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[宝宝健康] 你给宝宝/自己用的防晒霜有多差(防晒霜背后的那些事儿)+ 防晒常识更新在1楼 [复制链接]

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物理的质地比较绸,应该比较难用滚珠滚出来

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原帖由 viviancn 于 2011-11-12 21:56 发表
物理的质地比较绸,应该比较难用滚珠滚出来


新时代妈妈还得读得懂成分表啊
每个成功的厨娘背后都有一个嘴很挑的男人>_<

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这个很有用,谢谢分享。收藏了

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原帖由 llkk 于 2010-10-22 23:30 发表
物理防晒不油腻不可能的,但晚上怎么给宝宝卸掉呢?小孩子肯定不可能用洗面乳,会破坏了天然的皮脂膜——宝宝皮肤本来就比成人的薄。所以我的宝宝9-10个月,现在根本不给她用防晒,白天出去尽量不要晒到脸,有帽子,推车有遮阳棚。 ... OXYBENZONE虽然争议很大,但我很崇拜的一个皮肤专家LESLIE BAUMANN用的就露得清的ULTRA SHEER DRY-TOUCH SPF55, 里面有6%的OXYBENZONE,达到了这个成分的使用上限了。


我医院的皮肤科专科医生自己也是用露得清的ULTRA SHEER。澳洲目前所有的防晒霜最多是SPF30, 法律似乎规定不能推销更高SPF的产品,但是这项条文会被修改。其实SPF50 和SPF30 的区别只是多block了几个百分比的uva 和UVB。

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看到很多妈妈问要不要給小bb搽防晒的,更新了一些常识在1楼。大家加分不要手软哈。

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2010年度奖章获得者

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1年多了, 才好好看了一下这个帖子。

LZ, 你家娃应该是OXYBEZONE 过敏

这个东西致敏率不低的, 好些成人都一样过敏。 甚至是游泳啊什么的公共设施里, 蹭到了也过敏---对这样的人表示很同情
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太感谢楼主了,最近的更新很有用!

这个贴为什么不精华呢?

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原帖由 魔头 于 2011-11-13 00:17 发表
1年多了, 才好好看了一下这个帖子。

LZ, 你家娃应该是OXYBEZONE 过敏

这个东西致敏率不低的, 好些成人都一样过敏。 甚至是游泳啊什么的公共设施里, 蹭到了也过敏---对这样的人表示很同情

他去游泳池倒没事。不过有次cc的阿姨误涂了cc的防晒霜,他的整个脸都肿起来了,吓得她立马打电话給我。

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原帖由 想念天空 于 2011-11-13 10:21 发表
太感谢楼主了,最近的更新很有用!

这个贴为什么不精华呢?

谢谢mm加分。你去报告版主吧(paopaobing(32))

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原帖由 viviancn 于 2011-11-13 10:54 发表

谢谢mm加分。你去报告版主吧(paopaobing(32))


我去了。

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今天在超市看到新出的Banana Boat Mineral Protect防晒系列,貌似也是物理防晒的

官网介绍:
Banana Boat Mineral Protect SPF 30+ contains naturally sourced zinc that goes on clear to create natural physical blockers from the sun’s rays, providing broad spectrum UVA/UVB protection without chemical sunscreen actives or white residue. With a product for both kids and those with sensitive skin, Banana Boat Mineral Protect SPF 30+ provides premium protection without the premium price tag!

http://bananaboat.com.au/products/whats-new/

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原帖由 weiweizx 于 2011-11-14 21:07 发表
今天在超市看到新出的Banana Boat Mineral Protect防晒系列,貌似也是物理防晒的

官网介绍:
Banana Boat Mineral Protect SPF 30+ contains naturally sourced zinc that goes on clear to create natural physical bl ...

看起来不错,就不知道有没有用纳米颗粒(paopaobing(32)) Natural Instinct也有个类似的产品。

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原帖由 viviancn 于 2011-11-14 21:39 发表

看起来不错,就不知道有没有用纳米颗粒(paopaobing(32)) Natural Instinct也有个类似的产品。


从产品包装上能看出有没有采用纳米颗粒吗?还是要买了用了才知道?
纳米颗粒的危害和化学物质的危害,哪个更严重?

