One of my colleagues got $150/hour as contractor

Lovebigcat

I have been working as a full-time technical person in a company for several years and my salary belongs to average Australian level. I am confident about my technical level except for my english . One of my aussie colleagues who is 31 with only 9 years experience, got $150/h salary as contractor for one year! Is he really worthy so much ? I doubted it.  He worked as my team leader 2 years ago and he is the kind of guy who is not good at technical at all but is friendly to everyone, therefore although he doesn't know lots of technical things, he has good relationship with other experts. After working as team leader for 2 years, he requested to become a contractor with 150/h for 1 year, and my company agreed with him !

Therefore, I got my lesson and learn: If you want to get salary about 150k a year, you need to be really good at technical to become principle xx; But if you want to achieve salary above 300k a year, you need to have same english level as native to build up your relationship. Management people get incredible salary even if their work is not so hard as your imagination, since this is Australia, we all have to follow their rules. (This is only for working people like me, not including rich immigrations who don't need to work).

So what should we do to achieve our goals?

[ 本帖最后由 Lovebigcat 于 2012-4-30 21:48 编辑 ]

行者有疆

技术精的永远不会成为领导，你做领导了谁来干活呢

wowmygame

这世界就这样，

jay550

improve you English, learn the art of bullshitting, and you will get there :)

Lovebigcat

Has anyone here already achieved that level?

wulinxiaoxiao

你觉得这很高吗？
这是市场正常价格吧
我以前的同学都300一个小时了
公司想把他转正他都不干

Lovebigcat

Really?  Maybe my revision is too limited to see so far.

As I know, only senior management level can achieve above 300k in my field. Your schoolmate must has something special, could you tell us more  details?

[ 本帖最后由 Lovebigcat 于 2012-4-30 22:28 编辑 ]

Lovebigcat

原帖由 wulinxiaoxiao 于 2012-4-30 22:10 发表
你觉得这很高吗？
这是市场正常价格吧
我以前的同学都300一个小时了
公司想把他转正他都不干

I didn't realize the market price is so high and my salary is so low. 555555555555~~

Ozz

沒有看到大部分的技術職位都是亞洲人嗎? 那是因為大多亞洲人的技術都比較好.
其實在很多地方, 善於搞關係的人都比較容易擠身高層, 那怕他技術比他的下屬還不如, 在國內不都差不多嗎?
只精於技術, 不是不能攀上高薪要職, 但通常限於技術層面上, 給你一個Chief technical xxx, Principal technical xxx等等, 更何況英文不是我們的第一語言, 那就更困難了. 成功例子是很少, 而且都附帶特殊條件.
我們只有面對現實.

Ozz

沒有看到大部分的技術職位都是亞洲人嗎? 那是因為大多亞洲人的技術都比較好.
其實在很多地方, 善於搞關係的人都比較容易擠身高層, 那怕他技術比他的下屬還不如, 在國內不都差不多嗎?
只精於技術, 不是不能攀上高薪要職, 但通常限於技術層面上, 給你一個Chief technical xxx, Principal technical xxx等等, 更何況英文不是我們的第一語言, 那就更困難了. 成功例子是很少, 而且都附帶特殊條件.
我們只有面對現實.

hxsh2000

尝试着把自己从只关注技术方面解脱出来，并开始对身边的人保持兴趣。技术只是工作的一部分，不是全部。当我们开始了解身边的人，并感受到他们的喜怒哀乐的时候，我们也更能发现到他们的优点，并且respect他们。你的colleague原来就已经做到leader了，加上有很好的personality，高层喜欢，好事理所当然的落在他头上。感觉这个不单单是英语的问题，是culture and personality的问题。只要open mind and respect people in all levels，一定能达到你想要的。LZ很幸运，身边有很好的榜样可以学习。祝成功。
让我们在这个国度里好好努力吧。尊重这里的文化，尊敬这里的人，让自己每天过的高兴开心。以这种积极乐观的心态工作，我们一定可以得到我们想要的。共勉。

sunpower

和国内一样

feier97

外来人很难挤进高层

Pipiv

原帖由 hxsh2000 于 2012-5-1 07:19 发表
尝试着把自己从只关注技术方面解脱出来，并开始对身边的人保持兴趣。技术只是工作的一部分，不是全部。当我们开始了解身边的人，并感受到他们的喜怒哀乐的时候，我们也更能发现到他们的优点，并且respect他们。你的colleague原 ...

