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[地区选择] 求助: VIC Point cook 地区如何? [复制链接]

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光脚,PC,围观,火速插入!
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karaoke_oz 发表于 2013-7-17 10:06
光脚,PC,围观,火速插入!

都四页了,
你"插"得太慢了,要快速。。
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看英国老怎么说赞我们PC

Point Cook is getting easier commuting wise, the new train station will make life a lot easier for people to park n ride or just get dropped off. I have even taken one of the new buses (all bit it at 9:20am once the rush hour had died) and it was on time and dropped me right outside Williams Landing train station, it's then approx 45 mins into the CBD on the train. They have also announced that there will be a new intersection for the free way at Syendes Road within 18 months, which should make life a bit easier getting in and out of the place at rush hour.

BUT IMO if you are used to commuting in and out of one of the big UK metro areas it is no different, despite what some of the doom merchants will say on here. I know plenty of people in the office who spend a lot more time than me commuting in and out of the eastern suburbs, but for some reason people in the eastern suburbs are transfixed with how long it takes to commute over the Westgate bridge. Be under no illusions unless you are living within the tram areas, commuting at peak time is the same pain in the back side as any other major city.

Point Cook is bad for broadband at the moment (apparently this is being compounded further by the NBN). Look at Alamanda, Kingsford, Saltwater Coast and some of the Sanctuary Lakes estates as they all have fiber optic to the door. There is not that much difference in rental price compared to the rest of PC apart from paying a bit more to live in Sanctuary Lakes.

The rest of the town is nice as it's basically all new and is expanding and developing, PC has a population of over 35,000 so in UK terms it's a small town with all the good things and bad things associated with a place and population of that size. There are new schools opening (one is a 5 minute walk from my house where my daughter will start next year). I would also say that you defo will need a car if you choose to live in PC but that can be said about a lot of other areas in Australia as everything is spread out more due to it's shear size.

I can't fault living here at the moment, will I stay here forever I don't know but for people with young families I think a place like PC is good place to start.


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Point Cook is 27km from the CBD according to Google maps, and that's from the bottom end of Point Cook furthest away from the free way.

The entire suburb is purely residential (no industry here) and it's all new build housing, nothing existed here really more than 10 - 15 years ago. Everything is new schools, recreation areas etc and the town centre precinct has apparently won awards for its design (if that type of thing floats your boat).

It is cheaper than the eastern suburbs but what's wrong with that? Why pay more money in rent for a smaller house and still live further away from the CBD?

From my time living and working in Melbourne the one thing I have learned so far is anything west of the bay apart from Williamstown is tarred with the 'Western Suburbs' brush irrespective of what they are actually like.

I did a quick check on Google just to clarify distances to the CBD from certain areas on the east side of the bay, just to prove how far there are in the sticks compared to Point Cook

from
ww.pomsinoz.com/forum/victoria/185360-where-live-point-cook-cranbourne.html

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jijii 发表于 2013-7-17 11:02
看英国老怎么说赞我们PC

Point Cook is getting easier commuting wise, the new train station will make ...

老兄你还是别管英国佬怎么说了,还是看看澳洲本地媒体怎么说Point Cook这个Sick suburb的吧。

http://www.theage.com.au/victori ... 20120314-1v3a9.html


Poorly planned new housing estates on Melbourne's fringes are causing an outbreak of anxiety, diabetes and obesity among residents.