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如果上面没写,你可以email去问。我还是喜欢用organic的

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谢谢mm作更新。
我在阿德,好像没有办法店里买到mm推荐的那几款防晒霜,看来只能网购了。

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很好的帖子,学习了。
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我查了EWG网站,貌似这种BABY防晒霜比较好?用人用过吗?
http://breakingnews.ewg.org/2011 ... _Baby%2C_SPF_30%2B/

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分享一下bhyqs推荐的一篇报道 http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-t ... Installation_files/

Sunscreen cancer risk
Nano technology is being put to use by the beauty industry, allowing microscopic ingredients to penetrate into skin cells, and posing a potential risk.
Research shows the use of nano technology in makeup and sunscreens may cause big problems, and increase the risk of skin cancer.

So which sunscreens are the safest to buy?

The wonders of beauty science means our skin is made to look younger, smoother, and more translucent as the technology penetrates more deeply into the cells. But the very technology that achieves these marvels could actually be dangerous for our health.
More stories from Today Tonight
Nano cosmetics
Chemical dangers in sunscreens
Finding the right sunscreen


70 per cent of sunscreens on the market, as well as 300 lotions and creams, contain tiny microscopic metallic ingredients - finely ground aluminium, zinc, titanium and silica. They're called nano-particles and they’re 1,000 times smaller than the diameter of a human hair.

Many makeup products also contain nano-particles, but leading scientists and health groups are now warning they pose serious safety risks.

“The smaller we make these particles, the more likelihood there is it will penetrate our skin, where they can do further damage,” said Dr Gregory Crocetti, from the Friends of the Earth Nanotechnology Project.

Today Tonight's latest beauty stories

Sunscreens are very effective in protecting you from the sun, but the cruel irony is that products with nano-ingredients could actually increase the risk of skin cancer, and may even lead to birth defects.

“With nano-particles, rather than reflecting the ultraviolet light, they actually absorb it, and from absorbing that ultraviolet light, they produce free radicals on the surface of the nano-particle. These free radicals are extremely reactive compounds that can, were they to be active around strands of genetic material, cause mutations within that genetic material, by which skin cancer could be produced,” dermatologist Dr Robert Salmon said.

Dr Salmon says the worry is that nano-particles are so minute, it's very difficult to study the effects.

“The whole question here is whether these nano-particles do penetrate to the level of live cells. Some of the studies suggest that they may penetrate to the level of live cells under certain circumstances, whereas other studies contradict those studies.”

Dr Crocetti says that “there has been very little research into nano-sunscreens using human subjects, but early research has shown that zinc from zinc oxide nano-formulation was able to penetrate through human skin, and turned up in their blood and their urine.”

Studies have shown nano-particles cause inflammation of mice lungs, and can cross the placenta of pregnant mice, causing behaviour changes.

Today Tonight's latest health stories

“The main reason companies use nano-particles in their sunscreens is for that transparency effect so it rubs on clearer and possibly feels a little less greasy,” Dr Crocetti said.

Certain people are more at risk when wearing nano-sunscreens.

“Anyone that has a decreased barrier function in the skin, nano-particles penetrate further. They'll be people such as those that develop eczema, patients that are on certain treatments for acne, including the oral rhetinoids,” Dr Salmon warned.

Also more vulnerable are outdoor workers and young children who wear nano-sunscreen every day.

“Some of the studies show that with lots of reflection and movement around the joints, these nano-particles may penetrate further,” he said.

Health and industry groups are calling on the Government's Therapeutic Goods Administration to introduce mandatory labelling to let people know if nano-particles are in sunscreens.

“With 85 per cent of Australians wanting labelling, why is the Government sitting on its hands and doing nothing?” asked Dr Crocetti.

“The European Union is taking bold steps to introduce labelling laws to protect people. Here in Australia we're getting no protection.”
Nano-free sunscreen brands include:
Invisible Zinc
The Wiggles
Chemmart
Face of Australia
Le Tan
Natio
Woolworths Select
Coles
Jurlique
Auscreen
Amcal
Some Banana Boat
Terry White Chemists
Cancer Council
WOTNOT
Zinke by Key Sun


Cancer Council sunscreens are all nano free and zinc-based, with no titanium dioxide in the ingredients; says CEO Dr Andrew Penman.

“They are simply not necessary for sunscreen effect. They don’t add to the sunscreen quality. The Cancer Council range are, in your terms, a sure bet,” Dr Penman said.

It's still very important to keep wearing sunscreens every day, but you do have a choice to buy the nano-free products.

The Friends of the Earth pamphlet lists the nano-free ones available on the market.

