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发表于 2011-10-11 14:45 |显示全部楼层
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他们想要什么。。。。。。。如果象击垮你,,直接就挤垮了,,,,为什么还要威胁。。。。。

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发表于 2011-10-11 14:52 |显示全部楼层

回复 11124 3# 帖子

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商战,价格战,卖血伤人,没办法的。

发表于 2011-10-11 14:53 |显示全部楼层
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如果没录音什么证据,,没办法的,,别人事后不承认,你能把别人怎么样,,当然如果有证据就不一样了,,

可以告他们,,,,,,,,

不过,就算你告他们也拖不起,,,,时间,财力,,


最好的就是以不变应万变,,先看看

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这算是威胁么?他们只是说的话?

他们想怎么卖就怎么卖咯, 是他们的店
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发表于 2011-10-11 14:57 |显示全部楼层
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这算什么威胁……

发表于 2011-10-11 14:58 |显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-10-11 15:03 |显示全部楼层
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低于成本? 那就是说低于你的进价了,他家卖多少,你就买多少好了,不用担心

发表于 2011-10-11 15:03 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 11124 于 2011-10-11 15:58 发表
他们这样做算不正当竞争吗?有懂这方面法律的吗?

根本不算不正当竞争,,,


商业竞争本来就是这样的,,,,,你说什么叫正当的,什么叫不正当的,,他们店大,从WHOLESALE里拿货本来就比你便宜,,比你更便宜的价格卖是正常的。。。。

这和买菜一样的,你买菜,你还看不同的家,买便宜的,,,,价格不同,一把菜也差几毛钱,,,那卖贵的那一家,能说,卖便宜的那一家不正当竞争?


前提是你怎么证明他们不正当竞争呢,,,,,,,
你说他威胁你,你要能拿的出证据,,不然,别人还说你威胁他呢,,,,

退役斑竹 2008年度奖章获得者

发表于 2011-10-11 15:03 |显示全部楼层
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你打官司的钱比你赚的钱还多
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发表于 2011-10-11 15:06 |显示全部楼层
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这不是威胁吧

是商业行为,也许涉及不正当竞争,你有证据吗

发表于 2011-10-11 15:10 |显示全部楼层
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证明第一条,如果能证明他们是低于成本销售的呢? 没用,,他们可以说是短时间促销,,

第二条就很有用,,,“能证明他们直接威胁要用低于成本价格销售挤垮我们呢?”

发表于 2011-10-11 15:11 |显示全部楼层
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2007 年度奖章获得者

发表于 2011-10-11 15:12 |显示全部楼层
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很同情LZ的处境,但这是商战的一部分...
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原帖由 11124 于 2011-10-11 16:11 发表


如果第二条能证明,怎么告,能告出来一个什么样的结果呢?


不会有太好的结果,,只能惩罚他以后不要威胁你而已。。。。。。并不能阻止他继续用底价格卖东西。

因为,他们犯法的是威胁,,不是低价销售。。。。。

发表于 2011-10-11 15:16 |显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-10-11 15:16 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 11124 于 2011-10-11 16:11 发表


如果第二条能证明,怎么告,能告出来一个什么样的结果呢?



楼主期望一个设么样的结果? your competitor leave you alone and walk away?

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发表于 2011-10-11 15:18 |显示全部楼层
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开店,一定要对周围情况有所了解,,你说就在SAFEWAY 旁边开个MILKBAR,,那MILKBAR能告SAFEWAY 低价销售吗,

发表于 2011-10-11 15:18 |显示全部楼层
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我觉得这是正常的商业竞争
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2007 年度奖章获得者

发表于 2011-10-11 15:19 |显示全部楼层
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证明第二条有什么用??人家低成本格销售就是想消灭竞争对手,人家白送你都没办法。这个不是国际贸易

在国际贸易中,有的国家为了保护自己的利益,会禁止别的国家倾销。

国内贸易好像没有禁止倾销一说。相反,国内贸易会鼓励竞争,禁止垄断和寡头存在。
C.B

发表于 2011-10-11 15:19 |显示全部楼层
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没有办法,只能说对方商德差

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发表于 2011-10-11 15:21 |显示全部楼层
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先告诉我,你们卖什么的?

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可能可以告,根据new section 46 of the Trade Practices Act
看这里自己研究
http://www.claytonutz.com/public ... eavy_penalties.page
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发表于 2011-10-11 15:24 |显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-10-11 15:25 |显示全部楼层
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New Amendments to Section 46 of the Trade Practices Act and Predatory Pricing


by KEVIN ELKINGTON
- 4th December 2007
BACKGROUND


In response to concerns from small business, the Federal Government in June 2007 introduced a Bill to amend Section 46 of the Trade Practices Act. As it previously existed, Section 46 prohibited a corporation with substantial market power from taking advantage of its market power for an anti-competitive purpose.

