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4$的牛奶比2$的牛奶好在哪里? [复制链接]

发表于 2013-9-9 17:44 |显示全部楼层
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pangpang 发表于 2013-9-9 15:51
此A2 (classification) 是彼A2 (brand name) 吗?

A2因为含A2所以才叫这个名字,你去看看成分表就知道了。
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除了我之前提到的A2似乎没那么容易变质和口感好之外,如果试一下将牛奶加热饮用,会发现A2没有一般牛奶那样厚的一层膜,而且不那么腥

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7频道的today tonight有一期节目揭露过大牛奶公司的制造黑幕,他们把制奶后的残渣加工后再加回去已节省成本。见 http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-t ... s-hidden-additives/

“What the major companies are doing is that after milking, solids that are separated out, pasteurized, homogenized, reduced, and refined are then mixed back. The big secret that's kept from the public is they also mix in a lot of the cheap, filler additive consisting mainly of lactose.The left-overs of milk production called permeate.”

A2被提到是不含这些东西的。

Peter Nathan runs the A2 milk company, which produces milk from specially bred Guernsey and Jersey cows. A2 does not contain a protein found in normal milks, called A1 beta casein protein, which is allegedly linked to a range of illnesses, including heart disease and allergies. And A2, which is more expensive than normal milks, does not have permeate added.

”It's got an additive that most consumers don't know they've got in their milk, and it doesn't taste the way milk should taste,” A2 Milk CEO Peter Nathan said.

Permeate's up to twenty per cent of most milks, including full cream, skim, low fat, and the supermarkets’ private labels.

发表于 2013-9-9 17:54 |显示全部楼层
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stephen0220 发表于 2013-9-9 16:49
除了我之前提到的A2似乎没那么容易变质和口感好之外,如果试一下将牛奶加热饮用,会发现A2没有一般牛奶那样 ...

没有厚膜是有点还是缺点呀。应该是油脂提的少吧。
加分欢迎通知,可以开心一小会,嘿嘿。

发表于 2013-9-9 17:57 |显示全部楼层
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本来一个月喝不了几次,看这么多评论真窝心!忌了!

发表于 2013-9-9 18:00 |显示全部楼层
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我觉得没有厚膜是优点,我个人感觉加热后膜越厚的话喝起来越腥,再举个例子,PURA的膜就比diary farm的薄,同理没那么腥,口感也相对好
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发表于 2013-9-9 21:42 |显示全部楼层
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我怎么觉得D开头的Long life奶太香了,喝不惯。

发表于 2013-9-9 21:47 |显示全部楼层
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成分的区别。 但与其说是口感,不如说是精神作用。

发表于 2013-9-9 22:47 |显示全部楼层
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终于看完了。

凭我做酸奶的经验,Coles的FullCream最好,WWS的不行。Coscot的A2买过一次,一致认为没有COLEs的好喝。

发表于 2013-9-9 23:24 |显示全部楼层
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要健康的选A2或者羊奶,要口感的自己随便挑。

发表于 2013-9-10 09:53 |显示全部楼层
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发表于 2013-9-10 10:10 |显示全部楼层
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各抒己见啊

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只買non homogenize 的,選擇不多。

发表于 2013-9-10 13:09 |显示全部楼层
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hyl427 发表于 2013-9-7 21:54
还是喜欢non-homogeneous milk。 以前pura 地organic有,现在没了,让我狠纠结。。。实在想了,就买瓶doubl ...

還是有啊,1公升有機的是,2公升的不是。

发表于 2013-9-10 16:13 |显示全部楼层
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marlene603 发表于 2013-9-6 22:44
有专门给kids的牛奶啊!

add DHA
so yucky, tastes fishy
大隐隐于。。。。养小孩

发表于 2013-9-10 16:19 |显示全部楼层
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A2
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发表于 2013-9-10 16:34 |显示全部楼层
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牛好,做咖啡打奶泡的时候能明显感觉到奶的质量差异

发表于 2013-9-10 16:36 |显示全部楼层
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都去a2吧

发表于 2013-9-10 16:48 |显示全部楼层
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说到底也没什么定论

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没有定论,不过本人不怎么喝牛奶,隔三差五喝一次,今后就买a2了

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口感不一样!
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2009年度奖章获得者 2014年度奖章获得者 2015年度奖章获得者

发表于 2013-9-12 00:20 |显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 胡须康 于 2013-9-11 23:24 编辑

