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后期这玩意什么才叫懂?有学历认证吗?说到后来也就是那么些软件,而且网上的presets多得是,自己可以随 ...


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PHOTOSHOP IN TODAY'S AGE
In 1989, fifteen years before digital photography became the preferred medium for today's photographers, the idea of Photoshop was born on the heels of what had been 30 years dominated by the color film photographers. Color film is inherently difficult to modify to any great extent in processing and the days of Black and White masters like Ansel Adams who often spent weeks manipulating images through careful darkroom processes were less popular than they once had been. Adams would say that the image taken in the field, although very reliant on proper technique, was merely the canvas from which to work his processing magic. At the time of the advent of Photoshop, however, the mainstream photographers often relied on a much faster and easier route to the final image by forgoing additional processing. The actual chrome or negative was itself the definitive success or failure of the image.

Today, the most frequent question I am asked as a photographer is not whether I use Photoshop (obvious), but how I use Photoshop. There is a great misconception among the public that photography like mine is somehow "created" in Photoshop, quite possibly because of exposure to too many Hollywood graphic effects, videogames, etc. I point out that throughout the entire history of the photographic medium one's technique in the field must be perfect. This has not changed today. The abilities that define great photographers are first and foremost how to seize the moment and make it theirs, reacting quickly and precisely to often rapidly changing situations. No amount of processing in today's digital darkroom can ever fix a bad composition, an out of focus image, create great light or change a mid-day sky into a sunset. No matter how much processing I apply post-capture, I have to be in the field 250 days per year on average doing everything possible, everything all generations of photographers have done, honing my skills and collecting days and weeks of failures before that rare moment shows itself and the successful initial capture is made.

An overwhelming number of photographers in the modern age use some amount of digital processing to enhance/optimize their images. A digital image, after all, is MADE to be "processed". In it's native (RAW) form, a digital image pales in comparison to, say, looking at a Velvia chrome on a light table. A digital JPEG file is not nearly as efficient as a RAW, where all information is saved and must be optimized by a RAW converter. I would say 90% or more of all professional digital photographers shoot in RAW. The advantages are simple. It's like having every type or combination of film and almost every filter from which to choose to apply to any image. My RAW images are optimized of course, in an effort to pull out the best possible colors, contrasts, details, etc., but if no such colors, light, subjects, etc. exist in the file, they are usually difficult or impossible to just make up. The image is then imported to Photoshop, where additional optimization takes place, including the digital blending of different versions of this exposure or maybe even completely separate exposures taken as close to simultaneously as possible.

I would like to underline the fact that my business depends in part on the fact that the actual subject matter you see in my images was really there. World-renowned publishers contact me to license images for such uses as Calendars, Books, Posters, Fine Art Prints, etc. In many of these applications, the images are going to be viewed by a public that might actually find themselves at the places I have photographed. It would be a tragedy for me to have someone view my images and then arrive at that place themselves one day and see that there really is no lake, stream, mountain, etc. That is the unique relationship the photographic art has with reality itself, and I can not compromise that.

So what do I mean by "blending" different exposures if I'm not altering subject matter? Simple. The camera is not a perfect tool for capturing the type of light, contrasts and three-dimensional depth we perceive with our eyes and it will never be. In the age before we had the ability to 'blend' like we do now, photographers, myself included, relied on all sorts of tricks in the field to overcome the limitations of the camera but often with results that could never possibly be as accurate as those that can now be applied digitally. Sometimes, it was simply impossible with the film medium to record and image that was entirely in focus or exposed correctly throughout. For example, one could use a graduated density filter to darken part of the image so they might be able to record both the bright sunset sky behind a mountain AND wildflowers in the shady foreground below, but not without unwanted darkening occurring at the transition line between lighter and darker parts of the filter, causing one to have to sacrifice proper exposure of the mountain itself just to control the sky exposure. Today, we simply take one exposure for the sky and another for everything else and blend them, hopefully by hand in Photoshop to achieve the most accurate results without compromising the result by leaving it entirely up to the computer. In another example, I am shooting a narrow slot canyon and see these wonderful patters and layers from near to far. I can compose the image beautifully, but the camera is incapable of recording both the foreground and background in focus at the same time, so I take two successive images or more at different focal points and blend them, reproducing what I saw with my eyes but the camera could not capture.

