聊聊美版《无间道》

水晶靴

有几个地方没有看懂

先说下代号，因为名字都忘了。
黑老大＝尼克尔森演的
头儿＝黄秋生的角色
副手＝头儿的副手
好人＝BILL
坏人＝MATT演的那个

１、黑老大是否是FBI的线人？是否是BILL一定要杀他的主要目的？

２、有一场戏好人BILL在一个人的客厅，朝某人膝盖上轰了一枪，这个人是否之前漏出了黑老大是线人的秘密？

３、副手（他的话几乎没听懂，除了F***G)最后击毙坏人，这算什么？公报私仇？

４、黑老大的情妇是否是卧底或线人？她老是在客厅里，突然沙发上现身，还说是在做QUIET PRACTICE?

５、最后那盘黑老大在电影院录下的对话CD，是不是黑老大情妇给好人的？

６、心理医生怀的孩子是不是好人的？（这个没有细表，没看懂也没关系，我自己八卦而已）

神奇的快沙

是否值得一看？

水晶靴

值得的。
虽然没有了港版的那种细腻的手法，但还是值得一看。很长，看下来不觉得累。
千万不要比较，美版有美版的好，没有那些煽情的细节了，就是干脆利落。

bulaohu

原帖由 水晶靴 于 2006-11-4 14:42 发表
有几个地方没有看懂

先说下代号，因为名字都忘了。
黑老大＝尼克尔森演的
头儿＝黄秋生的角色
副手＝头儿的副手
好人＝BILL
坏人＝MATT演的那个

１、黑老大是否是FBI的线人？是否是BILL一定要杀他的主 ...

俺刚刚看完，试着来回答一下：

１、黑老大是否是FBI的线人？是否是BILL一定要杀他的主要目的？

Yes, Frank Costello is a FBI informant. But he probably will only sell other criminal families to the FBI. He didn't sell Colin Sullivan. However Colin got nervous and whacked him. I don't think Billy was sent to kill Frank. Billy is an undercover cop, not a killer.

２、有一场戏好人BILL在一个人的客厅，朝某人膝盖上轰了一枪，这个人是否之前漏出了黑老大是线人的秘密？

That's right, he said Frank worked for FBI. Billy was shocked. He then told Queenan about this because it gets him worried about his own cover.

３、副手（他的话几乎没听懂，除了F***G)最后击毙坏人，这算什么？公报私仇？

Yes that's a pay back. He's the only one (apart from the police shrink) who knows about the truth. I would have done the same. It seems the shrink couldn't do it - she heard the tape, she had Bill's envelope, she even shagged Billy once; but she couldn't report Colin because of the baby.

４、黑老大的情妇是否是卧底或线人？她老是在客厅里，突然沙发上现身，还说是在做QUIET PRACTICE?

No she's not, it seems to me that she's only a vase. And she said "Choir practise", not Quiet.

５、最后那盘黑老大在电影院录下的对话CD，是不是黑老大情妇给好人的？

Frank's lawyer gave these tapes to Bill. His lawyer must had instructions. And Frank knew too well that if he dies, he probably will be killed by his own rat.

６、心理医生怀的孩子是不是好人的？（这个没有细表，没看懂也没关系，我自己八卦而已）

Don't know... Only know that's a boy...but possibly yes, in the movie it's mentioned more than once that Colin has erection problem.

I tried real hard to forget the HongKong version before watching this one. And it does turn out to be an excellent movie, apart from the shitty part that the Chinese government would buy these microchips from a gangster - why they have to pick on China - my middle finger to the producer, Brad Pitt. This rat, along with his ckskr friend Richard Gere, are just not gonna stop.

I know many people on this forum can't stand dirty words, but unfortunately that's just reality in the western world. The average education level in my company is probably Master+ but I hear these words everyday, and I talk like that too. I'm sure it's even more common in the police department - people there face life or death situations every day. So this movie feels true and authentic to me, with people in it talking in such a way. I would feel it totally crappy if they talk like school teachers, or like in the HK version. Everyone can choose his own language and way of life, but hey it doesn't hurt just try to feel and understand that of those who are different.

This is a powerful movie which deserves its very high mark on imdb.com.

[ 本帖最后由 bulaohu 于 2006-11-4 20:26 编辑 ]

perfume

觉得太过于紧凑了些,把三集的内容都合成一集了...

mcdull122

其中有个在那次天台活动里中枪死去的小混混，似乎是另一个警察卧底。
他在临死前不是说，他把门牌号码说错了，但只有bill一个人出现在正确的地方。

bulaohu

原帖由 mcdull122 于 2006-11-4 19:57 发表
其中有个在那次天台活动里中枪死去的小混混，似乎是另一个警察卧底。
他在临死前不是说，他把门牌号码说错了，但只有bill一个人出现在正确的地方。

basicaly right...the other criminals all know the correct address because Frank told them directly, and they're all together; Billy is the only one getting notified on the phone because he's left the place. Probably Frank asked the guy to give Billy a wrong address?

eshao

看了，好电影。
很喜欢开会对骂那段。没想到玩笑能开到自己父母头上。。。。。。
马丁，西科塞思将无间道的故事搬道了美国。Jack的演技确实已经炉火纯青了，角色很有张力，令人信服。

推荐！

水晶靴

原帖由 mcdull122 于 2006-11-4 19:57 发表
其中有个在那次天台活动里中枪死去的小混混，似乎是另一个警察卧底。
他在临死前不是说，他把门牌号码说错了，但只有bill一个人出现在正确的地方。

他不是卧底，我觉得。他是故意说错的，这样可以证明BILL是卧底。结果BILL很震惊，几乎掏枪做点什么，结果那个人自己死了。

谁指使他这么做的？影片没表，或我漏听了。

水晶靴

原帖由 perfume 于 2006-11-4 19:45 发表
觉得太过于紧凑了些,把三集的内容都合成一集了...

