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[外汇债券] Z1P/SZL/BNPL [复制链接]

发表于 2020-9-2 14:36 |显示全部楼层
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ayzlgs 发表于 2020-9-2 14:19
大神什么时候出

不是大神
APT短线的我早就卖了啊
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国内银联出了虚拟卡,申请和支付宝啥的一样,不用去银行了,无卡是趋势,澳洲也会慢慢出现

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qgao001 发表于 2020-9-2 13:14
今天入了吗?我还想再等等。我们z1p 9现在看了出对了,逃过一劫。

今天没有,我的性格老i是想太多犹犹豫豫,再看看吧啊,你入了没。。
我家闺女会笑了:)
我家闺女会歪嘴冷笑了。。。。。。

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如果看一下COMMSEC页首,你会发现今天MOST POPULAR SELL 是APT, SZL, MOST POPULAR BUY 是ZIP. 说明啥?你们懂的。

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topliu 发表于 2020-9-2 13:05
果然是职业玩家啊,小散哪有时间关注那么多股票啊

我有大把时间在家看市啊,关键有犹犹豫豫下不了手,这种性格做不了dt的。。。
我家闺女会笑了:)
我家闺女会歪嘴冷笑了。。。。。。

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stunner 发表于 2020-9-2 13:36
ZIP看周五的消息了。今天CSL又上去了。

周五啥消息?
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chechebon 发表于 2020-9-2 13:53
周五啥消息?

好像是要进入asx200,说错请纠正我。。

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stunner 发表于 2020-9-2 13:49
如果看一下COMMSEC页首,你会发现今天MOST POPULAR SELL 是APT, SZL, MOST POPULAR BUY 是ZIP. 说明啥?你 ...

说明机构在进还是散户接盘?

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感觉大家下午都好沉默啊

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jay550 发表于 2020-9-2 15:01
发个图把。

回踩30天均线
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aulin 发表于 2020-9-2 13:19
前两周涨太猛,本身就有很多卖压需要释放,再加上asx本身很弱,也算借势洗了一把盘。我觉得ok, 虽然看着p ...

你补哪个?apt 还是z1p

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stunner 发表于 2020-9-2 14:49
如果看一下COMMSEC页首,你会发现今天MOST POPULAR SELL 是APT, SZL, MOST POPULAR BUY 是ZIP. 说明啥?你 ...

不准的
你要看这个买,那也太业余了吧
此号加分能力强

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今天bnpl最稳的居然是SZL
看看收盘是什么情况了

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yoyowa 发表于 2020-9-2 15:12
今天bnpl最稳的居然是SZL
看看收盘是什么情况了

不是啊大神,最稳的是老大apt啊
我家闺女会笑了:)
我家闺女会歪嘴冷笑了。。。。。。

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川北凉粉 发表于 2020-9-2 16:13
不是啊大神,最稳的是老大apt啊

不是大神
说明你不会看图,APT日内走势已经走坏了,除非最后半小时机构来猛拉到83,不然没戏唱了

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yoyowa 发表于 2020-9-2 15:17
不是大神
说明你不会看图,APT日内走势已经走坏了,除非最后半小时机构来猛拉到83,不然没戏唱了 ...

大大,你今天补的szl出了吗?我觉得szl真的是表现ok
我家闺女会笑了:)
我家闺女会歪嘴冷笑了。。。。。。

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川北凉粉 发表于 2020-9-2 16:18
大大,你今天补的szl出了吗?我觉得szl真的是表现ok

8.4出掉了
8.5是阻力位,我都没想到今天能冲过去,SZL今天表现算可以的了
此号加分能力强

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yoyowa 发表于 2020-9-2 15:24
8.4出掉了
8.5是阻力位,我都没想到今天能冲过去,SZL今天表现算可以的了

7.8 入了一些 zip 准备dt的

但是现在看着别的bnpl都涨起来了就他还是这个样子,觉得明天能不能领涨 有些犹豫要不要卖掉

你怎么看?