ONE wet Saturday morning, Loren Bartley bundled her three young children into their waterproof jackets and packed their towels and bathers into a bag. Despite the torrential rain, they were making a trip on public transport from their home in Point Cook, a growth suburb in Melbourne's outer west, to their nearest indoor public swimming pool.
A member of the Point Cook Residents Association, Bartley wanted to use the expedition to demonstrate to Wyndham Council the need for an aquatic leisure centre in her suburb, which the group says has a dearth of indoor recreation facilities.
Even her low expectations weren't met. The trip to the leisure centre in neighbouring Hoppers Crossing - a 15-minute car drive - took them almost 1½ hours. It included a 40-minute bus ride and a long walk in the rain carrying a grumpy toddler on her hip and shepherding the other children across two major roads.
All-up the bus tickets and pool entry cost $22 and the whole experience left the family so disheartened that Bartley rang her husband for a lift home.
''When we bought [six years ago] we knew there was going to be a pool two blocks from our house, but that got deleted off the plans. Now we still haven't got an active community or leisure facility, somewhere you can go with your family,'' she says.
There is overwhelming evidence that we are planning and building new suburbs in Victoria that are bad for people's health: they make residents more isolated, more harried, increasingly unwell and much, much fatter.
Experts say our state is facing an epidemic in chronic diseases such as diabetes, obesity and heart disease and there is a large and growing body of evidence - both in Australia and internationally - that poor urban design is partly to blame.
In many new estates on Melbourne's fringes there is a paucity of public transport, parks and open space. Schools and services are too far to walk to, large houses have swallowed backyards, commuters sit for long periods in traffic and fast food is often the only offering at the local convenience store.
Less visible, but just as insidious, is the rise of mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety and the higher reporting of family violence in growth areas, which experts say can be exacerbated by financial stress, mortgage stress, isolation and a lack of community infrastructure such as women's health and community centres.
Such is the concern about the legacy of Victoria's population boom that the inaugural task of the state government's environment and planning committee has been to hold an inquiry into the relationship between environmental design and health, with its report expected in June.
''When it comes to urban planning we are building suburbs that in 20 years will be ghettos of ill health,'' says Dr Margaret Beavis, a Melbourne GP who is doing a master's degree in public health and who appeared before the inquiry.
Building car-dependent suburbs in the name of cheap housing is a false economy that will create massive health and economic liabilities, she says.
''They are being built as 'affordable' but not only are they expensive in terms of money, with travel costs and such, but they are expensive in terms of health because people spend so long sitting in their cars.''
FROM the air, Point Cook looks like a half-finished mosaic. Black-tiled roofs sit side by side in neat rows, rimmed by a grey grouting of roads and to the south is a tan expanse of former farmland.
On the ground, the scale of development in this pocket of Wyndham is more tangible: land has been neatly divided into blocks for sale, a real estate billboard promises a quality of life ''more presidential than residential'' and the wind carries the shrill beep of bulldozers.
Wyndham Council, which includes the suburbs of Werribee, Hoppers Crossing, Point Cook and Tarneit, told the parliamentary inquiry that the rate of growth has stretched it to breaking point.
The fastest growing municipality in Australia in percentage terms, each week there are 60 babies born, 120 new requests for a bin service and 100 new building permits issued.
The boom has been fuelled by young families and new migrants drawn to the area by affordable housing on the city's fringes.
Every six weeks the council holds a citizenship ceremony for 250 people, an occasion that other councils might organise every few months, for a dozen people at a time. But many new residents soon find life in Melbourne's growth areas is not what they expected. The council says Wyndham residents are in the midst of an epidemic in obesity and diabetes.
Bill Forrest, the city's funding strategist, says years of poor planning have created a city where a high dependency on cars is creating an ''obesogenic'' community - one that promotes major weight gain rather than reducing it.
According to the council's submission to the inquiry, more than half of Wyndham residents do not eat the recommended amount of fresh fruit and vegetables - similar to the rest of Australia - most places have poor ''walkability'' and there are no, or very poor, public transport links.
Mental health disorders are the largest contributors to disease burden in the area but at times there has been no psychiatrist working in the municipality, says mayor Kim McAliney.
''What outer suburbs fear is that we will see a two-tiered city in terms of opportunities and quality of life,'' McAliney says. ''Our bike lanes are still paint on the roads where cars go past at 80km/h and we wonder why people won't let their kids ride bikes to school.''
Other councils in Melbourne's growth areas report similar problems. Whittlesea council told the inquiry it expected a 90 per cent increase in population in the next 20 years, and Casey reported poor levels of support services and general wellbeing in comparison to the state average.
The chronic diseases of most concern in Victoria are heart disease, diabetes and mental health disorders such as depression and anxiety. But one of the headaches for health advocates has been connecting the dots between planning and good health, which is also influenced by factors such as socio-economic status and education.
