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qing0319

gzrain 发表于 2014-8-6 12:46
minimum wage for 2014 is $16.87/h,  and 16.37/h for $2013
https://www.fwc.gov.au/awards-and-agree ...

我知道 我打电话的时候fair work有问我要abn查有没有agreement 然后查了没有才advise我是被banking award cover 当然他们是鼓励internal dispute的 我也是这样做的

现在老板说肯定不会给我要求的full amount 因为我手上没有合同和工资单 所以叫我自己想好愿不愿意降低钱然后回去告诉他

那我觉得我已经要求的已经是minimum而且很多钱都没有跟你算了 你还要我降低要求 我就不答应咯

luoluoyehua

道理没错，是该付你最低工资，全部留学生都知道最低工资是16一小时。但大家打工或是第一份工作要经验时都去干了，各取所需。
我上学那会打工每小时10刀，一心一意为了寿司店好，辅助店长提高营业额，想法吸引学生来吃，把店当成自己的店似的，后来涨到12开心的不得了。现在赚的多了，也没想回头去补齐我那1年的最低工资。我感谢那段customer service和admin经验的。
大家在这也不会给你任何实质性意见和解决方法，既然你就是要索赔所有少pay的工资，那就去问laywer ，fair work。比这和大家解释辩论有效的多

qing0319

luoluoyehua 发表于 2014-8-6 21:00
道理没错，是该付你最低工资，全部留学生都知道最低工资是16一小时。但大家打工或是第一份工作要经验时都去 ...

这我明白的 以前8 9 块钱的parttime我也都做过 免费的accounting intern我也做过

但是这分工作的工资 老板在我过了试用期就答应我会给国家要求的工资 现在没有付到 我才回去问他要 并且只是要7个小时一天 不想他觉得我狮子大开口 而是真的按我们双方同意的要而已。。。结果他还是不肯给

七瓦

支持楼主,把该要得钱要回来. 加班的工资也可以要回来,如果有记录的话.

给你的老板发个邮件,要求说了,限时回复, 然后直接fairwork了,没必要和老板纠缠.

不要自己降要求!!! fairwork会和你谈的

七瓦

最早的三个月也能全额要回,试用期也不能低于法律最低工资

7987789

qing0319 发表于 2014-8-6 20:45
我不知道为什么你的回复都充满一种嘲讽的意味

我可以给你看我贷款的lodgement summary是不是有200个case ...

没有丝毫嘲讽的意思，有的多是敬佩和仰慕，

看看你付出的努力和创造的成就，再看看你、受到的待遇，让人感觉非常不公，甚至气愤，

所以，为了你自己，也为了今后更多的人，免遭同样的灾难，有必要把你那个坏老板公开曝光，

身正不怕影子歪，有理走遍天下都不怕，

所以，行动起来吧，不要气馁，不要退缩，坚持到底，就是胜利。。。。。。。

Auslee

gzrain 发表于 2014-8-5 10:28
楼主， 说实在的，move on吧

我觉得你能argue的，就是那8天差价是按照开始的工资还是离开时候的工资，算 ...

把我想说的都说了。华人小老板克扣工资，员工工作超负荷也不是什么新鲜事，但是至少他们给了急需工作经验，一张白纸的中国毕业生一个事业起步的机会。试问所有留学过来的华人移民，哪一位没经历过那曾经的10块一小时？那一段经历又对你之后的人生有多大作用？现在回想起来心里想到更多的怀念那一段艰辛起步的日子，感谢在自己在最无知茫然的时候被寄予宝贵的机会，还是咒骂当年吝啬严厉的老板？试想没有那一段10块一小时，又有多少人能一步到位，带着粉饰华丽的从业经验和丰富的人生阅历找到心仪的工作？
法理上楼主必胜，情理上楼主就没觉得自己内心有一丝愧疚么？华人老板雇华人毕业生本来就是你情我愿的事儿，当时不满意或者协商改善，或者就换工作，秋后算账真是不得不让人从道德层面上要小小议论一下楼主。本来找到新工作了是好事，楼主不往前看，老纠结之前的是非得失，让人觉得楼主是个“睚眦必报”的人。老板自己也愿意补偿一部分，已经表明了他们的态度，楼主这样分毫必争的就有点儿不近人情了。之前给老板又加班又创收，楼主肯定是个好员工。但是在做人处事方面是不是能更加大度宽容，心怀感恩一点呢？

whoisit

Auslee 发表于 2014-8-6 22:45
把我想说的都说了。华人小老板克扣工资，员工工作超负荷也不是什么新鲜事，但是至少他们给了急需工作经验 ...

听说过一些457或者雇主担保英语考不到6分就找老板担保，主动提出工资低点no worries，可以担保就OK。故事的结局是两年的卧薪尝胆PR下来后一纸诉状把老板告到Fair Work.

tryitagain

whoisit 发表于 2014-8-6 23:30
听说过一些457或者雇主担保英语考不到6分就找老板担保，主动提出工资低点no worries，可以担保就OK。故事 ...