Download the Safe Sunscreen Guide pdf

Download the ACCORD nano-labelling proposal
Contact details
Friends of the Earth Nanotechnology Project www.nano.foe.org.au
NSW Cancer Council - www.cancercouncil.com.au
Therapeutic Goods Australia Sunscreens factsheet - www.tga.gov.au

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上面说了Jurlique是nano free,但2010年的另一个调查是它含有nano




secondary suncreen, 护肤品里面带防晒成分的

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好帖要收藏,快看看给女儿用的防晒霜是什么成分
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Preventing skin cancer

Protect your skin
For best protection, we recommend a combination of sun protection measures:

Slip on some sun-protective clothing – that covers as much skin as possible
Slop on broad spectrum, water resistant SPF30+ sunscreen. Put it on 20 minutes before you go outdoors and every two hours afterwards. Sunscreen should never be used to extend the time you spend in the sun.
Slap on a hat – that protects your face, head, neck and ears
Seek shade
Slide on some sunglasses – make sure they meet Australian Standards
Extra care should be taken between 10am and 3pm when UV levels reach their peak.

For further information please read our position statements on Eye protection and the Use of SPF30+ sunscreens.

SunSmart UV alert
The SunSmart UV Alert is reported in the weather section of daily newspapers and on the Bureau of Meteorology website.

Issued by the Bureau when they forecast a UV Index for the day of three or above, the SunSmart UV Alert identifies the times during the day when sun protection will be needed.

Applying sunscreen
Apply sunscreen liberally – at least a teaspoon for each limb, front and back of the body and half a teaspoon for the face, neck and ears. Most people don’t apply enough sunscreen resulting in only 50-80% of the protection stated on the product.

Sun protection and babies
Evidence suggests that childhood sun exposure contributes significantly to your lifetime risk of skin cancer. Cancer Council Australia recommends keeping babies out of the sun as much as possible for the first 12 months.

Where this is not possible, parents and carers should minimise exposure by:

Planning the day’s activities outside the peak UV times of 10am – 3pm.
Cover as much skin as possible with loose fitting clothes and wraps made from closely woven fabrics.
Choosing a hat that protects the baby’s face, neck and ears.
Make use of available shade or create shade for the pram, stroller or play area. The material should cast a dark shadow. They baby will still need to be protected from scattered and reflected UV radiation.
Keep an eye on the baby’s clothing, hat and shade to ensure they continue to be well-protected.
Apply a broad spectrum, water resistant sunscreen to small areas of the skin that cannot be protected by clothing, such as the face, ears, neck and hands, remembering to reapply the sunscreen every two hours or more often it is wiped or washed off.
There is no evidence that using sunscreen on babies is harmful, although some babies may develop minor skin irritation. Try sunscreen milks or creams for sensitive skin which are less likely to irritate the skin. As with all products, use of any sunscreen should cease if any unusual reaction occurs.

For further information please read or position statement on Sun protection and infants (0-12 months) and Tinted windows.

If you require further information about skin cancer prevention call Cancer Council Helpline on 13 11 20 (a local call from anywhere in Australia).


http://www.cancer.org.au/cancers ... ntingskincancer.htm

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How Toxic is Your Sunscreen?

Dr Peter Dingle presents the evidence behind a growing concern about chemicals in sunscreens.

During the past 50 years, we have increased the number of synthetic sunscreen chemicals that we use. We have done this with virtually no consideration of how vulnerable we are to these chemicals - or how little we know about their subtle and cumulative toxic effects. We assume that because they are so easily purchased from the supermarket shelf, they must be safe to use. Wrong! Many of these chemicals are known to be toxic; very few are carefully studied before they are put on the shelf and made available to the general public. In fact, many of these chemicals have been used for more than five decades without any deliberation about their potential toxic effects. There is no doubt that the products in everyday sunscreens are toxic. The only real question is: what effects do they have on you and your family?

The question of whether sunscreen prevents skin cancer remains unanswered. More than a dozen epidemiological studies show an increased risk of skin cancer to the sunscreen user. A review of studies on skin cancer and sunscreens by "Science News" found that people who used sunscreen were more likely to develop basal cell cancer than people who did not. The possibility remains that these products may be contributing to skin cancers. This is supported by the fact that the toxic chemicals used in sunscreens could very well constitute a potential mechanism for the development of skin cancers.

Many of the chemicals in sunscreens have minimal toxicological effects when first applied to the skin. However, once exposed to sunlight, reactions occur between the sunscreen's active and inactive ingredients and the epidermis. Toxic reactions include inflammation, dermalogical effects, allergic reactions and photogenotoxic (DNA altering) effects. Many chemicals in sunscreens have been found to be phototoxic (becoming toxic when exposed to light), causing burning, irritations, pigment changes and photoallergic effects such as hypersensitivity to chemicals.

