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对房市几点想法, 抛砖引玉 [复制链接]

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需要注意的是以上增长是移民增长为主, 不知道自然出生率怎么样. 澳洲一但收紧移民政策, 还能否达到这个增长数字就未知了. 感觉房市跟人口增长的关系不是非常密切, 西欧一些人口负增长的国家房价也很高, 房价受经济大环境的影响更大一些.
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原帖由 HNREN 于 2007-3-24 22:58 发表
需要注意的是以上增长是移民增长为主, 不知道自然出生率怎么样. 澳洲一但收紧移民政策, 还能否达到这个增长数字就未知了. 感觉房市跟人口增长的关系不是非常密切, 西欧一些人口负增长的国家房价也很高, 房价受经济 ...

我在第3页82楼已经提到过自然出生率,再贴一遍:


经济势头强政府增育儿津贴 澳大利亚迎来婴儿潮


http://www.chinanews.com.cn/gj/yt/news/2006/09-25/795818.shtml



经济势头强政府增育儿津贴 澳大利亚迎来婴儿潮



2006年09月25日 18:44

  
中新社悉尼九月二十五日电 近年来澳大利亚经济发展势头强劲,政府又提升了育儿津贴,由此引发了近三十五年来的新一轮婴儿潮。

澳大利亚统计局今天公布的数字说,去年共有二十六万五千名婴儿出生,为一九七一年以来的新高。

曾向全国夫妇建议每对夫妻生三个孩子的联邦财政部长高德乐高兴地表示,出生率上升反映澳大利亚人对于澳洲未来的信心,并且家庭经济状况稳定。

澳洲国立大学人口学家麦克唐纳预测出生率将企稳。他说,由于经济状况良好,出生率将会等目前出生的新生儿进入学龄方会回落。

目前澳大利亚夫妇生孩子可以申请一笔育儿津贴。官方数字表明,二〇〇五至二〇〇六财年,共有超过二十六万名家长申请育儿津贴。

据测算,澳大利亚目前平均每名育龄妇女有一点七九个孩子,远高于大部分发达国家。




http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/ ... 0456931-948,00.html




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2007 年度奖章获得者 参与宝库编辑功臣 飞天奖章

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Tide turning as property wave prepares to break

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IF YOU'RE one of the many Melbourne investors disappointed in the performance of your residential portfolio over the past few years, you can hardly be blamed for wondering when your luck will turn for the better.

According to figures from the Real Estate Institute of Victoria, the local market grew by an average of just 2.9 per cent a year between 2003 and 2006 — not exactly something to shout about.

However, a deeper analysis of the institute's figures reveals a more accurate and positive scenario.

From 1980 to 2000, the Melbourne residential property market rose by an average of 9.4 per cent per annum. To test this over a more useful time frame (10 years, which is usually the maximum length of a property cycle) we looked at several 10-year periods between 1980 and 2006. No matter which time frame, the average annual growth was always 7 to 10 per cent.

Even in the period 1985 to 1995, during which the nation's economy took a battering in the "recession

we had to have", the average growth for Melbourne residential property was still 7 per cent per year.

In the decade from 1996 to 2006, the market's average annual increase was 8.7 per cent. As previously mentioned, the increase was just 2.9 per cent per year for four of those years (2003 to 2006). During the latter period, the average compound increase underperformed the 10-year average by more than half.

If the residential property market is to remain true to its historical performance and retain its 7 to 10 per cent annual increase for the 10 years from 2003 to 2013 — and we don't see any reason why it wouldn't — compound growth over the next six years must beat the 10-year average by 4 to 7 per cent per year. This means total growth of 11 to 17 per cent per annum.

Can the market deliver? We believe it can.

The residential market is a bit like a rubber band — the longer and more firmly you hold the band back, the further and faster it will move forward when you release the restraint.

In historical terms, four years is a relatively long lay-off time for Melbourne's residential market. We are now seeing signs the market has been held down as far as it can go, and is beginning to rebound.

Melbourne's inner suburbs, where auctions predominate, are a good barometer of market trends. Auctions depend on competition, so the higher the clearance rate, the greater the level of competition.

During February, auction clearance rates were more than 80 per cent; substantially higher than the 60 to 65 per cent in the same month last year.

If this trend continues, it is only a matter of time before the increased competition fuels price rises.

Who is driving this activity? We believe it is two distinct groups — baby boomers downsizing from large family homes, and generation Y DINKS (double income/no kids) focusing on establishing careers and sowing the seeds of financial security before they start their families.

The intriguing thing about the increased competition is that, on the demand side, the Melbourne market is still only flying at half-mast. While second and subsequent home buyers such as the boomers and gen Y are very active, investors are yet to come back into the fray on a large scale.

Once these investors begin to move — most likely in the second half of 2007 and into 2008 — the market will return to full strength and the level of competition will move up another gear.

