457-856/121签证有问必答

Tissot

刚刚拿到856签证，全程自己办理，有对这个签证有疑惑的欢迎提问，只要我知道的信息一定会分享。

kieren

请问花了多长时间办出856的，从递交完整材料那天算起？

Tissot

原帖由 kieren 于 2011-3-18 10:03 发表
请问花了多长时间办出856的，从递交完整材料那天算起？

花了我5个月加17天。我是在parramatta申请的，是几个审批中心最慢的，其它几个要快好多。

kieren

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-18 10:08 发表

花了我5个月加17天。我是在parramatta申请的，是几个审批中心最慢的，其它几个要快好多。

谢谢回答.
那看来我还要耐心等等,递好材料还没到四个月呢,也是parramatta。不过不是自己办，是用了中介的，中介说快慢完全靠运气，她那里交出去的材料，有比我晚交的却已经批出来的。

kieren

再请问LZ，在申请过程中，能自己查询到审批进度吗？怎么查？
还是只能傻傻的等啊等。

Tissot

我是自己办的，过程中只能傻等，中介也是一样，貌似没有查询审批进度的地方。
从网上一些论坛大体可以推测审批进度，但只是一般情况，具体到每个人谁也无法预料：）
快慢完全靠运气的说法有失偏颇，除了个别行业具有优先审批权（如医生护士）和某些被安排额外审查外，基本 上还是按照时间顺序来的。

yajiya

在大陆，完全没有海外经验，想去澳洲工作，有办法没？雅思准备中。目标能考6.5到7吧。

kieren

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-18 12:10 发表
我是自己办的，过程中只能傻等，中介也是一样，貌似没有查询审批进度的地方。
从网上一些论坛大体可以推测审批进度，但只是一般情况，具体到每个人谁也无法预料：）
快慢完全靠运气的说法有失偏颇，除了个别行业具有优先审批权（如医生护士）和某些被安排额外审查外，基本 上还是按照时间顺序来的。

再次感谢。看来只能耐心地傻等了。

Tissot

原帖由 yajiya 于 2011-3-18 12:43 发表
在大陆，完全没有海外经验，想去澳洲工作，有办法没？雅思准备中。目标能考6.5到7吧。

最好的途径就是自己找到澳洲的雇主担保，可以很容易、很快申请到457签证。来澳洲后可以申请856/121签证。457签证的英语要求是四个5.
也有一些中介可以帮办457，可以在网上搜一下，我记得freespirit好像有类似服务的，你可以自己查查看www.freespirit.com.au。

yajiya

恩，我看了下457签证的要求，好像是要先去偏远地区，然后我是搞IT的，不晓得这所谓偏远地方IT工作好找不。

tiffanygz

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-18 10:08 发表

花了我5个月加17天。我是在parramatta申请的，是几个审批中心最慢的，其它几个要快好多。

If your application is a "decision-ready (complete)" application, you can ask a registered migration agent to lodge the case fo you, it will only take about 1-3 weeks.

we had lodged more than 20 applications, all approved in 10 days the most. The quickest one was approved in 5 working days.

tiffanygz

原帖由 kieren 于 2011-3-18 11:32 发表
再请问LZ，在申请过程中，能自己查询到审批进度吗？怎么查？
还是只能傻傻的等啊等。

were you referring to the 457 or 856?
if it's 457, and your application was logded online, you can check the status at any time.

tiffanygz

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-18 12:10 发表
我是自己办的，过程中只能傻等，中介也是一样，貌似没有查询审批进度的地方。
从网上一些论坛大体可以推测审批进度，但只是一般情况，具体到每个人谁也无法预料：）
快慢完全靠运气的说法有失偏颇，除了个别行业具有优先审批权（如医生护士）和某些被安排额外审查外，基本 上还是按照时间顺序来的。

it usually depends on Case Officers.

tiffanygz

原帖由 yajiya 于 2011-3-18 12:43 发表
在大陆，完全没有海外经验，想去澳洲工作，有办法没？雅思准备中。目标能考6.5到7吧。

457 does not require you to have overseas employment experience
and IELTS, only some certain occupations need that

tiffanygz

原帖由 yajiya 于 2011-3-19 13:45 发表
恩，我看了下457签证的要求，好像是要先去偏远地区，然后我是搞IT的，不晓得这所谓偏远地方IT工作好找不。

457 has nothing to do with remoted area requirement.

tiffanygz

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-18 10:08 发表

花了我5个月加17天。我是在parramatta申请的，是几个审批中心最慢的，其它几个要快好多。

yes, the Melbourne one is much quicker, however you can't choose which business centre you lodge your application with - as it depends on where the sponsoring employer's head office is. They have different business centres dealing with different location applications.

Tissot

原帖由 yajiya 于 2011-3-19 13:45 发表
恩，我看了下457签证的要求，好像是要先去偏远地区，然后我是搞IT的，不晓得这所谓偏远地方IT工作好找不。

457签证没有偏远地区的限制或者要求，你应该是错以为是其他类别的签证了。相反，457签证去偏远地区的相对较少。

Tissot

原帖由 tiffanygz 于 2011-3-19 14:36 发表


If your application is a "decision-ready (complete)" application, you can ask a registered migration agent to lodge the case fo you, it will only take about 1-3 weeks.

we had lodged more than 20 ap ...