There are innumerable examples of how to use digital post-processing to more precisely record a scene but all of this MUST start with proper technique in the field. In fact, my process in the field today is often more difficult, more complex and more creative than it ever was or could have been with film. Absolutely, digital photography and basic tools like RAW processing make it much easier for your average Joe to make better images. Digital is certainly more forgiving if mistakes in exposure or such are made. That said, it's the extra complexities applied to the process in the field that often are THE reason the best work being produced today is still that much better than the rest. It's not uncommon in my practice in the field to have to think about doing a blend for depth of field (or to avoid compromising sharpness by shooting at small apertures), another blend for exposure, a blend to get water motion right, etc. to ensure that I optimize every part of my image. Just to think about this all in the field and bring back the right exposures to fulfill my vision of the scene has taken considerably more practice than learning how to use a colored or graduated filter in the film days, and has also opened new creative avenues. Anyone who thinks of digital photography as a 'crutch' of sorts, simply does not understand these processes and the precision with which they must be executed in-camera as well as in processing.

As we're now into the second decade of the new millenium, the debate that started 20 years ago with the introduction of Photoshop - whether or not to use it to 'manipulate' the initial capture is disappearing. The public perception always lags behind the state of the art, but finally most people have come to tolerate and even respect the digital art, realizing that the relationship between reality and photography does not have to die with it. Still, it's very unfortunate if completely predictable that there are a few who still cling to the belief that the image that comes strait from the camera is the only 'real' photograph, and everything else is chalked up to manipulation. Those people may not have any comprehension as to the roots of photography - those who knew Ansel well would tell you he would undoubtedly be a Photoshop guru were he alive today. At the very least though, these people have yet to come to grips with one of the fundamentals of history itself that teaches us the inevitable - those who refuse to evolve and embrace new ways become themselves obsolete. No one is ever going to come along and do away with digital post-processing. It's here to stay, so we may as well learn the facts and learn to embrace it as part of the art.
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布凡 发表于 2013-7-17 21:37
现在是不是有钱了啊 嘿嘿 LZ如果以后摄影赚了钱 指定也更新换代

我的意思是不是要做器材党,但是要认真当成个事去做,上的了台面的器材也是需要的。
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autrant 发表于 2013-7-17 21:21
做人做事重要的是有自信,别人的意见重要也不重要。

楼主的图片其实构图还算平稳,作为旅游的片子,说得过 ...


“”说白了,很多在各大网站上上榜的图片,大多数是只要你下功夫都可以拍得出来的“”
其他的同意,这一句不敢苟同
自己没有拍出来,不可妄言
远的不说,就扫海,这个片子http://www.earthshots.org/2013/07/fire-and-water-by-joshua-zhang/  是我们帮里哥们拍的,当时我和他在一起,周围什么环境,我能拍出什么片子,都很清楚。这个片子能拍出来的人,全悉尼绝对屈指可数。

从前期到后期,都不是说努力,就人人都可以达到的
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Wolongshan 发表于 2013-7-17 21:46
“”说白了,很多在各大网站上上榜的图片,大多数是只要你下功夫都可以拍得出来的“”
其他的同意,这一 ...

这是张非常不错的片子,可是要说有多牛逼,那确实就是见仁见智的事情了
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Wolongshan 发表于 2013-7-17 21:46
“”说白了,很多在各大网站上上榜的图片,大多数是只要你下功夫都可以拍得出来的“”
其他的同意,这一 ...

算了,算我妄言!

我没拍出过这样的照片,也不想花费那么多的功夫去拍这样的照片,所以我以前今后都无法证实我自己所说,所以我承认自己妄言了!


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autrant 发表于 2013-7-17 21:48
今天这一帖占了摄影版3/4的发帖量

嗯,版主在一边偷着乐,创日发帖纪录阿。大家尽量聊的开心点哈。不过,控制一下自己的情绪。如果有谁控制不了了,出去深呼吸几下再来。
一盏茶品尽百味人生,一缕烟洞察世态炎凉。平淡如斯!
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嗯,版主在一边偷着乐,创日发帖纪录阿。大家尽量聊的开心点哈。不过,控制一下自己的情绪。如果有谁控制 ...

