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http://gizmodo.com/5588146/apples-brewing-shitstorm

Dave Winer是blog和RSS的发明人。这样的人说话的时候,大家最好认真听着。

他最近发表了一篇文章,预测Apple的好日子到头了,这家公司终于要回到地球上,尝到不被消费者信任的痛苦了。这一次的危机如果无法化解,Apple有可能很快跟Sun一样,要永远落山了。

文章太长,有心的自己看吧。请你投票,同不同意Dave的看法?

Dave Winer—the father of blogging and the RSS—has published this article on Apple's current situation. His prediction: The Reality Distortion Field bubble is "about to burst" and Apple is going to suffer the ugliest shitstorm you've ever seen.

I've been lucky to be in the middle of a number of Internet shitstorms in my life. They've been absolutely surreal, unfair, cruel. No one will listen to your side of the story. People you thought were friends join the pile-on. Etc etc. And then it passes, and eventually you go back to life as it was. I don't want to re-litigate any of them, please — but I just want to say I know what it's like.

Now Rex Hammock, who I admire as a friend and as a pundit, wrote a piece about Apple and the crazy situation with the iPhone 4. He's right, but he doesn't quite go far enough in his analysis.

I don't think the problem is with the iPhone 4. I think what we're seeing is Apple's charm wearing off. The Reality Distortion Field bubble is about to burst. Their run as the Exceptional Company is about to end. And they're going to be the last ones to figure it out. And it's going to be the ugliest shitstorm you've ever seen.

Why will it be so ugly? Because Apple's hype has been steadily inflating since 1997 when Steve Jobs returned, and it's never taken a dip. They've risen from being written off to being worth more than Microsoft.

It's also going to get ugly because we're fed up with corporations. It was remarkable that there were no ads for oil companies on the World Cup broadcasts (at least the ones I watched). Can you imagine listening to a pitch from Exxon or BP saying they are working for our energy independence, or to clean up the planet or all the other lies they were telling us while they were taking huge unnecessary risks with the ecology of the oceans? They're smart enough to know now is not the time to be spouting bullshit at us.

It will be ugly because Apple is going to let it get ugly. Because unlike the oil companies they have no experience with PR disasters. When I read their first public response on July 2, the one that said the problem was the meter measuring the strength of AT&T's signal, I couldn't believe this was meant to be taken seriously. It's the kind of story The Onion might have written on a bad day. Or Jon Stewart. That a corporate PR team wrote this says how unseasoned their people are. That they thought this answer was going to satisfy anyone says how out of touch they are with the world they are in.

"We have discovered the cause of this dramatic drop in bars, and it is both simple and surprising.
"Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength. For example, we sometimes display 4 bars when we should be displaying as few as 2 bars. Users observing a drop of several bars when they grip their iPhone in a certain way are most likely in an area with very weak signal strength, but they don't know it because we are erroneously displaying 4 or 5 bars. Their big drop in bars is because their high bars were never real in the first place."


Apple has no concept of what's it like to be disbelieved, untrusted, seen as an American corporation and nothing more.

I wonder how Apple is going to deal with their first serious virus. Microsoft, when they had to deal with malware, was in denial for years. They thought it was the users' problem. Until they finally saw people switching to Macs (as I did) just to get away from all the crazy shit that was attacking Windows users.

In 2007, I couldn't believe Apple, a company that was selling itself as the more secure computer, wanted to keep my failed hard disk, one I had paid full price to replace, insisting it was theirs to refurbish. I couldn't accept that they would let all my personal information fall into the hands of who-knows-who, but that's what they proposed to do.

Apple is a company that desperately needs to grow up and wipe the smile off its face, and roll its sleeves up and start to appreciate that they're no longer the upstart, the underdog, the Crazy One in the Richard Dreyfus ad. They are The Man, the Boss, the one who, from now on, everyone is going to be taking shots at and shits on.

I use Macs. I'm typing this on a new 27-inch iMac. I stood in line to buy the iPhone, in the sweltering summer New York heat. I was pleased when Apple people came out to bring us bottled water. More of that Apple. More care and concern for the people who give you not only their respect and adoration, but also their money. The rules that apply to The Rest Of Us are about to apply to you. Time to get ready for it.

BTW, I am an Apple shareholder.
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大起大落好像就是Apple的命

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apple 和sun不一样, apple是个做小家电的公司, 外观和做工取胜。 技术不占重头,不易段时间内消失。

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可是IT这一行风高浪险,多少曾经无比辉煌的公司现在都已经找不着了

Apple上次快死的时候竟然是微软拉了一把,这次如果再倒下,谁会出手?

