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Australia's tax system suffers from loopholes you could drive a company car through … onto a leveraged investment property, writes Josh Gordon.

MORE than $30 billion a year is being leached out of the revenue system by a tangle of Federal Government tax loopholes, exemptions and concessions.

So-called "tax expenditures" — the revenue lost through deductions and concessions allowed by the tax system — are soaring. Federal Treasury estimates they cost the budget $31.2 billion in 2003-04, 9.1 per cent more than in 1999-2000 and equivalent to 22 per cent of the total amount of tax collected from individuals, companies and superannuation funds.

By 2007-08, tax expenditures are expected to hit $38.7 billion, an increase of 24 per cent.

The figures lend weight to claims by prominent Liberal backbencher Malcolm Turnbull and others that tax cuts are affordable, provided that the Government is prepared to wear the political pain associated with abolishing at least some of the concessions on offer.

In a scathing assessment, ANZ chief economist Saul Eslake said the exemptions had distorted the economy, encouraged tax avoidance and helped explain why the Tax Act ran to more than 9000 pages.

"It is indisputable that these exemptions, concessions and deductions lead to substantial losses of revenue, cause significant distortions in the economy, favour high-income taxpayers at the expense of lower-income taxpayers … and create opportunities of evasion or avoidance of tax," Mr Eslake said.

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AdvertisementOne of the most distorting tax concessions is the way Australia's tax system treats investment housing, although removing it now could lead to a disastrous collapse in house prices.

Negative-gearing rules allow investors to write off the cost of borrowing used to acquire an asset against all income, not just the income generated by the asset. At the same time, capital gains earned on assets held for more than 12 months are taxed at half the rate of other income.

That means a taxpayer in the highest tax bracket can immediately write off interest costs for an investment property at the rate of 48.5¢ in the dollar (the top tax rate including the medicare levy). Yet the capital gains are taxed at just 24.25¢ in the dollar when the asset is sold.

"To the best of my knowledge, no other country in the world is so generous to leveraged investments as Australia," Mr Eslake said.

He said it was "absolutely no coincidence" that established house prices had grown by an average of more than 70 per cent during the four years after the capital gains tax concession was introduced in 2000. Last year, spending on investment housing exceeded productive investment in factories and machinery for the first time.

"Since that part of Australia's gross domestic investment which is not financed by domestic saving must be financed by adding to our foreign liabilities, it ought to be of some concern that the tax system provides such powerful incentives to invest in assets whose capacity to contribute to the servicing and ultimate repayment of those foreign liabilities is, for all practical purposes, zero," Mr Eslake said.

The Treasury figures show that the value of revenue foregone because of the capital gains tax has risen sharply. In 2003-04 it wiped about $2.6 billion from the revenue base.

And Tax Office figures show that last year 1.4 million taxpayers declared total rental income of $15.2 billion, yet claimed rental deductions of $17.8 billion. Declared rental income grew 12 per cent during the year, while rental deductions claimed leapt by almost 20 per cent.

At the same time, about 930,000 individual taxpayers declared $9.5 billion in net capital gains in their 2003-04 tax returns — 53 per cent more than the previous year.

The Tax Office is now throwing unprecedented resources at tackling bogus claims. Its 2005-06 compliance report released last month shows that more than half a million taxpayers will be targeted because of concerns about their work deductions, rental deductions or declared income.

The concessional treatment of employer-provided cars is another area of concern. The Treasury figures show that fringe benefit tax breaks for people taking part of their pay in the form a company car costs about $1.1 billion a year in lost revenue.

Another major tax expense are tax breaks for people aged over 65, costing about $1.7 billion a year in foregone revenue. Under this exemption, couples aged over 65 will be able to earn up to $43,956 a year from investments before having to pay any income tax.

Deductions for work-related expenses are also soaring. The Tax Office figures show expense claims for cars, travel, uniforms, laundry and self-education amounted to $10.7 billion last year, 9 per cent more than the previous year.

Melbourne University professor John Freebairn argues that the tax system is crowded with a range of distorting taxes and rebates that could be abolished to make the tax system fairer for everyone.

Professor Freebairn says $2.5 billion a year could be saved by scrapping the capital gains tax discount. A further $5 billion a year could be raised by removing some work-related expenses, include $3.7 billion in work-related car expenses, $750 million in other travel expenses, and clothing and uniform expenses worth $1.1 billion.

