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[学习培训] 澳洲的一个宏观经济问题,请大家帮我 [复制链接]

发表于 2009-2-10 08:20 |显示全部楼层
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上周老陆政府公布一个420亿的经济刺激方案,可是反对党和一些经济学家指出这样做会使政府背上高额的负债,我的第一个问题是:政府现在拿出420亿都要靠借的吗?自己的国库没钱了还是有钱但宁愿借?

由于这个刺激方案还没有正式通过,我在想,如果要靠负债才能发放这笔巨资,那还不如印钞票算了,害处是通货膨胀,但是好处是不用负债了,我这个想法对吗?已经困惑我一星期了,请大家帮我解疑,谢谢.
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发表于 2009-2-10 10:47 |显示全部楼层
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顶以下自己的贴,印钞票给老百姓有是么害处?

退役斑竹 2007 年度奖章获得者 2009年度奖章获得者

发表于 2009-2-10 10:55 |显示全部楼层
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津巴布韦就是例子,涨率达2200000%

发表于 2009-2-10 11:03 |显示全部楼层
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我的理解,一个国家印的钱的多少代表了这个国家的总财富,那么货币在不同组织和个人之间的分配就代表了财富在这些组织和个人之间的分配。

那么,如果多印钞票,然后按照原有的份额在这些组织和个人之间分配,之前和之后没有任何区别。

而事实上多出来的钞票的流向总是不平均的。这也就是澳洲为什么拼命压制通货膨胀而试图保持社会稳定,而中国保持高增长高通胀的同时增加了贫富差距。

发表于 2009-2-10 11:07 |显示全部楼层
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政府现在拿出420亿都要靠借的吗

no, government has tax revenue, and AU government has been in budget surplus for years.
It's not a big problem for a government to borrow money when it's necessary.
But print money helps no one and it will cause economic conditions deteriorate.
Inflation is one of the most horrible problem the government want to fight to. 2-3% inflation rate is good, but hyperinflation will be a disaster.
花开可要欣赏, 然后就去远行, 惟有不等花谢, 才能记得花红.

有酒可要满饮, 然后就去远行, 惟有不等大醉, 才能觉得微醒.

有情可要恋爱, 然后就去远行, 惟有恋得短暂, 才能爱的永恒.

发表于 2009-2-10 11:09 |显示全部楼层
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饿罗斯也是例子
有些高级工程师, 工作一背子存了好几万卢布, 后来改革, 通货膨胀, 那几万卢布只够买几袋米了.
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发表于 2009-2-10 11:31 |显示全部楼层
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haha, this is has been a very hot topic for the past few days. I think from the macroeconomic point of view,this fiscal descions of expansionary fiscal policy of ' free money' aims to stimulate demand amongst the consumers, and hoping that will prevent the economic from worsening.
As, some one suggested the government has budget surplus for the past few years, im i think this is the first deficit since 2000s, Not sure abt it. No sure why they decided to borrow money. In terms of borrowing money from oversea, this can be link to the external stability problem, depending on how the money is use, for example if money is use for capital goods this would shift the PPF rightward, this will be benefical, but if it is spend on consumer goods, this may be not as efficient, which think right now, the policy is spending money on consumer goods.
Another problem associate with borrowing money, is in term of its crowd out effect on private companys, as government borrowing crowds out some of the private investment, just think of the money funds as a big pie, and the government now eat half of the pie, and the remaining for the pie is being competited by many little private companys, thus, the interest of borrowing will be push upward. While the effect of such spending depending on the mutiplier effect of the economy.
And i always think that the government is looking at the problem from the ' classical' econonist point of view, believing money injected will be spend, which i definately think will not be the case.
in regards to the printing money questions, if is definately shouldnot be the case. Macroeconomic policy, also include monetary policy this is done by the RBA. The main role of RBA is to moniter target inflation rate within 2-3% through influencing the interest rate. its influence on interest rate is done through the influence on the exchange settlement account. Printing money will only led to the reducation of purchasing power of money, which will be no use at all.

er.... yeah ,,,, hoepfully i answered ur question.

[ 本帖最后由 晓风残星 于 2009-2-10 12:32 编辑 ]

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发表于 2009-2-10 11:38 |显示全部楼层
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原帖由 晓风残星 于 2009-2-10 12:31 发表
haha, this is has been a very hot topic for the past few days. I think from the macroeconomic point of view,this fiscal descions of expansionary fiscal policy of ' free money' aims to stimulate demand ...

you must have a degree of economic
花开可要欣赏, 然后就去远行, 惟有不等花谢, 才能记得花红.

有酒可要满饮, 然后就去远行, 惟有不等大醉, 才能觉得微醒.

有情可要恋爱, 然后就去远行, 惟有恋得短暂, 才能爱的永恒.

发表于 2009-2-10 11:46 |显示全部楼层
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我明白了,多印420亿钞票出来的话,以后买罐可乐要10元,现在只要1元不到.

发表于 2009-2-10 11:49 |显示全部楼层
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ACURA: hahhaha for ur information, the cans only now worth 5Cent for recycle.. hahah
but yeah, u got the point~~
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云栖竹径: er... not really, but macro was one of the core of commerce degree. but i enjoy learning it.

n thnxs xiu for the free points.. ^_^
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发表于 2009-2-10 11:56 |显示全部楼层
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Put is simiply (very simply indeed):

* borrow money to spend is to spend future money (tax revenue that is)… u borrow now and pay back later. Basically using country's balance sheet to borrow now in bad time and pay back in good time.
* print money now is just another form of tax. Money in every person's pocket devalues therefore lose value in real term. The money goes to gov and it distrbutes to the areas it sees need stimulus. So it is using today's money but just re-distribute it.

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发表于 2009-2-11 16:14 |显示全部楼层
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大量印钱显然不和实际,历史告诉我们当出现recession你只要刺激消费还有提升消费信心,可是如果 inflation&recession同时出现,就很难对付。liberal在的时候,政府攒了很多钱,就是要用在现在这个时候。还有我赞成政府的moeny hand out,更倾向于tax cut,从心理上来讲,如果是后者的话,可能大家会更愿意去消费。

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