其实看到最后COLIN被击毙时，我反而笑出来了。突兀，效果很奇特。

水晶靴

原帖由 bulaohu 于 2006-11-4 19:33 发表


俺刚刚看完，试着来回答一下：

１、黑老大是否是FBI的线人？是否是BILL一定要杀他的主要目的？

Yes, Frank Costello is a FBI informant. But he probably will only sell other criminal families to the FBI. He didn't sell Colin Sullivan. However Colin got nervous and whacked him. I don't think Billy was sent to kill Frank. Billy is an undercover cop, not a killer.

２、有一场戏好人BILL在一个人的客厅，朝某人膝盖上轰了一枪，这个人是否之前漏出了黑老大是线人的秘密？

That's right, he said Frank worked for FBI. Billy was shocked. He then told Queenan about this because it gets him worried about his own cover.

３、副手（他的话几乎没听懂，除了F***G)最后击毙坏人，这算什么？公报私仇？

Yes that's a pay back. He's the only one (apart from the police shrink) who knows about the truth. I would have done the same. It seems the shrink couldn't do it - she heard the tape, she had Bill's envelope, she even shagged Billy once; but she couldn't report Colin because of the baby.

４、黑老大的情妇是否是卧底或线人？她老是在客厅里，突然沙发上现身，还说是在做QUIET PRACTICE?

No she's not, it seems to me that she's only a vase. And she said "Choir practise", not Quiet.

５、最后那盘黑老大在电影院录下的对话CD，是不是黑老大情妇给好人的？

Frank's lawyer gave these tapes to Bill. His lawyer must had instructions. And Frank knew too well that if he dies, he probably will be killed by his own rat.

６、心理医生怀的孩子是不是好人的？（这个没有细表，没看懂也没关系，我自己八卦而已）

Don't know... Only know that's a boy...but possibly yes, in the movie it's mentioned more than once that Colin has erection problem.

I tried real hard to forget the HongKong version before watching this one. And it does turn out to be an excellent movie, apart from the shitty part that the Chinese government would buy these microchips from a gangster - why they have to pick on China - my middle finger to the producer, Brad Pitt. This rat, along with his ckskr friend Richard Gere, are just not gonna stop.

I know many people on this forum can't stand dirty words, but unfortunately that's just reality in the western world. The average education level in my company is probably Master+ but I hear these words everyday, and I talk like that too. I'm sure it's even more common in the police department - people there face life or death situations every day. So this movie feels true and authentic to me, with people in it talking in such a way. I would feel it totally crappy if they talk like school teachers, or like in the HK version. Everyone can choose his own language and way of life, but hey it doesn't hurt just try to feel and understand that of those who are different.

This is a powerful movie which deserves its very high mark on imdb.com.

你犀利！连CHOIR都能听懂。我真是没脸见人了！

这部片子，正是这些没听懂的部分，让我觉得和原版不一样，是美版的精采之处。
中国人买卖芯片那一部份。我一直不明白为什么好莱坞的电影，如果讲到中国人，他们肯定讲广东话；一讲广东话，总是大乡里的口音。难道找不到几个讲纯正广东话口音的人吗？

BRAD PITT做监制，老有面子的。。。

关于粗口，这片子可以和SCARFACE比来。

bulaohu

原帖由 水晶靴 于 2006-11-7 10:35 发表


他不是卧底，我觉得。他是故意说错的，这样可以证明BILL是卧底。结果BILL很震惊，几乎掏枪做点什么，结果那个人自己死了。

谁指使他这么做的？影片没表，或我漏听了。

谢谢水晶靴夸奖。。。这个人死掉后电视上公开证实了他是个卧底警察。我想他也希望摸清楚另外一个卧底到底是谁，以免误伤；而Billy的嫌疑最大，又正好有这样一个机会，所以就来了这么一手。。。所以他知道自己要死了的时候告诉了Billy他已经知道Billy是卧底了。。。然后就带着这个秘密挂掉了。。。

[ 本帖最后由 bulaohu 于 2006-11-7 11:39 编辑 ]

水晶靴

原帖由 bulaohu 于 2006-11-7 11:38 发表


谢谢水晶靴夸奖。。。这个人死掉后电视上公开证实了他是个卧底警察。我想他也希望摸清楚另外一个卧底到底是谁，以免误伤；而Billy的嫌疑最大，又正好有这样一个机会，所以就来了这么一手。。。所以他知道自己 ...

布老虎故意卖我个破绽吧！
那个死的还是坏人，电视新闻是警察故意放的烟雾，我一直这么认为的。很明显的要帮BILL嘛。

baolqun

看了10分钟就关掉了...

cattor

didn't finish downloading yet. looking forward to watching.