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[选车买车] 精华贴:Pathfinder R52 终级PK Kluger (提供具体数据连接) [复制链接]

发表于 2015-6-28 23:41 |显示全部楼层
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写的好长,下一辆车好好看看PF
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CITYLOOK 发表于 2015-6-28 22:18
我还是尽量用数据说话的,虽然也有些感情色彩在里面,请凑合着看
王婆卖瓜之所以夸,那是因为她卖瓜

很少有人会写什么“完爆”的测评吧,会被人喷的。。。而且也不存在完爆的情况啊
主要是你这文章写得。。。让我这个长期潜水的都忍不住出来说两句的感觉。。。哎,anyway, congratulation on ur new car...

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jongmi 发表于 2015-6-28 22:31
STL+Option Pack真不错,性价比高,很多实实在在的好东西

对我来说丰田的配置历来不够厚道,所以基本要么 ...

同感,Kluger 所有配置里根本就没有全景摄像头和后天窗。

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northumberland 发表于 2015-6-28 22:35
如果問修車的人,most reliable car 是什麼,人家的回答基本都是Toyota,官方定價kluger比PF高,但是配置沒 ...

Toyota车坏了确实容易修
这个容易体现在:
1 零部件比较容易接触
2 外行比较容易上手
3 修理技术非常容易学习和传播

我曾经给车换过冷却液
一辆丰田,一辆三菱
之前完全没经验
丰田打开冷却液阀门用了最多3分钟
三菱用了半个小时

原因是啥呢,想了想
那辆三菱有底盘保护,虽说也不是啥金属钢板,其实就是一个塑料板,卸了螺丝,塑料防护板才能用手够得到阀门

不知道丰田是不是给省了,还是就没设计,还是觉得没必要,手伸进去直接拧

不知道是不是有人说我主观,或者王婆卖瓜,或者一脚把别的车给踩死了

发表于 2015-6-29 00:02 |显示全部楼层
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iamwhoami 发表于 2015-6-28 22:35
噪音问题,忍不住插两句

我没有PF也没有kluger,但我有murano和tarago,分别是nissan 3.5V6和丰田3.5V6, ...

确实和我的试驾感受差不多
我对高音比较敏感,受不了高音发动机的嘶吼

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CITYLOOK 发表于 2015-6-28 22:55
Toyota车坏了确实容易修
这个容易体现在:
1 零部件比较容易接触


Reliable car 是等車老了以後出故障的機率比一般車小。馬路上面的舊車還是Toyota最多,為什麼?
給浮雲的肯定不是壞蛋!
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发表于 2015-6-29 00:03 |显示全部楼层
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wangmamahu 发表于 2015-6-28 22:41
很少有人会写什么“完爆”的测评吧,会被人喷的。。。而且也不存在完爆的情况啊
主要是你这文章写得。。 ...

请继续用事实喷我,不要感情用事

发表于 2015-6-29 00:15 |显示全部楼层
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northumberland 发表于 2015-6-28 23:03
Reliable car 是等車老了以後出故障的機率比一般車小。馬路上面的舊車還是Toyota最多,為什麼? ...

这还用问
当然是买的多,卖的多啦
还是那句话
满足大多数人需求的东西,未必满足所有人的需求

我想说的是balancing各个方面,而不只是reliable
某一方面特别出众,或者被想象的特别出众,必定在某些方面有所牺牲
一代人和一代人的消费观念也不近相同
有追求实用性的一代,也有追求享受炫酷的一代
没有啥是一成不变的

感觉你买了PF很闹心啊
为啥为了几千块钱买个自己不喜欢的呢,大头都花了

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northumberland 发表于 2015-6-28 22:35
如果問修車的人,most reliable car 是什麼,人家的回答基本都是Toyota,官方定價kluger比PF高,但是配置沒 ...

不可能啊,kluger已经卖得比以前好多了,还提高配置降价?反了,现在已经是变相涨价了。
2013,kluger在大型suv销量里面连前三都没进,holden的captiva 7都比她多,2014,好不容易进了前三,又被大切超过了。今年已经连续几个月领先了,反超大切了,不过还是被自家的霸道压着。
辩论不会改变事实

发表于 2015-6-29 00:18 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
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nicoleflopy 发表于 2015-6-28 09:19
羡慕,也想要七座也想要pf,可惜才买了个五座新车一年多,眼光不够远啊

我都从大切诺基换(2014年买的)成Pf了。

发表于 2015-6-29 00:20 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
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我选pf主要是因为便宜,配置丰富,kl也是好车,但价格配置不合理。这个档次的车主要还是用来拉人,买菜,谈不上啥神车。所以只要买了认为值就好。楼主喜欢pf说明喜欢的理由也没啥,没必要喷,当然,喜欢kl也有自己的理由。归根到底,谁都会喜欢自己选的车,自己开着开心就好。另外楼主辛苦了,写的这么详细,我在中文网站上以前找不到这种评测,有也是英文的。
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发表于 2015-6-29 00:25 |显示全部楼层
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northumberland 发表于 2015-6-28 23:03
Reliable car 是等車老了以後出故障的機率比一般車小。馬路上面的舊車還是Toyota最多,為什麼? ...