便宜没好货。

qing0319

whoisit 发表于 2014-8-6 23:30
听说过一些457或者雇主担保英语考不到6分就找老板担保，主动提出工资低点no worries，可以担保就OK。故事 ...

i have got band 7.5 in ielts right after graduation.

and this case is not about any 457 visa sponsorship agreement.

it is about what i have been promised and what i have actually been paid, which is why i am asking for the difference to be repaid...

qing0319

Auslee 发表于 2014-8-6 22:45
把我想说的都说了。华人小老板克扣工资，员工工作超负荷也不是什么新鲜事，但是至少他们给了急需工作经验 ...

i think you have not read my story properly mate!

first of all, this is not my first job. i have been working on part time basis getting paid at 8 or 9 dollars per hour as well. i knew what you meant by that. that is fine because i have accepted that hourly rate when they gave me the job. not gonna argue for that.

the reason i am disputing this case is because my previous employer has promised me to pay in accordence to law, i was not aware of the law so i just believed they have done so. now i knew the law and required them to fulfill their promise, but they refused to do so, which left me no choice to lodge a complaint. and i am not asking to be repaid for any money during probation period neither because i agreed the daily rate of $100 at that time.

piddock

lz要是真的这么在乎，就找律师问问，反正只是为了争一口气，最终能拿到多少已经不重要了。
人总是要有追求的，如果这个坎不能顺利过去，积压在心里也是个麻烦事。在这里问是问不出什么情况的，一切按照法律来走。
希望lz最后能将处理结果在这里通报一下，让大家都能涨个经验。

qing0319

Auslee 发表于 2014-8-6 22:45
把我想说的都说了。华人小老板克扣工资，员工工作超负荷也不是什么新鲜事，但是至少他们给了急需工作经验 ...

you are right on the experience they have provided to me.

but somehow everyone just focuses on the experience received, rather than the work a employee has performed during the employment

qing0319

piddock 发表于 2014-8-7 16:32
lz要是真的这么在乎，就找律师问问，反正只是为了争一口气，最终能拿到多少已经不重要了。
人总是要有追求 ...

to be honest, its not about the money at all.

its about right or wrong...

thank you for the understanding.

yes moving on is more important, i will advise once i have any update on this issue.

wongbabe

很佩服楼主能大胆地站出来争取属于自己的权益，我跟楼主比起来实在弱爆了

qing0319

wongbabe 发表于 2014-8-7 16:36
很佩服楼主能大胆地站出来争取属于自己的权益，我跟楼主比起来实在弱爆了 ...

what happened to you mate?

oraclezc

支持lz, 找回该有的

红泥小火炉

mark，关注

7987789

qing0319 发表于 2014-8-7 16:31
i think you have not read my story properly mate!

first of all, this is not my first job. i have  ...

楼主的雅思，真过了7.5吗？？？

qing0319

7987789 发表于 2014-8-7 23:03
楼主的雅思，真过了7.5吗？？？

do you need to see result sheet again?

jhsun3

qing0319 发表于 2014-8-4 23:34
我明白 老板赚多少钱当然跟我妹关系

但是如果不是我在帮他 他这一年不会赚这么多 我去之前他才10几万的 ...

你并没有明白自己的话的问题。如果没有你，同样会有另一个人拿同样的工资帮你前老板挣二百万，三百万，完全没有问题。而如果你没有这第一份工，你根本就达不到要求申请移民的资格。说句不厚道的话，你有点过河拆桥。

一个毕业生最大的坎就是刚毕业入门阶段，你比广大的毕业生已经很幸运了。而且以后估计他家再也不会帮其他留学生做这类的帮助了。

USD

去法庭告他呢？只要有证据

kksp

楼主你如果想拿回那些钱就走法律途径该怎么着就怎么着吧

从你的帖子看来，感觉就是你觉得一开始几个月你不是很熟练，所以你觉得老板给你的pay还行，后来你觉得你可以独立工作了，这个pay就是underpay了。但是工资其实没有法律规定一定要随着工作能力的增长而增加，所以你只能从法律方面根据你的工作性质内容去衡量你是否underpay和如果是的话要拿回多少，至于你有多牛逼帮老板赚了多少钱那些跟是否underpay是没多大关系的

qing0319

jhsun3 发表于 2014-8-8 09:45
你并没有明白自己的话的问题。如果没有你，同样会有另一个人拿同样的工资帮你前老板挣二百万，三百万，完 ...

yes i believe there would be someone else who can take over my job duties. but would he or she be willing to accept the wage below nantional standard as well?

from my understanding, my boss hired 4 new girls after my leaving and they were just not capable of the jobs required after being trained for several months, so my boss had to found someone with experience and the wage she has offered is still much higher than what she had offered to me.

basically she was taking advantage of me being a fresh graduate with limited knowledge of my entitlements.

again this job is not a part of business sponsorship, and my boss has paid other employees who were recent graduates and needed experence as well in accordence to the law, which is just unfair.