In this scenario, it's quite feasible that our predictions of 11 to 17 per cent average annual growth will come to pass; generating long-anticipated equity for investors and complementing other asset classes in their portfolio.

Mark Armstrong and David Johnston are directors of Property Planning Australia, which advises on property and finance strategies.


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退役斑竹 2007 年度奖章获得者 2008年度奖章获得者

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原帖由 HNREN 于 2007-3-24 22:58 发表
需要注意的是以上增长是移民增长为主, 不知道自然出生率怎么样. 澳洲一但收紧移民政策, 还能否达到这个增长数字就未知了. 感觉房市跟人口增长的关系不是非常密切, 西欧一些人口负增长的国家房价也很高,
房价受经济大环境的影响更大一些...   


原帖由 astina 于 2007-3-24 23:03 发表
  
Even in the period 1985 to 1995, during which the nation's economy took a battering in the "recession

we had to have", the average growth for Melbourne residential property was still 7 per cent per year.



谢谢as转的这篇今天《The  Age》上的文章,分析透彻,而且基于“数据”,有道理。


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那是不是可以做这样的推断, 随着时间的推移, 房产(带土地所有权)一定是升值的? 不过也有人说过房地产市场也是有周期的.

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在很大程度上和澳洲的税务制度有关系~~
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分析的有效性要看专家系统的响应速度的快慢。

而有些相关的计量模型往往是事后合理化+被利益集团诱导的产物。少考虑一个局限变量结论就完全相反。
All that we know is that we know nothing.

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原帖由 astina 于 2007-3-24 23:03 发表
IF YOU'RE one of the many Melbourne investors disappointed in the performance of your residential portfolio over the past few years, you can hardly be blamed for wondering when your luck will turn  ...



Thanks for joining us.

The writers' argument does make sense if the assumption for this scenario is reliable and realizable.

I notice a figure of 7-10% increase per year if the time frame is one decade. I would like to give another scenario, if the worst case happens---7% increase only, it is still possible that the price will decline.  The main            reason is  that it  increased  at 8.7 %  annually during 1996-2006. If we pick up another time frame , i.e. 1998- 2008, and the lowest increase of 7% per year for a decade, it should be a different story.

Another interesting thing is downsizing, I believe downsizing has a positive effect to supply, esp. the supply of land, but does not surge demand because these people own at least one big propery before they move to a small one.

Any commemnts don't hesitate.

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原帖由 彼岸 于 2007-3-24 22:50 发表


谢谢数子.


昨天我估算了给1.5%, 比维州实际的增长幅度还高了点.

吃喝...TZ的2030规划中提到MELBOURNE 0.8% 的增长率.

还要注意目前的增长是有条件的, 希望政府鼓励生育的奖金还回增加.


After July 1 2004, every family, regardless of income, will receive $3,000 for each new child.

That will rise to $4,000 in 2006 and $5,000 in 2008.


http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1106258.htm
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等待AS的感想

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对于墨尔本的房产市场,‘涨’还是‘跌’,见仁见智。

这种争论其实蛮有意思,大家看涨看跌,各抒己见,但都改变不了事实,让市场来做最后的检验吧。



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我认识一对夫妇开杂货店的,10年前就有20多万的存款,他们听投资专家说买基金是最好的投资,全剖买了基金,他们也看房超过200间.因为他们租的店是上居下店,因此对买房自住没紧迫感,当房价上去了,他们觉得太贵了,肯定会回落的。现在他看着别人住house,心里很不是味道.

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原帖由 austeps_join 于 2007-3-25 10:35 发表
我认识一对夫妇开杂货店的,10年前就有20多万的存款,他们听投资专家说买基金是最好的投资,全剖买了基金,他们也看房超过200间.因为他们租的店是上居下店,因此对买房自住没紧迫感,当房价上去了,他们觉得太贵了,肯定 ...


献身说法, 珍贵.

从长线讲,投资房产是值得的,有点妇孺皆知. 但问题是现在是不是好时机?

需更多的美玉,欢迎更多的人参与. 尤其是近几年买房的网友.

还有,基金的回报怎样? 昨天AS的文章里,8.2% 的回报 1996-2006,MELBOURNE.当然,买到好区,可能是两位数; 区没选好, 低于8.2%. 如果是细腻,有是另一个故事.

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原帖由 austeps_join 于 2007-3-25 10:35 发表
我认识一对夫妇开杂货店的,10年前就有20多万的存款,他们听投资专家说买基金是最好的投资,全剖买了基金,他们也看房超过200间.因为他们租的店是上居下店,因此对买房自住没紧迫感,当房价上去了,他们觉得太贵了,肯定 ...

倒,开杂货店的,这10年多,应该赚了几个20W了吧,呵呵,买房子还愁什么?3