所以修旧车的师傅都说toyota好
好修
坏了也容易修
也容易上手
学徒容易出师

都说三菱不好

我04年买的96年的二手三菱开了两年到16万公里
两年内只换过机油,两条轮胎

07年买的新的三菱,CVT的到现在也快8年了
一年保养一次
到现在就换过一个电池,还是6年的时候换的
四条轮胎

可能有人会说这是人品好,个例。。。
我确实没觉得它质量比toyota差啊。。。
我如何相信toyota质量比这些车好?

发表于 2015-6-29 00:27 |显示全部楼层
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loz123456 发表于 2015-6-28 23:20
我选pf主要是因为便宜,配置丰富,kl也是好车,但价格配置不合理。这个档次的车主要还是用来拉人,买菜,谈 ...

谢谢你给出的正面的评价

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pathfinder2015 发表于 2015-6-28 23:18
我都从大切诺基换(2014年买的)成Pf了。

其实大切还是蛮吊的
如果质控和7座弄好,真的也是良心价了

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楼主写得很好,作了很多功课。
大家评论不一, 请用自己的经历事实说明。


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CITYLOOK 发表于 2015-6-28 23:15
这还用问
当然是买的多,卖的多啦
还是那句话

不是不喜歡,是覺得你沒有必要用PF把kluger貶的這麼低,再說本來就說了塗一個便宜,再加一萬才能有相同的配置。一萬也是錢啊。我也說了2個車都是相對便宜的好車。這款PF只是剛起步而已,不知道會曇花一現還是真正能和kluger長期競爭一下。論舒適我會覺得PF比kluger好,論質量,一個出了10多年,一個承載車身從13年開始。客觀一點吧。
給浮雲的肯定不是壞蛋!
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关于车质量,其实各大厂商日系和韩系来说都差不多了,只是有的厂商口碑积累的时间长,有的短,比如现代,以前口碑很一般,2014年返修率已经低过丰田了,所以车场的人说其实现在的车都差不了多少,主要看个人对品牌的认知,和好感度。

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roo_905 发表于 2015-6-28 21:52
非常想念旧款pathfinder的样子。

+1

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pathfinder2015 发表于 2015-6-28 23:18
我都从大切诺基换(2014年买的)成Pf了。

啊?那你大切两年新的车卖掉少了多少?

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northumberland 发表于 2015-6-28 23:31
不是不喜歡,是覺得你沒有必要用PF把kluger貶的這麼低,再說本來就說了塗一個便宜,再加一萬才能有相同的 ...

兄弟,我的确是在客观的讲事实
Pathfinder R52不是第一代车
也不是第一代承载车身的pathfinder
这个我在买之前,就在纸上研究过
四代pathfinder经历了 非承载 - 承载 - 非承载 - 承载的演绎
一个车型脱胎换骨的换了好几次有些朋友可能觉得是设计不成功,颠三倒四,是失败之举
相反,我觉得是适应市场需求根据市场做的产品的转型
可能第四代的车与前面几代8杆子打不着,变化脱胎换骨,缺少了承继性
可是我相信坛子里更多的兄弟骂某些黑心厂商只换汤不换药,变个脸,拉个皮就拿出来卖
之所以一直还能沿用Pathfinder这个名字,说明这款车还没有做烂,做臭,而是商家对该系列产品有信心的一种体现
要是非要客观的用时间年限来比较,没法绝对的客观
难道非要等到10年后,第四代PF10多岁了和20多岁的KL比较可靠性?

以下资料来自维基


First generation WD21 series (1985-1995)

The first generation Pathfinder was originally introduced as a two-door SUV, and shared styling and most components with the Nissan Hardbody Truck. Built on a ladder-type frame, the Pathfinder was Nissan's response to the Chevrolet Blazer, Ford Bronco, Jeep Cherokee, and non-American SUVs like the Toyota 4Runner, Isuzu Trooper, and the Mitsubishi Montero.

Before the Pathfinder there was the Nissan Bushmaster (an aftermarket conversion of the Datsun Truck), but they are rare as well. One of the features that was unique at the time was an optional 4WD system that could be engaged electronically while the vehicle was moving, mated to a four-speed automatic transmission. All WD21 Pathfinders were available in both 2WD and manually engaged 4WD configurations, with base models installed with a 2.4 L four cylinder engine. In certain countries this generation also came with a 2.7 L I4 Diesel Engine known as the TD27 with the option of a turbocharger installed later in November 1988.