''People often ask why the Heart Foundation is interested in planning, but the built environment can enhance your health or detract from it,'' says Kellie-Ann Jolly, the foundation's director of cardiovascular health.
Some of the evidence is clear cut: the VicHealth submission to the inquiry showed that children and older people living in the state's growth areas were admitted to hospital more often for respiratory problems. This is likely to be related to air pollution from cars and VicHealth has called on the government to plant more trees in new developments to capture pollutants and shade buildings.
As well as concerns about pollution and contamination on former industrial sites, experts say Melbourne has pockets of ''food deserts'', where healthy, affordable food is difficult to buy and the only options are calorie-laden, nutrient-poor junk food from takeaway shops or service stations.
Kim McAliney has noticed a mushrooming of fast-food outlets in her ward: ''I'll drive along and there will be another one; they're coming up a lot closer to schools and they're everywhere.''
In response, some councils are promoting a move towards providing locally grown food through farmers' markets and community gardens.
At the Meridian estate in Dandenong, government developer Places Victoria says it will create an ''urban orchard'' by planting fruit trees on nature strips and in front gardens, but this is the exception, rather than the rule.
The slow outward creep of Melbourne's urban growth boundary means that prime agricultural land - from the asparagus growers in Kooweerup to the market gardens at Werribee South - is slowly being rezoned and developed.
''Victoria is known as the food bowl but the decision to sprawl in low-density areas means we're getting more and more developers building the new crop - housing,'' Jolly says.
And it's not just about what you eat. VicHealth wants planning regulations to take account of the risks associated with bottle shops, which are concentrated in poorer communities.
Their research shows that for every 10,000 litres of pure alcohol sold by a liquor shop, the risk of violence in nearby residential properties increases by 26 per cent.
Melbourne University planning expert Dr Carolyn Whitzman says rich countries such as Australia face a new public health conundrum when it comes to urban planning. There has been a shift away from the role of an activist government and an emphasis on two main types of development: sprawl in outer-suburban growth areas and intensive high-rise in the CBD.
NEITHER works, she says: the key is medium-density buildings constrained by a strict urban growth boundary like those in Vancouver or Copenhagen.
''It's like we're in collective denial about what makes a liveable city - we live in one of the most urbanised places on earth, but we still have this notion that we live in rural areas or suburbs.''
But in some places this message might be getting through. The backers of Selandra Rise, a new estate in the south-eastern suburb of Clyde North, say resident health and wellbeing have been a priority from the start. All of the 1180 homes - priced from about $310,000 - will be within easy walking distance to schools, shops and services, a community centre, retirement village, as well as a large park, walking tracks and an outdoor fitness area.
A partnership between the Planning Institute, Casey Council, developer Stockland and the government's Growth Areas Authority, Selandra Rise will be the subject of a five-year longitudinal study by VicHealth to assess its impact on residents.
Karina Carrel, her husband and their young family will move to Selandra Rise next month, choosing to live there because they could afford a larger home and liked the plans for parks and open space.
Carrel, who is a Zumba instructor and recently recovered from Hodgkin's lymphoma, also wants to run a cancer support program from the estate's new community centre.
''As a working mother, I wanted a facility nearby where I could run my business but still be available for the kids,'' she says.
Stuart Worn, the head of the Planning Institute Victoria, says health should be the first consideration in new housing developments.
''We're using market forces to make change [at Selandra Rise], and then it will become easier for government to do the same.''
Some, like Carolyn Whitzman, offer more qualified support to the idea, saying the health focus inside the estate is laudable but city workers still face a long commute.
In 2010 the Brumby government extended Melbourne's urban growth boundary by another 43,600 hectares, despite the city having one of the world's largest geographic footprints, stretching 100 kilometres from east to west.
In Victoria the shape of our cities and towns is governed by the planning act - which makes no direct reference to health - and a mass of guidelines, provisions and schemes that local councils often develop and police themselves.
The parliamentary inquiry was repeatedly told that health should be included as one of the legislation's key objectives and made a fundamental part of other strategies, including the new Metropolitan plan currently being developed by Planning Minister Matthew Guy, which replaces Labor's Melbourne 2030.
The Age tried to contact the minister for comment, but received no response before deadline.
But opposition planning spokesman Brian Tee says placing health at the centre of planning legislation is ''common sense''.
''Everyone from councils through to the health department were saying the current system is broken and we just don't pick up the connection between our suburbs and our health,'' says Tee, who is a member of the parliamentary committee conducting the inquiry.
''This should be beyond politics; it's not like the evidence is being brought by people carrying a political axe. We are designing communities that are making people sick and politicians have to listen to that.''