说得不错

hhjj11

wa~~~can I ask you what is your colleague's profession? So much salary~~

lycans

其实， 人比机器复杂多去了。 和人打交道比编程啥的要难多去了。
一个成功的管理者并不需要有过人的技术， 但一定要善于和人打交道。

T.T

原帖由 Lovebigcat 于 2012-4-30 21:43 发表
I have been working as a full-time technical person in a company for several years and my salary belongs to average Australian level. I am confident about my technical level except for my english . On ...

what is your goal then? 150K+ or 300K+?

Lovebigcat

原帖由 T.T 于 2012-5-1 12:00 发表




what is your goal then? 150K+ or 300K+?

I came to Australia at about 30s, so I am afraid not be able to achieve 300k,but if I really try hard, I have opputunity to achieve 200k when I am 50,which seems too old for most of people and my life is almost finished. 50 is the retired age in china.

Lovebigcat

原帖由 lycans 于 2012-5-1 10:58 发表
其实， 人比机器复杂多去了。 和人打交道比编程啥的要难多去了。
一个成功的管理者并不需要有过人的技术， 但一定要善于和人打交道。

I agreed. For most of us, working on technical is just a access door since we have communication problem. However, social skills can be trained with the improvement of English. I did not have sales experience in china but I worked as customer service for two years, so I think personality could be changed if people really want to change.

It is hard typing from iPhone.

Lovebigcat

原帖由 hxsh2000 于 2012-5-1 07:19 发表
尝试着把自己从只关注技术方面解脱出来，并开始对身边的人保持兴趣。技术只是工作的一部分，不是全部。当我们开始了解身边的人，并感受到他们的喜怒哀乐的时候，我们也更能发现到他们的优点，并且respect他们。你的colleague原 ...

Thanks for advice. I will try harder after submitting my charted paper.

Lovebigcat

原帖由 hhjj11 于 2012-5-1 10:29 发表
wa~~~can I ask you what is your colleague's profession? So much salary~~

We are not mining or construction company, just normal engineering consultant

workflow

原帖由 hxsh2000 于 2012-5-1 07:19 发表
尝试着把自己从只关注技术方面解脱出来，并开始对身边的人保持兴趣。技术只是工作的一部分，不是全部。当我们开始了解身边的人，并感受到他们的喜怒哀乐的时候，我们也更能发现到他们的优点，并且respect他们。你的colleague原 ...

就怕很多人顾此失彼，不管技术还是管理，只要有一个能玩的好，150/hour的rate不敢说，但120+的rate还是很多的

Lovebigcat

原帖由 hxsh2000 于 2012-5-1 07:19 发表
尝试着把自己从只关注技术方面解脱出来，并开始对身边的人保持兴趣。技术只是工作的一部分，不是全部。当我们开始了解身边的人，并感受到他们的喜怒哀乐的时候，我们也更能发现到他们的优点，并且respect他们。你的colleague原 ...

One of the hard parts are when u feel some aussie girls not friendly to u at all, u still have to smile to them. Shit!!

Ozz

Why? what about aussie guys? racism?

yangmww

有些作技术的人总是容易认为自己的头儿不如自己技术强还拿比自己多的钱，这本身就是一个误区。20几岁的时候这样想还可以理解，30多的人要是还这样想就不应该了。

alan2002

Most profession chinese lady I met looks too tough, why not just take easy,  relax and enjoy your life.

liuji1

150这个价钱很正常，很高么？

alan2002

GAO, too GAO...
It is only a dream but hard to reach for me..

yangmww

原帖由 alan2002 于 2012-5-10 13:16 发表
Most profession chinese lady I met looks too tough, why not just take easy,  relax and enjoy your life.

怎么看出来楼主是女的哩？

sanrunning

lz I think you ignored something that team leader is not meant to be better than you on technical stuffs, however he must be far better than you on management stuffs and people skills to negotiate with other teams and make all parties happy should issue raised, it's not as easy as thought, being technical somehow is simpler since you only need to be professional on your area.