我递交申请的时候还没有这个所谓的decision-ready的东东呢。

Tissot

原帖由 tiffanygz 于 2011-3-19 14:38 发表


457 does not require you to have overseas employment experience
and IELTS, only some certain occupations need that

tiffanygz真的是注册的移民中介吗？如果是的话出这么明显的错误就像是故意误导人了，457不要雅思？看看移民局网站的要求：
Most primary applicants who are sponsored by a standard business sponsor must
demonstrate that their level of English proficiency is equivalent to an IELTS test score of
at least 5 in each of the 4 test components of speaking, reading, writing and listening.

tiffanygz

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-19 20:21 发表

我递交申请的时候还没有这个所谓的decision-ready的东东呢。

true...

tiffanygz

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-19 20:31 发表

tiffanygz真的是注册的移民中介吗？如果是的话出这么明显的错误就像是故意误导人了，457不要雅思？看看移民局网站的要求：
Most primary applicants who are sponsored by a standard business sponsor must
demonstrate th ...

I am not a registered migration agent, but i am studying to be one.
Our first class, the teacher has already taught us you can't rely on the immigration department for information - that's only for the general public, and most of the time it doesn't cover all aspects.
I don't have the need to mislead people - what's in for me?
I can give you an example, i deal with 457 visas every single day, i lodge at least 30 applications every month - 99.5% of them don't need to submit IELTS results. I can easily give you at least five occupations which do not need IELTS results...
If you want, i can quote the Migration Regulations for you - we never rely on the information provided by the immigration department.
If we quote the information from the Immigration Department website in our assignment or exam, we will lose half the score - so you know how inaccurate and incomplete their information is...sometimes...

tiffanygz

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-19 20:31 发表

tiffanygz真的是注册的移民中介吗？如果是的话出这么明显的错误就像是故意误导人了，457不要雅思？看看移民局网站的要求：
Most primary applicants who are sponsored by a standard business sponsor must
demonstrate th ...

and don't worry, i am not trying to grab any business here...
our company don't deal with individual clients, only corporate client :si79

tiffanygz

and actually don't trust the "registered" migration agents too much..
there are so many dodgy ones in China Town, who are registered but provide inaccurate information for people..
i only replied in this post because i deal with 457/856 visas every day, and i saw sth you haven't covered, that's why i said sth - if you don't like it, i will dissappear :si1

kieren

原帖由 tiffanygz 于 2011-3-20 10:16 发表


true...

那请问这个＂decision ready＂的说法是什么时候开始有的呢？是不是最近才有的啊？那么对以前交进去的怎么处理呢？觉得挺不公平的。我们是去年底lodge的材料，从来没听中介提过啊，说到的移民局确认收到材料的信上是说最长七个月审批时间。

另外关于雅思，我们申请457的时候确实没要考，身边不少人拿457的也没考，好像是根据什么规定可以豁免的。不过在申请856的时候还是要考的，4个5就行，中介说现在要豁免比较麻烦。

tiffanygz

I forgot exactly when this "decision-ready" happened, but i believe definitely before January. The applications submitted before will still have the old processing time.

regarding the 856 IELTS, most of the applications we have submitted, we usually just submitted the evidence of either his degree was obtained in an English-speaking university, or he has worked in an English-speaking environment long enough, to prove his/her English level.

Tissot

我印象中decision ready应该是去年10月份前后搞的东东。
关于856/121签证，我获得信息的途径主要是britishexpats论坛，那里有一个关于856/121签证timeline的一个很长很长的帖子，数百页之长，有数百人在那里分享自己856/121的申请进程。从这些真实、自愿分享的信息里面我们可以试图去发掘自己需要的信息，这些信息应该比一些统计数字更有价值。

Tissot

原帖由 tiffanygz 于 2011-3-20 10:21 发表


I am not a registered migration agent, but i am studying to be one.
Our first class, the teacher has already taught us you can't rely on the immigration department for information - that's only for  ...

你的99.5%的数字没有任何意义。
我们这里讨论这个问题有一个前提：我们是针对我们中国人自己而言的。关于雅思，本来就是针对非英语背景的人而搞出的东西。如果你提交的申请都是英国美国来的，那很明显100%是不用雅思的。但中国来的呢？当然有豁免的情况，但大多还是搞一个雅思轻松了事了，何况只是四个5的要求大多人都是轻轻松松的。

tiffanygz

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-20 12:26 发表

你的99.5%的数字没有任何意义。
我们这里讨论这个问题有一个前提：我们是针对我们中国人自己而言的。关于雅思，本来就是针对非英语背景的人而搞出的东西。如果你提交的申请都是英国美国来的，那很明显100%是不用雅思的。但中国来的呢？当然有豁免的情况，但大多还是搞一个雅思轻松了事了，何况只是四个5的要求大多人都是轻轻松松的。

there are only five countries who are considered to be "English-speaking countries":
Ireland, US, UK, Canada and NZ
I have done cases of Chinese passport-holders, and numerous Asian passport-holder applicants as well...it depends on your nominated occupations, not where you are from
i was just simply saying that...don't rely on the immigration department information, and i was not saying about any statistics, the immigration department information cannot override Migration Act 1958 and Migration Regulations 1994.

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tiffanygz

原帖由 Tissot 于 2011-3-20 12:19 发表
我印象中decision ready应该是去年10月份前后搞的东东。
关于856/121签证，我获得信息的途径主要是britishexpats论坛，那里有一个关于856/121签证timeline的一个很长很长的帖子，数百页之长，有数百人在那里分享自己856/121的申请进程。从这些真实、自愿分享的信息里面我们可以试图去发掘自己需要的信息，这些信息应该比一些统计数字更有价值。

i was not saying you were wrong, but i was just saying the accusations you had for me was wrong...that's it...
i did not mislead people, i said having IELTS or not depends on your nominated occupation (of course it also depends on which country you are from), which is true...

[ 本帖最后由 tiffanygz 于 2011-3-20 14:03 编辑 ]

yajiya

i am a IT guy, a software developer. so i am afraid that IELTS is required.