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[人生百味] 一年半前,信心满满怀抱新生活;而今,家破人散。。 [复制链接]

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兄弟,干粗活和粗犷没关系。
你必须要具备在任何条件下都可以令自己的女人和孩子幸福快乐的能力。
这个是一个基本要求。

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祝福LZ!

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感情对抗现实,没有真正赢家,move on 吧

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感情对抗现实,没有真正赢家,move on 吧

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她对你只有索取, 也没有什么可以留恋的。
move on 是正道。

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原帖由 sunnykelly 于 2011-6-18 15:07 发表
生了孩子还有跑的?



讲个故事:

一个男的,北京人,找了个老婆,在谈恋爱的时候告诉过女的要来澳洲,可能是这个促成了这段婚姻也说不定,然后一家三口跑到澳洲,刚来两月,女的带着孩子跑路,找了个鬼姥(可能),反正是不让这个男的知道在哪里,一星期把孩子带着见一次面。

如果这女人为了澳洲舍这么大本,真不知道让人说什么好。
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围观!楼上说的似乎有道理!!
要么找好下家离开你,对方不愁钱!要么无论如何都要离开你,还要抚养你的女儿,是不是也不在乎钱了!你给或不给,她也都会养活她们自己的!
如果是个不好的妻子离了婚,你不是中了人生三大幸事之一!!也不要太难过的!!
安慰一下!!

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想开点吧,明天会更好的。

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原帖由 manvslife 于 2011-6-18 15:33 发表


嗯,我在想有多早。。。我几年前过生日的时候买过一双袜子给我。生了孩子后就没有了。她说做做饭帮忙带孩子就是她的义务。

我在重新翻阅爱情这本书。发现赫然有三个定义: intimacy, passion, and commitment, 亲近,迷恋和承诺。
我们婚姻最后残留的时间里,估计就只有最后一个还保留,现在什么也没有了。


又看了下lz的帖子,就是觉得lz觉得生了孩子后日子寡淡无味,老婆就像保姆,没有爱情了,想离婚。老婆察觉了,害怕人财两空,自己又要养女儿,于是抢先提起诉讼,冻结共同财产。lz怒了,于是辞职无收入,绝对不让老婆多拿一个子儿。。。

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了解

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愿意领孩子的单亲妈妈我认为不算太出格.在婚姻中她已经带孩子烧饭了,已经向家庭作出了最基本的commitment. 如果婚姻走不下去,就和和睦睦的分手。毕竟在以后的几十年中,孩子的爸妈永远是你和她。如果为了不付抚养费而辞工会是两败俱伤的做法。两瓶酒,和父母叙旧,会让你掉入不可逆转的怪圈里难以自拔。你的父母会指责她,你越发会觉得委屈。正确的做法是,照常上下班,做饭,购物,交友。。。 我处在离婚中,时常不能自给的想要掉泪,但是we have to move on.不要把自己的责任增加的年迈的父母身上。更不要为了报复自己的前配偶而牺牲孩子的利益。当然,要做到这些很难,但是要努力做到。 

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原帖由 eagleowl 于 2011-6-18 15:07 发表
男人就是这样练成的.   等你练成了大把女人追着你,  因为女人宁愿做小三也要找个是男的人!


真的啊?赶紧练!

发表于 2011-6-19 00:57 |显示全部楼层

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說得對,現在的女孩越來越不會珍惜身邊的男生,發覺無論一個男人為對方付出多少,對她多好,努力為更好的生活而奮鬥,最後也不一定會有一個好的結果,只能說,愛對一個人很重要,千萬不要愛錯人···

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原帖由 Calvin_Mai 于 2011-6-18 23:57 发表
說得對,現在的女孩越來越不會珍惜身邊的男生,發覺無論一個男人為對方付出多少,對她多好,努力為更好的生活而奮鬥,最後也不一定會有一個好的結果,只能說,愛對一個人很重要,千萬不要愛錯人···


不要拿付出多少来吓唬人,生活不是只挣钱,整天一个苦瓜脸,还觉得自己是个负责任的男人,不会有太好的结果。

薛乃印也觉得自己付出很多,有多大用?

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原帖由 garysmith 于 2011-6-18 22:30 发表
soul mate 这是我在欧洲的一位女同事告诉我的,我觉得挺有道理。没有这些,早晚分手,尤其是受过高等教育的人。这个和物质不物质倒不一定有关系,不过华人可能比较看中这个,说不清。

还有,华人男的比较木呐一些,有些女的在碰到浪漫一点的男的,或许就跑了。所以,先检讨自己。

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男人以为养家就行了,给你钱了呀。

其实很多女性更看重精神。soul mate, soul mate 。澳洲饿不死人,钱哪里有那么重要。
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原帖由 忆旧游 于 2011-6-18 23:30 发表
愿意领孩子的单亲妈妈我认为不算太出格.在婚姻中她已经带孩子烧饭了,已经向家庭作出了最基本的commitment. 如果婚姻走不下去,就和和睦睦的分手。毕竟在以后的几十年中,孩子的爸妈永远是你和她。如果为了不付抚养费而辞工会是两败俱 ...