聊一聊总是好的,毛泽东要求统一思想,我还是钟情百花齐放
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autrant 发表于 2013-7-17 22:37
我并不认为大家有恶意,但是鼓励更加能让人进步

当然大家都喜欢听拜年话,照片贴出来,几个人喊“好,好看”,“美啊”,“牛逼”,然后呢。作为一个摄影爱好者,我贴了照片是希望能得到指点,能有进步,不是在那里洋洋得意,听奉承的话,可惜的是作为论坛里本来就不多的职业摄影者,大都潜水,大米老师是唯一不多的还能给点意见的专业人士

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autrant 发表于 2013-7-17 21:48
今天这一帖占了摄影版3/4的发帖量

我就指着这个升靴了

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看了部柯南。回来就7页了。

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autrant 发表于 2013-7-17 21:49
这是张非常不错的片子,可是要说有多牛逼,那确实就是见仁见智的事情了 ...

我见到你这边,这个个人感觉炫技朵过于照片本身,看的我眼花缭乱,今这个帖子追了一天了
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workflow 发表于 2013-7-17 21:57
当然大家都喜欢听拜年话,照片贴出来,几个人喊“好,好看”,“美啊”,“牛逼”,然后呢。作为一个摄影 ...


这个问题无解,高手太少,能给建议的人更少
大部分都是群众叫好的,满足一下虚荣心吧
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autrant 发表于 2013-7-17 21:49
这是张非常不错的片子,可是要说有多牛逼,那确实就是见仁见智的事情了 ...

我现在知道问题在哪儿了,是每个人的审美和品味不同,萝卜青菜各有所爱,没有谁对谁错。但是这胶片确实是数码很难准确得模拟来的。说到这儿,想起最近想给孩子买钢琴,一开始想买个电的,就好比数码相机一样,使用方便,功能也多,但是去了琴行才一比较才知道,电子的毕竟是电子的,无论怎么模拟都离真正的钢琴差一节,其实价格和低端的钢琴一样。那么这并不是说电子钢琴弹出的不能听,高手一样可以在电子钢琴上新云流水,演奏美妙的音乐,但这美妙也只是对我们这些业余的耳朵没有受过专业训练的人来说。如果真想到专业演奏级别,真正的钢琴是不可替代的。
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咪咪露 发表于 2013-7-17 21:58
我见到你这边,这个个人感觉炫技朵过于照片本身,看的我眼花缭乱,今这个帖子追了一天了  ...

好不好,个人观点可以不同
但是要说,花点功夫,人人都能拍得出来,我不敢同意
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老陶 发表于 2013-7-17 21:54
嗯,版主在一边偷着乐,创日发帖纪录阿。大家尽量聊的开心点哈。不过,控制一下自己的情绪。如果有谁控制 ...

这叫百家谈啊,你给我们打打气,来点分什么的啊,别躲在一边发财啊

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我现在知道问题在哪儿了,是每个人的审美和品味不同,萝卜青菜各有所爱,没有谁对谁错。但是这胶片确实是 ...

是的啰

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其实,拍的越多才越知道自己差的更多。比如最近自己鼓捣摄影棚,才知道玩灯有多复杂,不亲自体会,永远是坐井观天

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咪咪露 发表于 2013-7-17 22:10
是的啰

好久没这么激烈得讨论了,挺爽的,不过话说在前,我就事不就人,希望大家也保持这和谐的气氛。不然不是吓你们,老陶躲在后面看我们呢,这次要是我们让这位小妹的贴被关,那可真是罪过啊

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workflow 发表于 2013-7-17 22:12
其实,拍的越多才越知道自己差的更多。比如最近自己鼓捣摄影棚,才知道玩灯有多复杂,不亲自体会,永远是坐 ...