qing0319

kksp 发表于 2014-8-8 10:02
楼主你如果想拿回那些钱就走法律途径该怎么着就怎么着吧

从你的帖子看来，感觉就是你觉得一开始几个月你不 ...

thank you for the reply.

sorry but i was not trying to take credits and showing off how much money i have made for them. i just thought that could help to show how much work i have done for them by working late on regular basis.

yes i was not good at the first month, so i did not ask to be compensated.

what i have asked is the difference between what they have promised to pay me and what i had actually received.

qing0319

USD 发表于 2014-8-8 09:46
去法庭告他呢？只要有证据

my concern is that her husband is a lawyer.

and from his email to me, he just said a lot untrue statements of facts to make this deal in his favor.

the evidence on my hand is limited as well, as there was no contract or payslip...

jhsun3

qing0319 发表于 2014-8-8 10:26
yes i believe there would be someone else who can take over my job duties. but would he or she be  ...

yes i believe there would be someone else who can take over my job duties. but would he or she be willing to accept the wage below nantional standard as well?

---> Maybe yes, maybe not. As a graduate myself long time ago, I clearly remember that time I eagerly want to get a relevant job, no matter what pay I can get. As I understand that time, first time relevant experience is much important than any money can offer. Frankly, my first full time job, I have to work for a project sometime until 2am during working day. hence, when u ask whether there are people willing to accept below national standard rate, my answer is not everyone willing to accept below standard rate, but certainly there are plenty more, and more intelligent person willing to give a try, for the sake of experiences. Afterall, a loan processor is not a high skill position, probably just abit higher than Data Entry.

from my understanding, my boss hired 4 new girls after my leaving and they were just not capable of the jobs required after being trained for several months, so my boss had to found someone with experience and the wage she has offered is still much higher than what she had offered to me.

---> that is bcos workload has increased by approx. 10 times based on your statement regarding annual commission the company received. When u ask a new inexperienced person to handle 10 times more workload from beginning is different to when u first started to be trained. there is no comparison. Currently their workload has increased significantly that not allow them to hire a single inexperienced person anymore. if you are saying the new person is less capable than when u first started is completely misleading, you are comparing apple with orange.

again this job is not a part of business sponsorship, and my boss has paid other employees who were recent graduates and needed experence as well in accordence to the law, which is just unfair.

---> I know nothing about how does your visa works.. but what u did will certainly alarming more small business owners rather paying standard wages to an experienced person, not to hire any newly graduates.. It certainly is bad for those freshly graduates who eagerly want to get into their relevant area no matter what pay will be.


一些题外话，绝大多数人，包括大多数的经济学家也认同，阻碍澳洲经济发展和大量企业外逃的最根本的一个原因（不是唯一的原因喔）是最低工资实在太高，不利于中小企业培养人才，也不利于没有工作经验的历届毕业生进入相关的行业。这才所以有了Abbot政府关于要freeze最低人工，慢慢把最低人工降到有利于经济的level

qing0319

jhsun3 发表于 2014-8-8 11:37
---> Maybe yes, maybe not. As a graduate myself long time ago, I clearly remember that time I ea ...

yes i would definitely agree with you re some of your opinions.

i understand lots of graduates need experience badly rather than a job. but i had other job offer that time at my accountant office i did internship for, of course the pay was not good for an entry level position. however my previous boss was a legal practioner, and promised me to pay me in accordence to law, so i took the job with them. i also understand there would be some candidates who accept this job without pay or at a lower pay, but thats against the law and not my case.

but i am afraid that your thought on loan processor is not appropriate, a loan processor needs to do much more than simple data entry, which is the reason why it is classified as a level 3 position. yes data entry is a part of loan processing as you need to put all relevant information into the bank system, however, loan processor needs to gather relevant information and conduct the assessment before lodgement and needs to follow up the whole lending process even after the deal settles.

yes but the thing is my boss hired an experienced girl afteralll and offered a wage in accordence to law to her. so obviously they were aware of the law and were just taking advantage of me considering my limited knowledge re workplace law.

not to say providing fake business sponsorship is against immi law, i would not believe my case can have that huge impact on them......

well no politics related to my case. but the current society shows more people are willing to rely on centrelink rather than find a job. if the min wage is lower, pretty sure more people would rather quit and living on goverment pay, which is not good as well. so it is very hard to judge~

7987789

qing0319 发表于 2014-8-8 08:57
do you need to see result sheet again?

作为一个英语初级人士，看到了太多明显的错误,你的英语表述,不太符合规范的英语行文句式，

同样的written English,网友 jhsun3 给你的回帖，水平就完全不一样。（不怕不识货，就怕货比货。）

再说，中国人的中文网站，还是用中文比较好，更方便交流，对不？？？？

KKei

7987789 发表于 2014-8-8 15:47
作为一个英语初级人士，看到了太多明显的错误,你的英语表述,不太符合规范的英语行文句式，

同样的writte ...

我觉得两者水平差的不多.可能我水准比较差.

both of them are understandable actually not bad at all.