Titanium dioxide, or Ti02, has been found to form harmful free radicals that react with skin cells, resulting in intracellular damage, including damage to DNA. On absorption of UV light, photo-generated titanium dioxide particles create singlet oxygen, superoxide anions (O2-) and hydroxyl radicals (OH-) that are potent free radicals. This damage can lead to the development of mutant cells and skin cancers.

Octyl methoxycinnamate (OMC) is one of the most frequently used chemical UV filters worldwide and has been reported to cause photosensitisation and photoallergic effects. OMC easily penetrates the upper layer of the skin and, when exposed to UV radiation, generates free radicals in skin cells. Recent studies indicate that OMC may also have significant undesirable effects as a xenoestrogen.

Extensive research has shown that a number of UV filters frequently used in the formulation of commercial sunscreens, such as 4 MBC, octyl methoxycinnamate, oxybenzone (benzophenone-3), octyl-dimethyl-PABA and octinoxate, possess endocrine activity. Endocrine disruptors are chemicals that interfere with endogenous hormone action and/or production. These have been implicated in the development of a number of diseases in both males and females, including cancer of the mammary glands and reproductive organs, as well as the abnormal development of the male reproductive system. In one study, the application of three active ingredients commonly found in sunscreens (oxybenzone, 4-MBC and octinoxate) for one week led to a drop in testosterone and estradiol levels in men. More worrying is that these chemicals have been found in breast milk at concentrations known to have oestrogenic effects.

4-Methylbenzylidene camphor (4-MBC) competes with estradiol for oestrogen binding sites in the uterus, indicating that it may act as an environmental oestrogen. Laboratory tests on rats exposed to 4-MBC revealed that male rats born to mothers exposed to this compound had lower testis weight, experienced delayed puberty and decreased adult prostate weight. Human trials found that both OMC and 4-MBC were readily absorbed through the skin and were detectable in urine.

These compounds may pose an even higher danger to prepubescent children with low levels of endogenous hormones. Youngsters are likely to be exposed to greater concentrations of these compounds as a result of their larger surface area to volume ratio, undeveloped toxin elimination systems, greater application rates and the fact that they are likely to swallow small amounts when the sunscreen is being applied to their face and lips.

Daily use of a sunscreen with benzophenones can cause photo-contact dermatitis, rosacea, burning, itching and erythema. Benzophenone, along with menadione, form free radicals which can initiate a chain reaction that will cause damage to anything it comes in contact with, including cell DNA.

Oxybenzone (benzophenone 3) is a benzophenone derivate commonly used which is rapidly oxidised to become a potent free radical and linked with cell damage. It has also been linked with allergies and xenoestrogenic properties. A recent study found that mothers with high levels of oxybenzone in their bodies were more likely to give birth to underweight baby girls which is linked with many health complications later in life. In the words of the researcher, "It would be prudent not to apply oxybenzone to large surface areas of skin for extended and repeated periods of time, unless no alternative protection is available."

A study by the Center for Disease Control in the US found that 97 per cent of the 2,500 people tested aged six years and up had oxybenzone in their urine. An earlier study found oxybenzone in the urine of all adults tested and being excreted many days after the last application, which suggests a tendency to accumulate in fatty tissues in the body.

Avobenzone is another compound that upon exposure to UV light generates free radicals; PABA (para-aminobenzoic acid) was one of the first commercially used UVB sunscreens. The US Food and Drug Administration limits PABA content in sunscreen to a maximum of 15 per cent of total ingredients; in Europe, the limit is set at 5 per cent. PABA is listed as a permitted active ingredient (of concentration up to 15 per cent) in Australia under the TGA (1989). PABA is prohibited as a sunscreen ingredient in countries such as Canada due to its ability to affect DNA in human cells in a manner that results in increased susceptibility in some people to skin cancer. PABA has been found to form potent free radicals when exposed to UV light.

Padimate A, an ester of PABA, (amyl para-dimethylaminobenzoate) causes phototoxic reactions. Padimate A reacts with UVA to produce symptoms widely resembling sunburn in some individuals without sunburn cells.

Padimate O (2-ethylhexyl-4-dimethylaminobenzoate ), when exposed to sunlight, generates free radicals that cause strand breaks on DNA. An experiment with Padimate O found that it produces singlet oxygen (free radicals) upon illumination and increased indirect DNA damage by a factor of 75 over sunlight exposure alone.