In Japan, it was exclusive to Nissan Bluebird Shop locations, where it was called the Nissan Terrano (in Chilean) as a smaller companion to the larger Nissan Safari. While the Pathfinder/Terrano was essentially based on the newly introduced Hardbody truck, the rear five link coil suspension was borrowed from the Safari to enhance its off-road abilities. The two door version shared a design appearance with the second generation Nissan EXA, and was installed with the VG30E Nissan V6, that was shared with the Fairlady ZX.

As the Japanese market Terrano was regarded as a luxury vehicle, with an emphasis on outdoor leisure activities, the Terrano was introduced to Japanese buyers as an off-road, back country Fairlady ZX. To emphasize this marketing approach, the Terrano was available with optional features not normally found on other budget-minded vehicles. Some of the upmarket features offered to Japanese buyers were climate-controlled air conditioning, electrically powered windows, seats, door locks, as well as other optional features. In 1993, Recaro seats were offered to Japanese buyers. Nissan's sports division Autech offered special equipment packages to Japanese buyers as well, introducing the "Wide R3M Urban" and the "AJ Limited". The emphasis on luxury was partly due to a strong economy in Japan, in what is now regarded as the Japanese "bubble economy".

In 1987, the first generation Terrano was entered in the 9th Paris to Dakar rally race, with continued entries in rally races for many years, winning multiple times in its category.

The four-door Pathfinder was first introduced in October 1989 to enhance the Pathfinder's market appeal, but the overall vehicle length and wheelbase were not extended to accommodate the rear doors. At its introduction to North America, 1985 to 1989 Pathfinders came with a two-door body. In early 1990 it became only a four door. Some US 1990 Pathfinders came with the two door body, but they are rare.

When the four door version was introduced, Nissan chose to conceal the door handles as a part of the "C" pillar trim to visually make it appear like a two-door truck with a camper shell, with the conventional door handles on the front doors. This design tradition is still used on all Nissan SUVs currently offered, including the Nissan Armada, Nissan Juke, and the Nissan Xterra. The front doors were slightly shortened to accommodate the rear doors.

From 1985 to 1989 Pathfinders were available with either the Nissan VG30i 3.0 L V6 (143 hp (107 kW), 162 lb·ft (220 N·m) torque), or the Nissan Z24i 2.4 L (106 hp (79 kW)) I4 (the same engine choices as the Nissan Hardbody Truck). In 1990 the V6 received an upgrade from throttle body injection to a multi point fuel injection system. This engine was known as the VG30E, and was rated at 153 hp (114 kW) and 180 lb·ft (244 N·m) torque. Also in 1990, the Z24i was replaced with the KA24E. The first generation continued until 1995.

Second generation R50 series (1995–2005)

The second generation was introduced in late 1995 with more rounded styling. The second generation Pathfinder was completely redesigned from the first generation, switching from body on frame construction to unibody construction. The engine was upgraded to the VG33E, with 168 hp (125 kW) and 196 lb·ft (266 N·m) torque. For the 1999½ model year, the Pathfinder was freshened. In 2000, model year 2001 brought a new 240 hp (179 kW) V6 engine, the VQ35DE. With its facelift, the Pathfinder also grew in size, making way for the compact Xterra.

Diesel engines continued to be used in Japanese and European models.

As of the 2002 model year, the Terrano / Pathfinder was no longer sold in Japan, and was available in North America, Europe and the Middle East. The market position held by the Pathfinder in Japan was replaced by the Nissan Murano in 2002. The Japanese market Terrano and high luxury content Terrano Regulus saw demand drop significantly due to the hard economic times felt in Japan, known as the Lost Decade. Nissan offered a smaller, off-road vehicle to its Japanese customer base who enjoyed the Pathfinder, and introduced the Nissan X-Trail in 2001.

Third generation R51 series (2004–2014)

In August 2003, Nissan unveiled Dunehawk Concept and showcased it at the IAA 2003 in Frankfurt (R51 design patents filed September 8, 2003), previewing the next Pathfinder's design. At the 2004 North American International Auto Show, Nissan unveiled a completely redesigned Pathfinder for the 2005 model year. The new R51 Pathfinder uses the Nissan F-Alpha platform, thus returning to a body on frame construction. It is powered by a 4.0 L V6 engine VQ40DE (266 hp (198 kW), 288 lb·ft (390 N·m)) or a 2.5 L YD25DDTi (126 kW (171 PS; 169 hp), 403 N·m (297 lb·ft)) Turbo Diesel.[5]

In late 2003, a full-size SUV, the Pathfinder Armada, debuted. Although they share a common name, they have little similarity and use different platforms. The "Pathfinder" prefix was dropped for 2005, leaving just the name "Armada".

