
Imagine a 鬼佬 try to criticize your Chinese grammar.
What's gonna be your response. Most people's response would be "Hey!, What the hell do you know about Chinese? Or There's no grammar in Chinese!", Or at least in my years, my 语文老师 never teaches Chinese grammar.
So Is there really such a thing as grammar in English?? ???
Language itself is a live thing, so it's ever changing.

In Shakespeare period, there's no 助动词 in English. In stead of saying: " I don't like you", they say "I like thou not".  "thou" is old English for "you"
So what is grammar.

bulaohu

Why can't non-native speakers question native speakers on things that doesn't make sense?

你为什么觉得说绝大多数中国人会说“汉语没有语法”？汉语不但有语法，而且语法相当完备，最简单的主谓宾定状补，大家都学过吧？你的语文老师没教过你这个？我不相信

And yes, there is grammar in English. There was, there is, and there will be. What the grammar was in the past may not necessarily be the same as that of now and that of the future, but at any given moment, there is a set of grammar that is mutually agreed among the speakers so that people can understand each other precisely. Yes language is a living thing, new words and terms get invented everyday and some existing ones become obsolete and eventually disappear; but you can't say there is no grammar. Being constantly changing over a long period of time is not in conflict with being relative stable at a given period of time.

第一名

通过母语学习第二语言，这第二语言的语法通常能学得很好，有时能好过把此第二语言当作母语的人。

一种是深思熟虑把语法想透了才开口，知道什么词该在什么位置。
另一种是不假思索脱口而出，虽然语法是对的，但不用去想所以经不起细问答不上来。

inferencemel

你所谓的中文语法是什么？所谓的“主谓宾定状补”只是近代人try to use western ideas to summaries or describe or standardize Chinese. However as we all known, its' very unsuccessful and very stupid. There's no set of universally accepted rules in Chinese of how to use 主谓宾定状补 etc.?
If there's really grammar in Chinese, Why is that: 中华几千年的文化遗产、经史子集中为何么没有一本“中文语法”著作呢？
Yes, there's a couple of pages in 中学语文书 which describe the so called 主谓宾定状补, but that only constitutes less than 5% of what 's been taught in 语文. So are you saying before you have taken that class, you don't know how to speak Chinese.  As far as I remember in 语文高考中, there's no questions about 主谓宾定状补?

There's grammar in programming language, because that's been purposely developed to follow a set of rules so that everyone can write it through learning the grammar. Is there really grammar in a real language? After all there's language first, then people try to summarize it into a so called "grammar" , so that it's easier for foreigners to learn that language. (often there are cases when these so called rules are contradicting to each other etc.). Strictly follow those so called "grammar"s will only lead to 本末倒置

panada

原帖由 inferencemel 于 2008-11-25 23:47 发表
你所谓的中文语法是什么？所谓的“主谓宾定状补”只是近代人try to use western ideas to summaries or describe or standardize Chinese. However as we all known, its' very unsuccessful and very stupid. There ...

被这不咸不淡的中英文给弄得头都晕了，绝对是中英文或者英中文的极品，就想不通一件事，不能好好说话么？

bulaohu

原帖由 inferencemel 于 2008-11-25 23:47 发表
你所谓的中文语法是什么？所谓的“主谓宾定状补”只是近代人try to use western ideas to summaries or describe or standardize Chinese. However as we all known, its' very unsuccessful and very stupid. There's no set of universally accepted rules in Chinese of how to use 主谓宾定状补 etc.?
If there's really grammar in Chinese, Why is that: 中华几千年的文化遗产、经史子集中为何么没有一本“中文语法”著作呢？
Yes, there's a couple of pages in 中学语文书 which describe the so called 主谓宾定状补, but that only constitutes less than 5% of what 's been taught in 语文. So are you saying before you have taken that class, you don't know how to speak Chinese.  As far as I remember in 语文高考中, there's no questions about 主谓宾定状补?

There's grammar in programming language, because that's been purposely developed to follow a set of rules so that everyone can write it through learning the grammar. Is there really grammar in a real language? After all there's language first, then people try to summarize it into a so called "grammar" , so that it's easier for foreigners to learn that language. (often there are cases when these so called rules are contradicting to each other etc.). Strictly follow those so called "grammar"s will only lead to 本末倒置

好吧好吧，主谓宾定状补不是语法，是骗人的，谁这么说话都是被骗了。
中国的古文里没有出现过《中文语法》这样一本书，所以中文没有语法。中国的古文里也从没出现过英文字母，所以英文不是语言。中国的古文里没有Internet,所以我们其实都不存在。
语文书里面花费少于5%的篇幅来讲的内容都是骗人的。
小孩子学东西都是一开始先把道理都弄明白，然后才背诵下来的。
编程语言里面有语法，主要是给人看的，不是给编译器看的。编译器最聪明，你一句话怎么颠倒过来说它都懂。
语法被总结出来，都是给老外用的。咱们当年学主谓宾定状补，就是为了咱们有一天能教老外啊。
所以，本末倒置别千万啊

alyssa

晕的，看上面这段， 宁愿看诗经去。
不管怎么说，一段好的文字，往往能引起读者大脑皮层的共鸣。
不管是用什么文字写的。

zzboy

好像听哪个同学说过，随意的语法乃美国新街头文化中的内容之一
好像是这么说的。。

iAmNobody

中文语法有的，是54那段时间开始，模仿英文语法建立的。那段时候的白话文运动就是一个表现。相信以前大家学鲁迅的白话文文章总是有点艰涩的感觉吧。就是因为那时候的书面白话文的表达还很不成熟的原因。

这之前的汉语是没有语法的，要说最正宗的是先秦前的古文。秦汉的文章开始有点变调了，就是因为没有语法指导的缘故，导致书面语的用者没有统一的法则可以跟寻。到唐宋8大家的时候，同样一直没有语法指导的缘故，文言文变得更不正宗。但就他们的时代而言，没有人能在文言文的模仿上比他们做的根好。所以还是那他们的作品当作典范。

一个非产简单的例子是先秦的文言文，没有注解很难明白其原意，没有把字句(我手执钢鞭来把你打)，大量的倒装句 ，省主语的句子。到8大家的时候，相信大家对注解的依赖就没有这么强了，多少能看得懂些，加上上下文猜测，基本能理解。

越往后，比如明时代的一些政府公文，就能理解更多，对注解的依赖更少，例子如史可法公传，我个人觉得越往后就越偏向于文言文的白话文。导致这种常达2，3千年的constant的转变，我以为就是因为历史上的中文没有语法指导的缘故，所以先秦前的语言特色无法保留下来。

另外，当时提倡白话文运动的，除了鲁迅，还有个有印象的是胡适，还有些关于他比较白话文和文言文的逸闻。有兴趣可以自己搜索下