SCII Patch 1.1 今晚

dalaohu

大概 8pm 左右 開始
Terran們， nerf 就要來啦！

Patch notes: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/692221

dalaohu

Maps

We're going to be adding destructible rocks to the Desert Oasis map to make natural expansions easier to protect. In addition, the center map watchtower area is being narrowed.

Protoss

We have two key changes in mind for the zealot: the build time is being increased from 33 to 38 seconds, and the warpgate cooldown is being increased from 23 to 28 seconds. Zealot rushes are currently too powerful at various skill levels, particularly those that rely on rapidly assaulting an enemy base from nearby "proxy" gateways. We feel the window players have to scout for and fend off this rush is too small. We also want to address the problem of protoss being able to dump minerals a bit too quickly with the combination of warpgates and Chrono Boost.

Terran

There are several changes in the works for terrans. Reapers against zerg are stronger than expected. Due to the zealot build time increase, reapers would be a bit problematic in combination with proxy barracks, bunkers, and/or marauders against protoss. Therefore, we have decided to increase the build time of reapers as well from 40 to 45 seconds. Fast reaper + bunker, or fast marine + bunker rushes are problematic against zerg. Although this rush would never outright destroy the zerg player, we feel zerg suffers too much of a disadvantage from either having to cancel the fast expansion, or getting trapped inside the main base for too long, so we are also increasing the bunker build time from 30 to 35 seconds.

Siege tanks in large numbers are performing too well in all matchups. In the mid- to late-game, siege tanks are too dominant against all ground units. We want a small set of light and unarmored ground units to perform better against siege tanks. With this in mind, we're changing the Siege Mode damage of the siege tank from 50 to 35, +15 vs. armored; to correspond with this, damage upgrades will be changed from +5 to +3, +2 vs. armored. This change reduces the base damage of the siege tank against light and unarmored units, as well as the splash damage.

Battlecruisers currently lack good counters from the ground and still perform very well against a wide array of unit types. We're aware that it is not easy to get battlecruisers out for the cost, but at the same time, it is possible in both 1v1s and team games to create stalemate situations to bring them out. Overall, we feel that battlecruisers are too strong for their cost, and the terran-forced stalemate situations are causing less interesting gameplay. We will be lowering their damage against ground units from 10 to 8.

Zerg

Ultralisk damage is being decreased from 15, +25 vs. armored to 15, +20 vs. armored. This reduction is comparable to the changes being made to the battlecruiser and siege tank. Like the battlecruiser, ultralisks are simply too powerful for the cost, even though they are difficult to muster. Also, in combination with other units, ultralisks are difficult to counter from the ground. The ultralisk building attack (Ram) is being removed because the damage rate is too similar to its normal attack, which will be used against buildings instead. When ultralisks target tightly packed smaller buildings such as supply depots, the Ram attack is actually outputting considerably less overall damage than its normal attack, as Ram only hits a single target.

北风

应该把protoss的地堡建造时间也增加5秒

原帖由 dalaohu 于 21/9/2010 10:33 发表
Maps

We're going to be adding destructible rocks to the Desert Oasis map to make natural expansions easier to protect. In addition, the center map watchtower area is being narrowed.

Protoss

We have ...

熏肉大饼

瓦凉瓦凉的，terran不是翘了？

dalaohu

原帖由 北风 于 2010-9-21 10:37 发表
应该把protoss的地堡建造时间也增加5秒

haha, 梅花依然盛放。

不過zealot的生產實踐從23秒增加到28秒。
兵營 和 Chrono Boost. 的cool down 也增加了一點。

組要是防止zealot rush。

Terran的seige tank 和 battle cruiser 都要削弱了。

dalaohu

原帖由 熏肉大饼 于 2010-9-21 10:40 发表
瓦凉瓦凉的，terran不是翘了？

也不會拉， terran 是目前公認overpower 的。

o2h2o

terran 削弱最大
海陆空全被削弱了

tango

需要削弱的：
人族的掠夺者 reaper（出的太快了  应该附加科技建筑）
虫的飞龙  纯飞龙打神感觉无解

神族的stalker 感觉很无力

blk25t

飞龙再弱虫子们就可以去打酱油了。stalker怕的是狗不是飞龙。

dalaohu

神族前期挺弱的。 一定要中後期高級兵種配合。

terran 的確比較不平衡，爆marine, stim pack + drop ship, 其他都不要了就很dominate中前期。

老家能飛，搶礦也很有優勢還不容易被攻擊。 而且terran的防守太強了。 光老家升級到加農炮， 沒有15個以上的stalker根本打不掉。

tango

原帖由 blk25t 于 2010-9-21 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              2010-9-21 11      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:49 发表
飞龙再弱虫子们就可以去打酱油了。stalker怕的是狗不是飞龙。

stalker 除了机枪没有不怕的。。。哦 还有Viking

神族还真没什么单位可以对抗高人口纯飞龙的。以前的白球可以片伤，现在还不如把拿300气造点其他东西，造6个stalker也比他强

dalaohu

原帖由 tango 于 2010-9-21 11:57 发表



stalker 除了机枪没有不怕的。。。哦 还有Viking

神族还真没什么单位可以对抗高人口纯飞龙的。以前的白球可以片伤，现在还不如把拿300气造点其他东西，造6个stalker也比他强 ...