In 1994, researchers at the Harvard Medical School found that the ingredient psolaren in sunscreens is an extremely efficient carcinogen. People with psoriasis are at greater risk than others, as their squamous cell carcinoma rate was found to be 83 times higher than that of the general population. PBSA (2-phenylbenzimidazole-5-sulfonic acid) and Parsol 1789 are also linked with causing DNA damage.

Octyl salicylate and Dibenzoylmethanes are associated with an increase in photoallergy and contact allergy, as well as the other dibenzoylmethane derivatives such as 5-methoxypsolaren (5-MOP) and isopropyl dibenzoyl methane (Eusolex 8020).

Preservatives can be just as toxic as the sunscreens. Formaldehyde, a chemical that causes cancer in some animals and a strong skin irritant, is also used by some manufacturers as a preservative. DMDM Hydantion, diazolindinyl urea (also with a trade name GERMALL) and quaternium are chemicals that release formaldehyde and have been associated with skin senitisation and rash.

Excipients make up approximately 80 per cent of sunscreens and act as the carriers or base materials of a product. They "receive" and carry the other ingredients. Excipients include mineral oil, petrolatum, isopropyl esters, lanolin derivatives, aliphatic alcohols, emulsifiers, fragrances, thickeners and preservatives. In Australia, sunscreen manufacturers only have to list the "active ingredients," those that are used in blocking the sun, and preservatives. By contrast, cosmetics legislation makes companies list all the ingredients, despite the fact that sunscreens may be applied all over the body, multiple times each day and all over our kids.

Most of the major active ingredients in sunscreens that have been tested for their ability to enter the blood through the skin have shown positive results. One experiment found benzophenone-3, octyl-methoxycinnamate (OMC) and 3-(4-methylbenzylidene) camphor (4-MBC) were all detected in plasma one to two hours after one application. Peak median plasma levels were reported at three to four hours after initial application and participants continued to excrete it many days after the last application of the chemical, which suggests it may accumulate in fatty tissues in the body.

A large proportion of the active ingredients in sunscreens can also act as penetration enhancers that speed up the movement of other chemicals through the skin and into the blood. In a number of studies, sunscreens have enhanced the penetration through the skin of pesticides such as 2,4 dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4, D), paraquat, parathion and malathion and industrial solvents.

Safer barriers

A number of products are now available that afford just as good sun protection as the synthetic toxic sunscreen ingredients, but with a much reduced risk. Black and green tea extract gel was found to first prevent erythema and acute sunburn because of direct sunlight, as well as to repair DNA damage inside the skin. Human skin is capable of absorbing various nutrients directly and clinical studies have indicated that tea polyphenols are readily absorbed when topical applications are applied to the skin. Formulations containing products such as vitamin A, vitamin E, lycopene and green tea are at present readily available on the cosmetic market.

Zinc oxide is considered considerably safer than titanium dioxide and covers the full UVA and UVB spectrum from 290 to 400nm, the most complete spectrum. Microfine zinc oxide is less white than titanium dioxide as a sunscreen ingredient and it is more protective against long wave UVA.

Buy only products that list all the ingredients. The product packaging must state as such: all ingredients are listed. You don't want them to just accidently miss one. The list will be at least 10 items long and in most cases much longer. The claim of being "natural" can be very misleading. Even more misleading, the term "natural" can be a part of the name of a product and therefore not necessarily a claim! Perhaps a better approach is to ask for products that are free from synthetic chemicals. Claims of being chemical-free usually imply this but are not really precise enough. Everything is made from chemicals, so "chemical-free" is not possible. Organic products refer to products that have an extremely high level of certification and quality assurance. This means a lot of work has already been done to validate their safety. None of the toxic ingredients I have listed as toxic above are permitted in organic certification. To find the safest sunscreens, look for products that resemble food ingredients. This would include a plant-based oil, green tea and vitamin E. In the future, all sunscreens will be made of edible ingredients probably with a little zinc oxide thrown in.

A final word

Only through consumer pressure will the bigger companies change to safer, less toxic ingredients in sunscreens. Science has never been enough to change the world - it can only help individuals make better choices and they can then change the world.

My aim is not to drive people out into the midday sun without protection. My goal is to get people to think twice about the products they use.

Good luck and good health to you and your family.

The complete study (50+ pages) is available at www.drdingle.com

Peter Dingle is Associate Professor in Health and the Environment at Murdoch University, Western Australia

http://www.novamagazine.com.au/a ... _toxicsunscreen.htm

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