Labor is sympathetic, although it has failed to say which concessions should be abandoned. The Government, however, has signalled a deep reluctance to act. Senator Nick Minchin last week said advocates of a broader tax base and lower rates needed to take "a political reality check".

"While I'm sure people would welcome a tax cut, the political screams that would be heard from those who were denied deductions and concessions they currently have would be potentially overwhelming, and people ought to take a political reality check when advocating such endeavours, as admirable as they may be," he told The Age.

Treasurer Peter Costello has also attacked such proposals.

"When you hear people talk about broadening the base, what they're actually talking about is increasing taxes in some areas," he told the ABC's 7.30 Report. "The immediate question you ask somebody who wants to broaden the base is, who's going to pay more under that proposal?"

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why the hell is there such a policy to encourage investing in property?
It just pushes up the housing prices. It doesn't do any good the the real economy and productivity.
Look at lessons of HK and SG. What is the benefit of pushing up housing prices?

退役斑竹

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不光是房地产啊.这个政策适用于所有的投资. 只不过房地产作为投资有相对安全和管理方便的优点,所以很多人用啊. 你也可以买个生意,一样能抵税的. 我没觉得政策本身倾向于房地产啊, 只是很多人选择这种投资罢了.
x^2+(y-(x^2)^(1/3))^2=1

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However loss from investment property is free to offset other income while losses from  businesses have to satisfy certain criteria before people can offset them against other income

退役斑竹

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袋鼠  在 2005-9-16 10:15 AM 发表:

Australia's tax system suffers from loopholes you could drive a company car through … onto a leveraged investment property, writes Josh Gordon.

"To the best of my knowledge, no other country in the world is so generous to leveraged investments as Australia," Mr Eslake said.

......


他说的简直是废话,也没有几个国家象澳洲一样收这么高的税了. 不同的国情有不同的政策,光和别的国家比而不看有没有可比性逻辑上就不通啊.
x^2+(y-(x^2)^(1/3))^2=1

退役斑竹

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astina  在 2005-9-16 10:43 AM 发表:

However loss from investment property is free to offset other income while losses from  businesses have to satisfy certain criteria before people can offset them against other income


但是如果一个business拿到退休的时候再卖是不用交capital gain tax的. 只是具体优惠哪些方面的不同罢了.
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富人越富,穷人越穷。

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这个政策推高了房价,我一直不明白房地产增值对国家经纪有什么好处? 除了政府多收税和老百姓纸上财富增加了,对国家的经纪没好处啊。
看看香港和新加坡在亚洲金融风暴后的处境就明白了。

在资本市场投资和作生意可以用税收鼓励,这个好理解。因为这些对国民经济有明摆着的好处。

退役斑竹

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袋鼠  在 2005-9-16 10:51 AM 发表:

这个政策推高了房价,我一直不明白房地产增值对国家经纪有什么好处? 除了政府多收税和老百姓纸上财富增加了,对国家的经纪没好处啊。
看看香港和新加坡在亚洲金融风暴后的处境就明白了。

在资本市场投资和作生 ...


因为推高了房价政府就能收更多的地税了. 看看近几年地税的涨幅就知道了啊
x^2+(y-(x^2)^(1/3))^2=1

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clur  在 2005-9-16 10:54 AM 发表:

因为推高了房价政府就能收更多的地税了. 看看近几年地税的涨幅就知道了啊


I know government can get more income from that. But I don't believe rational government does that for the purpose of having more income.
What are the real economic justification?

退役斑竹

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政策永远是为了政治目的的。经济目的只是间接的为了获取更多的选票. 这条政策当然是为了迎合高收入有投资意愿的人群而得到更多的选票啊.

关键是澳洲的经济还没有出现太大问题吧(又能获得政治利益,又不太损伤经济, 这政策就没有什么问题啊). 等过热的时候再出政策弥补就可以了啊.
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astina  在 2005-9-16 10:43 AM 发表:

However loss from investment property is free to offset other income while losses from  businesses have to satisfy certain criteria before people can offset them against other income


Is "the loss from investment property" is a offset or deduction?

if it is a offset, it should be great. eg. U loss 1000 bucks in property, u get back 1000 from ur tax.

if it is a deduction. U loss 1000 bucks in property, u get back 1000*47% from ur tax at most.

Am i right?