One of the major intentions of Section 46 as it formerly existed, was to prevent a major player in a market engaging in “below cost pricing” with the intention of driving out a competitor - a practice known as “predatory pricing”. However, a string of unsuccessful court cases commenced by the ACCC (relying on Section 46) led to repeated calls by the small business lobby to give the Section more teeth and provide greater protection for small business operators.

The Federal Government was unable to pass its amending Bill without the support of Senator Barnaby Joyce who negotiated with the Government to bring about an amendment to Section 46 which has become known as the “Birdsville Amendment”.

AMENDMENT TO SECTION 46

The relevant amendment to Section 46 reads as follows:

“(1AA) A corporation that has a substantial share of a market must not supply, or offer to supply, goods or services for a sustained period at a price that is less than the relevant cost to the corporation of supplying such goods or services, for the purpose of:
•(a) eliminating or substantially damaging a competitor of the corporation or of a body corporate that is related to the corporation in that or any other market; or
•(b) preventing the entry of a person into that or any other market; or
•(c) deterring or preventing a person from engaging in competitive conduct in that or any other market.


(1AB) For the purposes of subsection (1AA), without limiting the matters to which the Court may have regard for the purpose of determining whether a corporation has a substantial share of a market, the Court may have regard to the number and size of the competitors of the corporation in the market”.


As a result of the “Birdsville Amendment”, the key elements which are required to be proved in any action alleging “predatory pricing” under Section 46 have been changed as follows:




Former Section 46

New Section 46



•the offending party must have substantial market power,
•the conduct complained of is taking advantage of that power, and
•there must be a proscribed purpose for the conduct e.g damaging a competitor / preventing entry into a market

•the offending party must have a “substantial share of the market”,
•the predatory pricing being complained of must be at a price “less than the relevant cost”,
•the pricing conduct must be for a sustained period, and
•there must be a proscribed purpose for the conduct e.g damaging a competitor / preventing entry into a market



EFFECT OF THE AMENDMENT

Certain commentators have made the point that because the new Section 46 does not define terms such as “relevant cost” and “sustained period”, one of the unintended consequences of the new law will be fresh uncertainty and this uncertainty will bring with it a cost to consumers - that cost being a lessening of competitive pricing. Only time will tell whether this is true or not, but from the explanatory memorandum and second reading speech accompanying the new amendment, it is reasonable to suggest the following:
•genuine efficiency pricing decisions such as clearance sales, using low prices to induce customers to try a new product or matching a competitor’s low prices will not be affected by the new law;
•pricing wars” which break out immediately upon the entry of a new player in a market will attract closer scrutiny from the ACCC and such behaviour may be harder to justify;
•the practice of “loss leader” selling products below cost over a long period of time with the intention of attracting people in the knowledge that they will often buy other products could be a problem under the new law, if that action can be linked to being directed at a particular competitor;
•the new element of a corporation holding “a substantial share of the market” will mean the Courts are now not bound to consider such factors as whether there are low barriers to entry or whether a corporation has “market power” in coming to a conclusion as to whether a corporation (whose behaviour is being complained of) does in fact have that share of the market, ie. the test will be much simpler; and
•while new Section 46 (1AB) states that a Court “may have regard to the number and size of the competitors of the corporation in the market” in determining whether a corporation has a substantial share of the market (ie. it is not mandatory), the reality is that in most industries the Court will have no choice but to look at the number and the size of the competitors in that market to see if that test is met.

In short, there can be no doubt that that there will be an increased focus by the Courts on the “purpose” element in any matter before it which alleges predatory pricing. This brings with it an increased risk for corporations who enjoy substantial market share (ie. medium to large market share) and regularly engage in discounting items below cost – especially in those markets where there are a number of smaller competitors or from time to time new entrants.

Corporations in this position are strongly advised to take greater care in documenting and recording an audit trail to detail the legitimate commercial reasons for it engaging in unusually low pricing conduct. More importantly, of course, is the need to ensure that the rationale for those pricing decisions is legitimate.

If you would like any further information in relation to these amendments, please do not hesitate to contact Kevin Elkington.

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发表于 2011-10-11 15:25 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 11124 于 2011-10-11 16:19 发表


我们希望良性竞争。他们要低于成本来甩卖,挤垮我们。我们规模比他们小很多,是他们想独霸市场。




理解楼主的意愿,可惜"良性竞争"不是单方面define的, 你分了对手的一杯羹,而且有可能是挺大的一杯,价格战再所难免...

发表于 2011-10-11 15:27 |显示全部楼层
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你可以先告CUNCIL,他们批准同类型竞争的店进到同一条街上,前提是你先开业的。

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