神族對空很有問題， 只有靠stalker + high templer， 但high templer移動太慢了， 蟲子爆飛龍的話， protoss 比較頭疼的。

tango

还有 传说今天晚上我们澳版用户可以连北美战网了？

北风

不是传说，是真的
不过要注册

北风

http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/72596#blog

dalaohu

有何現實意義嗎？ 除了你有朋友在北美想一起玩。

新风雨

神族可以在你眼皮底下在你家里造兵营rush，你一点办法没有

dalaohu

原帖由 新风雨 于 2010-9-21 14:02 发表
神族可以在你眼皮底下在你家里造兵营rush，你一点办法没有

神要出一個兵， 要2樣東西， 人只要一個兵營就出兵了。 開梅花你防不住有情可原，造兵rush你也防不住那是你出兵太慢

realfenglin

原帖由 新风雨 于 2010-9-21 14:02 发表
神族可以在你眼皮底下在你家里造兵营rush，你一点办法没有

难道是梅花边上出兵营？

blk25t

原帖由 dalaohu 于 2010-9-21 14:09 发表


神要出一個兵， 要2樣東西， 人只要一個兵營就出兵了。 開梅花你防不住有情可原，造兵rush你也防不住那是你出兵太慢

这位同学看来是没吃过神族兵营rush的亏……没这么强的话暴雪升级要延长造兵营和造兵时间干啥

dalaohu

原帖由 blk25t 于 2010-9-21 14:40 发表


这位同学看来是没吃过神族兵营rush的亏……没这么强的话暴雪升级要延长造兵营和造兵时间干啥

zealot rush 理論上是不成立的， 除非對法在一心搞發展，沒有造多兵。

暴雪延长造兵時間，只是想能讓對手開局能多搞些發展而不至於位置受到毀滅性的打擊罷了。

chenyi1976

原帖由 dalaohu 于 2010-9-21 11:56 发表
神族前期挺弱的。 一定要中後期高級兵種配合。

terran 的確比較不平衡，爆marine, stim pack + drop ship, 其他都不要了就很dominate中前期。

老家能飛，搶礦也很有優勢還不容易被攻擊。 而且terran的防守太強了。 光 ...

Terran的行星要塞其实还是很容易破的。。。两个兵种：1，Void Ray；2，高脚本。。。

kr2000

最近在玩神族，神打神用3bg叉叉rush，经常还没等我升级速度对方久挂了
叉叉加时间是难免的

北风

这个一定要哨兵堵口

原帖由 kr2000 于 21/9/2010 15:12 发表
最近在玩神族，神打神用3bg叉叉rush，经常还没等我升级速度对方久挂了
叉叉加时间是难免的

dalaohu

原帖由 kr2000 于 2010-9-21 15:12 发表
最近在玩神族，神打神用3bg叉叉rush，经常还没等我升级速度对方久挂了
叉叉加时间是难免的

你下次試試 把兵營造人家家門口， 在人家眼皮底下出兵的感覺很爽。

讓對手目睹被滅的全過程

o2h2o

哎 最烦的就是 都削弱了
要是两个人实力相当 打打就 1小时了
节奏太慢了
死光了  重新造都来得及
不像魔兽 一次 全歼 几乎就gg了，英雄全歼 也几乎gg了
我算了一下 星际的 long game的 频率 明显大于魔兽

kr2000

我怎么觉得星际节奏比魔兽快很多

dalaohu

我覺得SC比war3，節奏快多了， war3 還要殺npc練級， 造兵也貴，數量也不多。

o2h2o

原帖由 kr2000 于 2010-9-21 16:15 发表
我怎么觉得星际节奏比魔兽快很多

星际两个极端，要么就一下rush掉， 要么 呵呵，每人4块矿实在是非常常见的
星际没有 upkeep ，鼓励大家狂抢矿吧，老家还高那么一点， 弄个一排坦克，一些防空的，如果一个菜鸟抱着必死的决心也不出门，死守半小时，高手也 头疼

[ 本帖最后由 o2h2o 于 2010-9-21 16:27 编辑 ]

新风雨

神族在人族家里先造一个水晶 让他看到
然后他肯定scv来打你水晶，然后你造个BG，第一个水晶快完蛋的时候再拍下一个水晶，人族就这么被rush掉 无解的