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NewBusi  在 2005-9-16 11:46 AM 发表:

Is "the loss from investment property" is a offset or deduction?

if it is a offset, it should be great. eg. U loss 1000 bucks in property, u get back 1000 from ur tax.

if it is a de ...


the latter
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袋鼠  在 2005-9-16 11:31 AM 发表:

I know government can get more income from that. But I don't believe rational government does that for the purpose of having more income.
What are the real economic justification?


纸上富贵能刺激消费欲望,从而带动经济.

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  在 2005-9-16 12:01 PM 发表:

纸上富贵能刺激消费欲望,从而带动经济.


但是这个很危险的,看看香港人。

我感觉我买自主房都很勉强,靠,怎么澳洲有这么多人还能买投资房。

退役斑竹

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那是因为你刚来啊,10年前澳洲的房价还是很便宜的.
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clur  在 2005-9-16 12:09 PM 发表:

那是因为你刚来啊,10年前澳洲的房价还是很便宜的.


是啊。以前听说澳洲房子又大又便宜,靠,等我来了买不起了。

退役斑竹

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不过相对来说还是比较便宜的。想想在新买个占地500平米的房子要花多少钱就知道了. 而且地税也不是很高,美国的地税那简直......

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袋鼠  在 2005-9-16 12:04 PM 发表:

但是这个很危险的,看看香港人。

我感觉我买自主房都很勉强,靠,怎么澳洲有这么多人还能买投资房。


10年前付20%首期买20万的房,十年间只付利息不还本,房子价格翻倍到40万.这时可向银行多借(40-16)-40*20%=16,利用这16万首期可买80万的房子.在澳洲十年前有房子的人很多,所以关键是一个理财问题.

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其实现在买投资房NEGATIVE GEARING的人好象没有以前多了, 主要是房产增值的趋势也不那么明显了吧

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cheers  在 2005-9-16 12:28 PM 发表:

其实现在买投资房NEGATIVE GEARING的人好象没有以前多了, 主要是房产增值的趋势也不那么明显了吧


因为现在房价不升反降了。我们没有赶上好时光。
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小灵通  在 2005-9-16 01:28 PM 发表:

因为现在房价不升反降了。我们没有赶上好时光。


That is good news for me.

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袋鼠  在 2005-9-16 01:35 PM 发表:

That is good news for me.


正所谓几家欢喜几家愁。

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clur  在 2005-9-16 10:46 AM 发表:

他说的简直是废话,也没有几个国家象澳洲一样收这么高的税了. 不同的国情有不同的政策,光和别的国家比而不看有没有可比性逻辑上就不通啊.


好像很多欧洲国家的税都要比澳洲重吧。

记得一个朋友告诉我一个瑞典朋友认为澳洲的政策比瑞典好,说瑞典是个养懒人的地方,澳洲有活力。看来很多欧洲人还羡慕我们呢。呵呵

米国税是低,可是你看看这次飓风,New Orleans那惨样,和非洲国家有什么区别?如果在西欧或者北欧,就不会发生这种情况。任何事情都有两面性的。

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对这一句不太理解: "At the same time, capital gains earned on assets held for more than 12 months are taxed at half the rate of other income."
是不是说capital gains tax的税率是你其他收入的一般,这个其他收入怎么定义啊?capital gain tax什么时候交?

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仔细看看 ..回头想想.. 眼前一黑..
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chenzy0513  在 2005-9-16 09:37 PM 发表:

对这一句不太理解: "At the same time, capital gains earned on assets held for more than 12 months are taxed at half the rate of other income."
是不是说capital gains tax的税率是你其他收入 ...


If you hold the asset for more than 12 months, only half of the capital gain is taxable. Marginal tax rate applies to the capital gain.

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chenzy0513  在 2005-9-16 09:37 PM 发表:

对这一句不太理解: "At the same time, capital gains earned on assets held for more than 12 months are taxed at half the rate of other income."
是不是说capital gains tax的税率是你其他收入 ...


就是说如果你的asset持有超过一年的话,capital gain只有一半需要上税. 当然税率就是按个人收入都加起来算的.

举个例子: 10k买了股票,一年后卖出11k, 这1k的capital gain只要有500要上税. 如果你其他收入为30000, 那加上这500就是30500了. 该上多钱就多钱了.
x^2+(y-(x^2)^(1/3))^2=1

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