好复杂,
很久很久 以前所有的牛都是纯A2,后来产生基因变异,出现了A1的奶牛。
至于A1和A2的区别,和过敏,糖尿病什么的都有关,具体见下文。  

In brief, this is the story. Originally, all cows worldwide (in Europe, Africa and Asia) were pure A2. Some thousands of years ago a natural genetic mutation occurred in a European herd, whereby the cows began producing milk whose casein had a very slight difference from the original. The effect of this difference is that an opioid (opium-like substance) is produced in the drinker's digestion process that is able to pass through the wall of the digestive tract and enter the bloodstream, from where it is able to reach the brain and other organs. This canot happen with milk from the original a2 cows.

With very minor exceptions, every cow has basically two genes that govern this issue. Either they are both A2 (meaning they produce pure A2 milk) or they are one A1 and one A2 (meaning the milk contains half A1 and half A2) or they are pure A1. Many herds in Europe, North America and Australasia which have been bred from European breeds such as Holstein and Friesian now have a mixture and are roughly half A1 and half A2, but a few (eg Guernsey) are still virtually pure A2 because they have not been interbred much. Cows in Asia and Africa are still basically A2. So are goats. And so are human beings. The milk produced by a human mother is pure A2, even if she drinks a1 milk. A2 milk is obviously what is right for babies and human beings, especially when young.

For many years, no one realised all this. Scientists knew there was a distinction between A1 and A2 (and thought A1 was the original one) but didn't give it much significance. Then some years ago, researchers noticed that the countries with high rates of coronary heart disease and type 2 diabetes are the countries where the dairy herds contain a high rate of A1 cows. The correlation is very strong indeed. But of course this doesn't prove cause and effect. And no one could quite explain it scientifically at that time, so the skeptics, including dairy producers whose milk contained A1, said it was pure coincidence. Since then, however, quite a lot of chemico-medical research has been done, which has increasingly substantiated the hypothesis that there is a cause and effect relationship. It would appear that either the opioid from A1 milk triggers certain health conditions (including schizophrenia and autism) or it lowers immunity to them. Of course, dairy producers whose milk contains A1 still dispute this, saying a cause and effect has not yet been 100% proved. A bit like the tobacco companies said for decades that there was no absolute proof that smoking caused lung cancer, even though there seemed to be a link. Absolute proof is hard to establish. It may likewise take decades with A1/A2. But the evidence is strong, and is growing. Food safety authorities say they are not yet advising people to avoid A1 milk but the evidence is certainly of interest and more research is needed. They are not discounting it.

Useful information on all this can be found at the website www.a2corporation com, which is run by the company with patent rights to the method of identifying A2 cows. It was set up by the scientist who did original work on this topic. You might say that since they are making money from this, we shouldn't put too much trust in them. But why shouldn’t they promote and derive benefit from their research? No one has proved them wrong. There's also a book by a very respected professor of agricultural management that sets out the science of this matter in terms easily understandable to the general public: Keith Woodford: Devil in the Milk. It also explains some of the politics involved, and why some interested parties (mainly the international dairy industry) are trying to play the issue down. He has also written other papers on this topic.

I hope this is helpful. I'm not a scientist but I've read up about this. And I drink only A2 milk.

Nick Turner
Source(s):
http://www.a2corporation.com/index.php/page/14
This is the science section of the website of the company owning the A1/A2 identity patent.

There are also papers by Prof Keith Woodford, who has researched this topic extensively:
http://keithwoodford.wordpress.com/category/a1-and-a2-milk
http://www.lincoln.ac.nz/Documen ... betes_be_s14210.pdf

An important paper by Prof Boyd Swinburn some seven years ago for the New Zealand Food Safety Authority, analysing the evidence existing at that time. It is still of interest, a
http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/policy- ... lk/a1-a2-report.pdf
最幸福的两个字:吃过
最不幸的两个字:瘦过

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下次得尝A2的了,哈哈

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怀孕的时候开始A2,然后就喝习惯了。。。
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研究一下 我觉得这些牛奶来自同一批牛的乳房 但是离开乳房后去了不同厂家 所以价格不一样了。。。求指正

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太风趣 le............
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看了笑喷了

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我们家现在只喝a2,原因是便宜的容易得老年痴呆症,哈哈哈,不知道之前在哪里看到的文章说a2不容易得老年痴呆症,我也就拿这个事说服了我那勤俭节约的老母亲,嘎嘎
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