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[信息讨论] CMC Markets in Crisis Meeting [复制链接]

退役斑竹

发表于 2008-11-6 14:10 |显示全部楼层
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http://www.compareshares.com.au/case32.php

有谁知道些内部消息吗?
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发表于 2008-11-6 14:11 |显示全部楼层
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Insolvent?!
shit get your money out of there.

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发表于 2008-11-6 14:13 |显示全部楼层
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CMC Markets..gosh...(monkey1)

发表于 2008-11-6 14:13 |显示全部楼层

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IG market is safer i guess, though I don't have any money left in their account

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发表于 2008-11-6 14:21 |显示全部楼层

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Insolvent 不会, 他们是market marker, 风险没有那么大.

只是客户可能去它办公室吵架, 得申请AVO (apprehended violence order), http://www.compareshares.com.au/fras51.php

也可能是裁员, ASIC bans short sell的关系.
做人要厚道,看贴要加分.
澳洲创业故事系列

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发表于 2008-11-6 18:31 |显示全部楼层
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啊, 我还有几十刀在CMC帐户上,赶快拿出来喝早茶也不要便宜了这些人~
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发表于 2008-11-7 08:57 |显示全部楼层
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Update from Australian: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24613351-5012439,00.html

David Trew leaves CMC Markets after overhaul

DAVID Trew, the 35-year-old behind the country's biggest and most controversial contracts for difference provider, CMC Markets, has left his high-flying job as part of a major overhaul of the company, which includes significant job losses to be announced over the next week.

The changes are the latest in a string of casualties in Australia's stockbroking and derivative trading sector as investors dry up, margin calls abound and their skinny balance sheets and high leverage start to catch up with them.

They also come as another contracts for difference (CFD) provider, First Prudential Markets, is being investigated by ASIC over multiple suspect transactions involving possible market manipulation.

A spokesman for First Prudential Markets confirmed the business was in talks with ASIC about certain share trades but refused to comment further.

First Prudential is a prime broking client of Merrill Lynch, which it uses to hedge its over the counter (OTC) CFD transactions, offering massive leverage to retail clients on CFD positions.

A report written by Rebecca Urban in The Australian on October 11 stated that Merrill Lynch was behind a series of single-share trades in at least 20 small companies that were executed late in trading on September 30 -- the last day of the first quarter of the new financial year.

It is understood Merrill Lynch was acting on behalf of First Prudential. In almost all of the transactions, one share was purchased at premium prices and had the effect of boosting the individual stock's closing price on the day. In some instances the share price rose as much as 75 per cent as a result of the CFD trade.

First Prudential is a small CFD provider tha came into being when a team of people from other CFD providers, including CMC, decided to set up their own business.

But CMC remains the country's biggest trader of CFDs -- one of the riskiest financial instruments on the market. They are banned in the US and described by the Australian corporate regulator as more dangerous than a flutter on the horses.

CMC staff were told about Trew's departure, along with an announcement that non-client-facing support functions would be lost, at a meeting at the Intercontinental in Sydney at 2.30pm yesterday.

Trew is understood to have attended the meeting yesterday but packed up his office last Friday.

A decision was made at head office in London a few weeks ago to restructure the reporting lines and reduce Trew's role. The Asia-Pacific region no longer reported to Trew but went directly through London. Trew has been replaced by chief operating officer Barry Odes.

CMC currently has 240 staff in Australia and it is not known how many of these will lose their jobs. What is known is that the cuts will leave CMC as essentially a sales and service business, with IT, finance and other areas expected to now come out of London.

Trew made a fortune from the volatility that has engulfed the financial system this year. He hit the headlines when he bought a $25 million waterfront house in Sydney earlier this year.

He hit the headlines again in June when he took an apprehended violence order out on one of his clients who became frustrated at all the money he had lost on CFDs without fully understanding how they worked.

CFDs are targeted at unsophisticated retail investors through magazine and television ads. They allow investors to bet on rises and falls in shares and indices using borrowed money but, most importantly, earnings and losses can be unlimited.

They are outlawed in the US by the Securities and Exchange Commission because, unlike most other securities such as shares and options, they are traded "off market", which is largely unregulated. The CFD industry estimates that more than $400 billion of CFD trades are carried out each year in the OTC market, and represent about 15 per cent of trades on the equities market.

Despite the recent ban by ASIC on short selling, market makers such as CMC have been able to hedge their position, enabling them to continue doing business as usual.