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墨尔本玩家 发表于 2020-9-2 16:28
7.8 入了一些 zip 准备dt的

但是现在看着别的bnpl都涨起来了就他还是这个样子,觉得明天能不能领涨 有 ...

我也不知道
今天我就没买Z1P
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墨尔本玩家 发表于 2020-9-2 16:28
7.8 入了一些 zip 准备dt的

但是现在看着别的bnpl都涨起来了就他还是这个样子,觉得明天能不能领涨 有 ...

今天Z1P有到7.8??
你是不是看错了,6.8吧
此号加分能力强
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liuli 发表于 2020-9-2 15:09
你补哪个?apt 还是z1p

都不补。为啥跌了就要补仓?

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yoyowa 发表于 2020-9-2 15:33
今天Z1P有到7.8??
你是不是看错了,6.8吧

是的,写错了  6.8。哈哈

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APT $74 猶豫一下錯過了

SZL $7.5 反而撈到點

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aulin 发表于 2020-9-2 16:36
都不补。为啥跌了就要补仓?

你是长线玩家,实力雄厚,成本又低,不需要加仓了

但是今天对于我这种偶尔喜欢玩玩短线的人来说,黄金机会,这样的panic selling真是不可多得,简直是送钱

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From Financial Review, 有点长。

Buy now, pay later chiefs try to calm investors

The bosses of Sezzle, Zip and Splitit moved to assuage investor fears about the impact of PayPal's entry into the buy now, pay later market in the US as share prices across the sector sank anew on Wednesday.

Sezzle shares opened 15 per cent lower after being smashed by the same amount on Tuesday amid a sector rout and were down 6 per cent at $8.22 mid-afternoon. But its CEO, Charlie Youakim, said more intense competition was expected and that the market was big enough for multiple players.


Sezzle founder Charlie Youakim: "There is more than room for multiple players." Wayne Taylor

"We always expected further competition in the buy now, pay later space and we are more than prepared for it," he said.

Afterpay shares opened down 10 per cent after 8 per cent losses on Tuesday, before settling to be down 3 per cent at $81.59 in the afternoon session.

Zip Co was hit the hardest, falling a further 17 per cent early on Wednesday after a 12 per cent loss on Tuesday, and was down 12 per cent at $7.05 later in the trading day as Citi downgraded its rating to a "sell".

The savage sell-off is occurring after PayPal, which has 190 million active accounts in the United States, announced on Monday a new product with exactly the same features as Afterpay and Sezzle – but at a lower cost to merchants.


PayPal's 'Pay in 4' will launch in the fourth quarter of this calendar year, offering its 190m US users the same product as Afterpay.  Bloomberg

"The buy now, pay later sector in the US is very nascent compared to Australia and there is more than room for multiple players," Mr Youakim said.

"We're constantly evolving and adapting to the needs and wants of our consumers, rolling out new products, and expanding into new geographies."

Zip co-founder Larry Diamond also sought to calm the market, saying the PayPal move would help increase awareness of the instalment option.

"It is great validation that buy now, pay later is here to stay permanently as a true disrupter to the credit card," he said. "It will become mainstream. As the overall pie increases, we are very well placed to capitalise on the increasing and rapid awareness."

Splitit, meanwhile, fell 7 per cent to $1.60 and Openpay (which does not operate in the US) dropped 10 per cent to $3.63, reversing strong gains over recent months.

Splitit chief executive Brad Paterson said the company had a unique model making it complementary to other providers, including PayPal. "We see PayPal joining the sector as a positive for Splitit as they accelerate acceptance of instalments as a payment option around the world," he said.

Taking on a Goliath
But analysts are highlighting the American payment giant's almost-ubiquitous presence as a concern for Afterpay, Zip and Sezzle customer and merchant growth rates. Their share prices are largely tied to growth in the US.

Investors are worried merchants will seek to negotiate down the higher fees charged by Afterpay, Sezzle and also QuadPay – which Zip has just taken over – which will squeeze the 'net transaction margin', the key earnings driver.