The Pathfinder is sold as the Terrano in many markets outside of North America. In 2004, when the redesigned Pathfinder was released the Pathfinder name became international as it sold worldwide. These were the first to be sold in the UK.

The 2005 model introduced a third row of seats to the Pathfinder line for the first time.

The 2005-2010 models have been subject to a class action lawsuit because of an issue with cracks in the radiator that allow coolant to leak into the transmission causing permanent damage that requires transmission and radiator replacement. Nissan instituted a graduated extended warranty to cover all expenses up to 8 years or 80,000 miles followed by a $2500 deductible warranty up to 9 years or 90,000 miles and a $3000 deductible warranty up to 10 years and 100,000 miles. Nissan offers a replacement radiator for approximately $670 USD or an approved Value Advantage radiator for approximately $230 USD; labor, coolant fluid, and shop charges will apply.

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Fourth generation R52 series (2012-Present)

A redesigned Pathfinder went on sale in late October 2012 as a 2013 model. Just like the second generation Pathfinder, it once again moved away from a body-on-frame, truck-based SUV and adopted a unibody design. It rides on the same platform as the Infiniti JX, Altima, Maxima, Murano and Quest.

A concept, nearly identical to the eventual production model, was first revealed at the 2012 North American International Auto Show. Retail availability was scheduled for September 2012. The new Pathfinder is only available with a VQ35DE 3.5-Liter V6 engine producing 260 hp (194 kW) and 240 lb-ft (325 Nm) of torque. City, highway and combined average fuel economy numbers are 20 (City), 26 (Highway) and 22 (Combined) mpg for the FWD version and 19 (City), 25 (Highway) and 21 (Combined) mpg for the 4WD version. The Pathfinder is now significantly lighter than the previous generation, with the FWD model weighing 4149 pounds, while the 4WD Pathfinder weighs 4290 pounds.

This generation also abandons the door handles that were placed on the C pillar that were present in the previous three generations. As of 2015 the R52 series is only available in North America, Africa, Australia, South Korea and the Middle East. It has not been scheduled to go on sale in Japan and nor assembled there.
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wangmamahu 发表于 2015-6-28 22:04
关于pf和kluger的争论网上太多了,毕竟这两部车是主要的竞争对手。
不得不承认pf是好车,但是kluger也有很 ...

外观这种事情太过个人化,我和我老婆都一致认为上一代KLUGER很好看,这一代丑得丧心病狂

说到开起来的实际感受,试驾之后,的确是KLUGER更胜一筹。

但在其他方面,车内空间和一些我们认为比较关键的配置上,PF完胜。更重要的是,价格低了超过10%,所以毫不犹豫买了PF。
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临尘居士 发表于 2015-6-28 22:20
现在让我纠结的就是kluger好像没有360度摄像头,也没有全景天窗

对比了PF和KLUGER,才能真实感受到丰田的坑
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评价的不错!

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Kluger真心不容易,前两年论坛里都是Kluger pk CX-9,好不容易消停了,今年开始又PK Pathfinder,基本情况也都一样,每次足迹神车pk,舆论都是倒向Kluger的对手,但对手换来换去,Kluger依旧在PK的第一线

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开拖拉机并不比开车便宜

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CITYLOOK 发表于 2015-6-28 22:04
2.5T
这么大的车小排量+turbo?


2016 all news cx-9 will use turbo 4 cyl engine which will also be use on the top grade new 2016 mazda 3 mps ( a $50k mazda 3 hot hatch)
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jjjjhhhh 发表于 2015-6-29 11:23
Kluger真心不容易,前两年论坛里都是Kluger pk CX-9,好不容易消停了,今年开始又PK Pathfinder,基本情况 ...

Kluger是标杆, 唯一让人不爽的是价格和配置, 大家都希望找个完美的替代者, 这是心理作用.

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略主观啊,路上k明显比ph多很多。 老外也不是傻得,PH什么都好为啥不买
另外说cvt各种好的也是醉了,前段时间出去旅游租过一台5千公里的尼桑cvt新车,那叫一个难开

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最大的问题就是pf太长了这么长的车真不太好停 另外就是2gr虽然没有那么多奖但真心算是不错的 毕竟是凌志主打发动机 vq35用运动车上更好 还有pf外观内饰太美式皮卡风格了接受不了

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Currently, the 2016 Pathfinder is currently only in its testing stage. Therefore consumers can anticipate the vehicle’s release towards the close of 2015 or within the early months of 2016. It is competitively priced while brimming with technology, comfort and upscale styling.

i will wait for the all new mazda cx-9 early next year instead of pf or kl.

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