所以啊,捣鼓器材也很重要啊,没玩过怎么知道该怎么玩,玩得好于坏是另一回事。

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workflow 发表于 2013-7-17 21:57
当然大家都喜欢听拜年话,照片贴出来,几个人喊“好,好看”,“美啊”,“牛逼”,然后呢。作为一个摄影 ...

就刻了几张碟的时间居然到了7页了.......
这个真汗啊,说真话最容易得罪人了,还真有人喜欢听我的刻薄话呀。
说实在话,早上看到这个贴,我想说的是:你已经浪费了人家的时间看你的照片了,还期望人家花宝贵的时间委婉地回信拒绝你呢。

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workflow 发表于 2013-7-17 21:34
有自信我同意,自信太满也不是好事。不过帖子里面大部分拍砖的,都是基本楼主想以摄影为职业做前提,没有 ...

谢谢指导 我已经充分认识到自己的差距了

嘿嘿 我觉得我自信不满呀 卖了钱我真的觉得没什么了不起的 而且这都是去年的事情了 我也觉得很神奇 我就是试试看 给我朋友的摊子加点货物

话说lz的主要自信来源于考大学时的2张摄影专业合格证 当然了 那时候老师当然是以高中生的要求来看我的作品和可塑性的 lz承认上了别的专业后摄影就没有大的进步 而恰恰这几年摄影的设备和后期都有飞跃性的进展 lz并没有想马上当职业的摄影师 只是想迎头赶上 发发简历也是试试水 认识一下自己的差距在哪里

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发表于 2013-7-17 23:28 |显示全部楼层
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workflow 发表于 2013-7-17 21:38
楼上两位也别争了,这都800年前老掉牙的话题了,无忌上都不屑于吵了,还是多发片是王道 ...

说实话我也是今天被两位兄弟的胶片感染了一下,一位兄弟已经参加讨论了,不过很低调,另一位用120的兄弟,你应该有深刻的印象,不过还没出现

发表于 2013-7-17 23:29 |显示全部楼层
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Wolongshan 发表于 2013-7-17 21:35
我前一段还D60+50 1.8拍了一组人像
虽然拍的不好,主要还是自己用光和构图的问题,机器没觉得不够用
我那 ...

所以我暂时还没有换机器的打算

发表于 2013-7-17 23:32 |显示全部楼层
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workflow 发表于 2013-7-17 21:38
楼上两位也别争了,这都800年前老掉牙的话题了,无忌上都不屑于吵了,还是多发片是王道 ...

是的是的 各位神仙要和谐哈
摄影出现的时候 大家在争论摄影是不是艺术
电视出现的时候 大家在争论电视能不能成为艺术
这些随着时间的推移 都没有什么争论的价值了

发表于 2013-7-17 23:33 |显示全部楼层
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zzoz 发表于 2013-7-17 21:43
我的意思是不是要做器材党,但是要认真当成个事去做,上的了台面的器材也是需要的。 ...

当然理解你的意思啦 我也不是器材党 但是还是希望换新机器 起码的更新换代还是要的
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发表于 2013-7-17 23:37 |显示全部楼层
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Wolongshan 发表于 2013-7-17 21:46
“”说白了,很多在各大网站上上榜的图片,大多数是只要你下功夫都可以拍得出来的“”
其他的同意,这一 ...

嘿嘿 LZ还是需要努力练练才能拍的出这样的片子

发表于 2013-7-17 23:38 |显示全部楼层
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autrant 发表于 2013-7-17 21:48
今天这一帖占了摄影版3/4的发帖量

是哒是哒 多谢各位捧场啦 小女子不胜感激

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发表于 2013-7-17 23:39 |显示全部楼层
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老陶 发表于 2013-7-17 21:54
嗯,版主在一边偷着乐,创日发帖纪录阿。大家尽量聊的开心点哈。不过,控制一下自己的情绪。如果有谁控制 ...

lz也在偷着乐 嘿嘿 大家都好热情啊

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workflow 发表于 2013-7-17 21:57
当然大家都喜欢听拜年话,照片贴出来,几个人喊“好,好看”,“美啊”,“牛逼”,然后呢。作为一个摄影 ...

以此为戒 嘿嘿  lz想听批评 见标题
适当的鼓励LZ也是很开心的

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