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当然市值那么高是绝对不正常也长不了的。

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Apple上次快死的时候竟然是微软拉了一把,这次如果再倒下,谁会出手?

apple再倒下,有无数中国山寨之等着呢。
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第一票是我投的,但我不觉得是合适的选择,如果有一个中间的选择

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我会选中间值。

这次事件本也不是大事,但是苹果本身把这个事情闹大了,给自己下不了台街。

我以前到不对苹果公司有什么看法,但是这次iphone4事件中它对它的用户的态度令人反感。

btw 刚才我写了一个windows mobile 7的测试程序,几分钟就搞定。

一堆controls连上事件,方法,完成后用emulator run一下看看效果。

微软的东西上手的确是快
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原帖由 dalaohu 于 2010-7-16 11:04 PM 发表
Apple上次快死的时候竟然是微软拉了一把,这次如果再倒下,谁会出手?

apple再倒下,有无数中国山寨之等着呢。


市值是虚假的数字,兑现不了的。
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SUN公司也死了很长时间才死掉的。
苹果即使不再辉煌,也不会很快死掉的。

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我正在琢磨写个什么Android程序出来呢

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我正在琢磨写个什么Android程序出来呢

iPhone shell :)
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原帖由 ericlgq 于 2010-7-16 23:10 发表
SUN公司也死了很长时间才死掉的。
苹果即使不再辉煌,也不会很快死掉的。


苹果有个死穴,名字叫Jobs,他一旦倒下,整个公司就被抽空了一大半
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发表于 2010-7-17 00:15 |显示全部楼层

oracle买下sun野心不小。一下子企业级的数据库,OS,开发平台和语言都占齐了

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连服务器硬件都有了,不过Oracle看来对硬件不感兴趣

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早点到台的好,可以省钱了

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苹果太多粉丝了,不会那么快倒下的.
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不在乎天长地久,只在乎曾经拥有

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原帖由 bulaohu 于 2010-7-16 23:03 发表
可是IT这一行风高浪险,多少曾经无比辉煌的公司现在都已经找不着了

Apple上次快死的时候竟然是微软拉了一把,这次如果再倒下,谁会出手?

估计还会是微软。如果苹果彻底衰落了,ms又要面临垄断调查。在竞争对手当中,苹果走的路线始终是走小众,不是ms需要生死相搏的对手。

而且就那么一次事件上升到公司生死存亡也太夸大了。apple现在只做电话么?倒是jobs如果一朝离开公司,那才叫危险。

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苹果有太多的脑残粉丝,倒不了的。

苹果产品的设计还是有很多创新之处,有些确实令人赞叹!
不过苹果电脑存粹是蒙人的玩意,想不通会有那么多人去买。

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apple免费送保护套也算是一种补偿吧

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Apple......送......套套......
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原帖由 bulaohu 于 2010-7-17 22:01 发表
Apple......送......套套......


反正已经有了 pad, 再来个套套,算是齐了。

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真不知道是这个人发明的blog。

我事先就说除非法官判决,否则不会主动召回的。谁知道呢,也许以后苹果不会太霸道,学会更好的危机公关。

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原帖由 garysmith 于 2010-7-17 17:46 发表
苹果有太多的脑残粉丝,倒不了的。

苹果产品的设计还是有很多创新之处,有些确实令人赞叹!
不过苹果电脑存粹是蒙人的玩意,想不通会有那么多人去买。 ...


从软件上面来说 windows 确实 丰富多了
苹果  的 硬件设计很不错
很多对价钱不太敏感 买了 mac的电脑 装windows

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原帖由 o2h2o 于 2010-7-18 11:01 发表


从软件上面来说 windows 确实 丰富多了
苹果  的 硬件设计很不错
很多对价钱不太敏感 买了 mac的电脑 装windows


有这样的人?我倒是没见过,都是装虚拟机的吧。对价格不敏感的,买sony也不错,外观不觉得比apple差。

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有这样的人?我倒是没见过,都是装虚拟机的吧。对价格不敏感的,买sony也不错,外观不觉得比apple差。


有,还不少。基本都是用Bootcamp,虚拟机太慢,而且瘟7的Aero界面会很难看
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苹果估计是到顶了
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关键看教主。教主在,一切没问题。教主没了,还有教吗?

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Apple好日子才开始,iPhone 4 卖的出奇的好,供不应求,July 30才开始第二轮国家。
Ipad现在还在缺货。要生产出满足市场的ipad,iphone就需要一年。一年后,iPad 2,iPhone 5又出了。
一个产品被抢得供不应求,利润奇高的公司应该会比
产品积压的公司走得好。
最重要的一点,苹果有大量的现金,足以应付很多突发状况。苹果好日子才开始,等苹果开始进军enterprise的市场时,mac市场占有率会更上一层。
G粉年年有,今年特别多。
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苹果进军企业市场??

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