PayPal's new product will be provided at the same, standard pricing as its online purchases: 2.9 per cent of sales. This compares with an average cost for Afterpay of about 4 per cent of the cost of goods sold, 6 per cent for Sezzle and about 7 per cent for QuadPay.

The dance of the elephants has started.

— Grant Halverson, McLean Roche payments expert

Macquarie said on Wednesday that PayPal appears to be a lower-cost offering for both merchants and consumers for a very similar product to QuadPay.

"A lack of differentiation could limit the ability for QuadPay to increase their customer numbers at the same rate as larger peers. Given PayPal’s size, they have the balance sheet to compete and extend the path to profitability for smaller players," it said.

Part of the sharp share price declines reflects the need for more investment to encourage retailers to integrate with them in addition to PayPal.


Zip founder Larry Diamond: "Our ability to move quickly has and will always separate us from the global payment elephants".  James Brickwood

Forbes reported overnight that PayPal could undercut the competition on fees by leveraging its already dominant, highly profitable payments network.

About 80 per cent of the top 100 retailers in the United States allow customers to pay with PayPal, while nearly 70 per cent of all US online buyers have PayPal accounts. The new "Pay in 4" option will appear automatically as an option in users' PayPal wallets.

Not just PayPal
Competition in the US is not only coming from PayPal, but also major investment banks and traditional credit card companies.

Citi announced on August 3 a deal with Amazon to provide instalment products on its platform, while American Express is rolling out its own product dubbed "Pay It Plan It", which allows users of its mobile app to split up larger purchases of $100 or more into equal monthly payments with a fixed fee of up to 1.33 percent and no interest.

"The dance of the elephants has started," said Grant Halverson, a payments expert at McLean Roche.

Other fintechs ramping up, including San Francisco-based Affirm, which announced earlier this year a Shop Pay Instalments partnership with Shopify, a huge e-commerce platform; and Swedish-based Klarna, which said last week it is seeing 45,000 app installs a day globally, three times as fast as the same period last year and its app has 1.2 million monthly active users in the US.

“While we see potential for two to three buy now, pay later players to coexist, like most online verticals, we see it as a winner takes most market," said Citi analyst Siraj Ahmed.

UBS analysts said in a report last week, following Afterpay's full-year results, that “low barriers to entry, the relative ease of replicating Afterpay's product offering and competition from other payment methods leave it vulnerable to competition".

Sezzle earned $17 million from merchants on $307.4 million of sales, delivering a net transaction margin of $5.1 million, or 1.7 per cent of sales.

Mr Youakim said there was still plenty of opportunity to grow this, given buy now, pay later makes up just 1 per cent of the e-commerce payment mix in the US, compared to 8 per cent in Australia, with e-commerce comprising 12.5 per cent of a $5.4 trillion retail market. "The market is enormous," he said.

Zip shares are being hit as it announced on Tuesday the acquisition of QuadPay and an up to $200 million capital raising for US growth. Citi said its ‘Shop Anywhere’ product could come under pressure from PayPal. Meanwhile, Macquarie raised concerns about additional dilution from the QuadPay deal after Zip's falling share price forced it to issue more shares to pay for it.

"Given PayPal’s near ubiquitous merchant presence, the risk is that consumers may not be willing to pay an additional fee to use QuadPay at merchants that offer PayPal, which in turn could negatively impact QuadPay’s net transaction margins," Citi's Mr Ahmed said.

But Mr Diamond said the QuadPay deal made sense and its "investment in innovation and ability to move quickly has and will always separate us from the global payment elephants".

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这到底是谁被吓到了。。。

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rriangle 发表于 2020-9-2 14:21
说明机构在进还是散户接盘?

这个难说。

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yoyowa 发表于 2020-9-2 15:11
不准的
你要看这个买,那也太业余了吧


我本来就不是职业操盘呀。这个是不是又动了你的奶酪?

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jay550 发表于 2020-9-2 15:54
From Financial Review, 有点长。

Buy now, pay later chiefs try to calm investors

Apt都懒得回应?

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