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买pc房子鸭梨好大。还好我没买

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jack064 发表于 2013-7-17 10:10
都四页了,
你"插"得太慢了,要快速。。


我来添砖加瓦, 争取早日盖到100楼。 成为7月PC贴最高层
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住在PC的人真心的说一句: 这里不好,都别来,我乐得自己享受这里的环境和房子

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我也来加一层。。。住惯东南区的我是没可能去那儿的了。
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Insider 发表于 2013-7-17 11:40
老兄你还是别管英国佬怎么说了,还是看看澳洲本地媒体怎么说Point Cook这个Sick suburb的吧。

http://ww ...

英国老说的是住在PC的感受。 而喜欢相信媒体就相信好了

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jijii 发表于 2013-7-17 12:57
英国老说的是住在PC的感受。 而喜欢相信媒体就相信好了

老兄,你到底仔细看了我贴的文章没有?里面写的都是Point Cook居民的感受

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Amy_XY 发表于 2013-7-17 12:39
住在PC的人真心的说一句: 这里不好,都别来,我乐得自己享受这里的环境和房子 ...

放心吧,没人和你抢
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话说PC的房价真不便宜阿,说明还是有市场

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sujiea 发表于 2013-7-16 19:09
我最近在看悉尼的房子,point cook就相当hurstville,都是华人区都靠海,墨尔本东南华人区就相当悉尼的上北 ...

point cook就相当hurstville

好事为五年前的汉化程度,现在墨尔本也就box hill勉强一拼吧

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Amy_XY 发表于 2013-7-17 12:39
住在PC的人真心的说一句: 这里不好,都别来,我乐得自己享受这里的环境和房子 ...

享受Point Cook的环境? 您真逗,太逗了
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顶起,好久没见PC贴了,这次盖楼速度明显慢。。。。光脚同学加油。

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hurstville路过,  同时表示会严密监视本楼的施工质量

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hurstville路过,  同时表示会严密监视本楼的施工质量

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帅虎 发表于 2013-7-17 05:53
pc自住就不说了,也说不清楚。不过要是作为投资项目,你可以十几年以后再投,因为价格不会差太远。
有见过p ...

听说过这个典故。。据说30年前hopper crossing和东边Malvern价格是一样的,现在。。。
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根据我的经验, 此PC贴处在预热阶段, 大家还都比较含蓄。
come on~~~

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本人在刚来这个论坛的时候发了一贴sanctuary lakes怎样,结果被LS的 一些熟人各种嘲笑。后来还是在sanctuary lakes安家了 。有交通工具的话,个人觉得PC整个小区的环境不错,而且建设也越来越好,人气也在逐步增加。看LZ自己选择了,最好的办法就是可以先不买,租一段时间感受一下。目前为止我很享受在sanctuary lakes的生活。很安静,也挺方便,因为我本身的工作的地点在机场附近,所以上班之类都挺好的,不算特别堵。

买房子是自己的事情,喜欢哪里,觉得哪里不错。买了就享受就是,不要管别人的看法。我本人偏向于新房子,大的花园。公共交通对我来说无所谓,因为都是自己开车。

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kitink 发表于 2013-7-17 15:10
本人在刚来这个论坛的时候发了一贴sanctuary lakes怎样,结果被LS的 一些熟人各种嘲笑。后来还是在sanctuar ...

谢谢, 还在纠结中...

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vivienne_100 发表于 2013-7-17 15:17
谢谢, 还在纠结中...

学校方面没法帮你,因为我目前也没小孩,小舅子过来读高中,直接就送westbourne grammar school.排名还不错,学费相对还低一些。

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vivienne_100 发表于 2013-7-17 15:17
谢谢, 还在纠结中...

LZ现在住在悉尼哪里? 其实PC的房价已经不便宜了, 干嘛不花同样的价格在悉尼住小一点远一些的区呢?
88足迹, 一个无聊多于乐趣的地方。
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lsm.cathy 发表于 2013-7-17 09:34
我觉得西区进城确实受制于大桥,东西LINK要收费,目测10年内能修好,西区早上进城比东南区东区进城恼火多了 ...


我觉得point cook进city比东区和东南区都好些,无论是peak hour or off peak,根本没有东南区或者东区那么堵

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租房住在这个区应该比较划算,看看网上这个区数十页的租房信息,租客可以在原周租金基础上再砍上几十刀。

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hhyhome 发表于 2013-7-17 15:47
我觉得point cook进city比东区和东南区都好些,无论是peak hour or off peak,根本没有东南区或者东区那 ...


我每天穿过MONASH到西区上班的说下吧,早上7点半的MONASH从WARRIGAL RD开始一点都不堵,8点少许堵,进入CITYLINK根本不堵,
然后开到桥上看着西区进城跟蜗牛一般,时速顶多40。一直延伸到RING ROAD,这个地方堵的更厉害,这个交汇处是个死穴。

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lsm.cathy 发表于 2013-7-17 15:52
我每天穿过MONASH到西区上班的说下吧,早上7点半的MONASH一点都不堵,8点少许堵,进入CITYLINK更本不堵, ...



我晚上6点多从city回point cook,走west gate,经过king street,看到回东南的kings way 的车龙一直延伸到city里,但west gate 基本都不堵,20多分钟内都到家了,一条freeway基本都是时速80公里到100公里的路,还是免费的,哪个更合算呢?

point cook离CBD的距离估计相当于clayton差不多了,无论什么时间,CBD回clayton,半小时能到吗?如果能的话,估计要超速加要花每次几块钱走citylink

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