The concern is that much of what CMC and other CFD providers do is in the OTC market which lacks transparency and regulation.

To put its size in perspective, the OTC market turned over $79.5 trillion in the year to June 30, up 0.5 per cent on the previous year after a 14 per cent rise in 2006, compared with $42 trillion for the total exchange-traded markets, which includes the ASX and the Sydney Futures Exchange.

It is in the OTC market that most of the share price manipulation happens.

Many CFD operators use a similar model to that of collapsed stockbroker Opes Prime, which leaves its clients as unsecured creditors. Some CFD providers utilise client money held in segregated accounts to facilitate hedge transactions in their own name with their prime broker lender and this money is mingled with moneys from other clients of the prime broker, which often includes high-risk hedge funds.

For this reason, it's imperative retail clients read their Product Disclosure Documents closely to ensure they know their position in the event of a catastrophe.
做人要厚道,看贴要加分.
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退役斑竹 2007 年度奖章获得者 2008年度奖章获得者 特殊贡献奖章 参与宝库编辑功臣

发表于 2008-11-7 09:25 |显示全部楼层
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The last bits sound scary to me.

2021年度勋章获得者

发表于 2008-11-7 10:36 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 Devil_Star 于 2008-11-6 19:31 发表
啊, 我还有几十刀在CMC帐户上,赶快拿出来喝早茶也不要便宜了这些人~


不由让我想起了太平天国的口号:“不留一村破布与妖同分”

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退役斑竹

发表于 2008-11-7 20:06 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 Artcore 于 2008-11-6 15:21 发表
Insolvent 不会, 他们是market marker, 风险没有那么大.

只是客户可能去它办公室吵架, 得申请AVO (apprehended violence order), http://www.compareshares.com.au/fras51.php

也可能是裁员, ASIC bans short  ...


真正风险小的DIRECT MARKET ACCESS, CMC不是每笔交易都做对冲的, 和他们的人交流过程中(没十足的证据)我猜测他们经常和客人对赌,这样做风险很大。 最BT的是几个月前他们被人瞬间逮到ASX200 INDEX的SPREAD一度被无提前通知的情况下放大到79, 不够谨慎的人用MARKET ORDER进的话, 瞬间就亏79点。

以前跟了他们半年, 发现很不对劲, 所以换了IG。

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海賊王に俺はなる!
背中の傷は、剣士の恥だ!
生きたいッ!
パンツ見せてもらってもよろしいでしょうか!
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most adaptable to change.
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发表于 2008-11-7 21:23 |显示全部楼层
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楼上各位大虾,麻烦说明白一点,CMCMARKET到底怎么了,俺还有1500刀在里面呢,情况严重吗?拜托拜托:o
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退役斑竹

发表于 2008-11-8 08:12 |显示全部楼层
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具体怎么样要看PDS上是怎么写的, 我记得CMC上说的客户资金是由独立TRUST来管理的, CMC就算关门也不影响客户的资金, 不过我不是律师, 不知道里面还有什么CATCH。
海賊王に俺はなる!
背中の傷は、剣士の恥だ!
生きたいッ!
パンツ見せてもらってもよろしいでしょうか!
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most adaptable to change.
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发表于 2008-11-8 08:33 |显示全部楼层
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真正风险小的DIRECT MARKET ACCESS, CMC不是每笔交易都做对冲的, 和他们的人交流过程中(没十足的证据)我猜测他们经常和客人对赌,这样做风险很大。 最BT的是几个月前他们被人瞬间逮到ASX200 INDEX的SPREAD一度被无提前通知的情况下放大到79, 不够谨慎的人用MARKET ORDER进的话, 瞬间就亏79点。


"瞬间逮到ASX200 INDEX的SPREAD一度被无提前通知的情况下放大到79",这怎么可能实现?请解释一下!
Keep peace but caution...Waiting for the timing...
知识宝库
通过论坛约束自己...锻炼自己...

发表于 2008-11-8 10:59 |显示全部楼层
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我去年开过一帐户, 看看他们的系统确实不太好的. 所以就关了. 他们还很不情愿的.

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发表于 2008-11-8 11:58 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 MingDeng 于 2008-11-8 09:33 发表


"瞬间逮到ASX200 INDEX的SPREAD一度被无提前通知的情况下放大到79",这怎么可能实现?请解释一下!


比如, BUY 4000 SELL 4079, 一接就少了79点。

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