我只是说叙叙旧,这里的事我不会提的。我想让他们在老家日子过得安心。谢谢你的关心。父母他们不会来澳洲。等来了澳洲也至少等到我收拾好了一切再说。孩子暂时由妈妈带,但以后应该是share custody.

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原帖由 garysmith 于 2011-6-18 22:49 发表



讲个故事:

一个男的,北京人,找了个老婆,在谈恋爱的时候告诉过女的要来澳洲,可能是这个促成了这段婚姻也说不定,然后一家三口跑到澳洲,刚来两月,女的带着孩子跑路,找了个鬼姥(可能),反正是不让这个男的知道在哪里,一星期把孩子带着见一次面。

如果这女人为了澳洲舍这么大本,真不知道让人说什么好。

听说过很多,但是没见到过。

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原帖由 芒果2011 于 2011-6-18 23:04 发表


又看了下lz的帖子,就是觉得lz觉得生了孩子后日子寡淡无味,老婆就像保姆,没有爱情了,想离婚。老婆察觉了,害怕人财两空,自己又要养女儿,于是抢先提起诉讼,冻结共同财产。lz怒了,于是辞职无收入,绝对不让老婆多拿一个子儿。。。


不工作是因为我突然失去了动力。我的各个零部件还能工作,但是CPU需要大修。至少需要调整。
我写这个帖子也是为了舒缓一下内心的郁闷与无奈,你分析了很多,而且有些地方惊人的正确,所以我很佩服你。
我现在不想细说这些。我在总结贴里会写的。
她采取这种比较激烈的方式也是出乎我意料的,澳洲法律的确很好,一个律师可以帮她搞定一切。

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原帖由 garysmith 于 2011-6-19 00:02 发表


不要拿付出多少来吓唬人,生活不是只挣钱,整天一个苦瓜脸,还觉得自己是个负责任的男人,不会有太好的结果。

薛乃印也觉得自己付出很多,有多大用?


涛哥不也整天一个苦瓜脸,他责任多大啊。
不过男人是要懂得些幽默才行。

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原帖由 培培 于 2011-6-18 17:53 发表
她是女人又有孩子,不论什么原因离开,别计较钱,总不能亏着那娘俩


我在想,她happy, 孩子就happy, 那我也就happy。所以,不会的。
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原帖由 靠谱的不多 于 2011-6-18 22:43 发表
兄弟,干粗活和粗犷没关系。
你必须要具备在任何条件下都可以令自己的女人和孩子幸福快乐的能力。
这个是一个基本要求。


你很靠谱!

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原帖由 靠谱的不多 于 2011-6-18 22:43 发表
兄弟,干粗活和粗犷没关系。
你必须要具备在任何条件下都可以令自己的女人和孩子幸福快乐的能力。
这个是一个基本要求。


当然有关系。无论从达尔文的进化论或者基因遗传的规律,都可以得出这个结论。
中国北方男人粗旷,是因为很早以前他们大部分是游牧民族,逐草而居,善骑射,能饮酒。少儒家礼节,因此大部分豪爽,性情直率。
南方男人则好风月,善技艺,会经营。心思慎密,但也比较拘束。
澳洲男人有没有地域之分,就不晓得了。
干粗活至少是接近粗放的一个最直接途径,但要达到基因上的改变,可能得几代干下去才行。
快乐是令婚姻持续长久的源泉,但制造快乐的根源只有一条,就是爱情。不是任何条件下都能制造快乐的。

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原帖由 小熊猫 于 2011-6-18 22:28 发表
楼主有没有后悔应该早离婚,在你们最开始不愉快的时候就应该离婚的。


当你感觉无法忍受一点小事了,当你们变得沉默无话可说了,当你觉得快乐越来越难了。。。
估计这就是你该考虑是否要离婚的时候了。是的,应该宜早,因为你们无法改变了。

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完整的爱情是什么?

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下面是一段Yale大学心理学教授的关于爱的课程, very interesting.
Okay. So let's get started. And to start things off I think what we need to do is consider a definition. I'm going to define what love is but then most of the experiments I'm going to talk about are really focused more on attraction than love--who finds each other of romantic interest that might then develop into a love relationship. But let's start with a definition of love. And I'm going to pick a definition from a former colleague, Robert Sternberg, who is now the dean at Tufts University but was here on our faculty at Yale for nearly thirty years or so. And he has a theory of love that argues that it's made up of three components: intimacy, passion, and commitment, or what is sometimes called decision commitment. And these are relatively straightforward. He argued that you don't have love if you don't have all three of these elements.
Intimacy is the feeling of closeness, of connectedness with someone, of bonding. Operationally, you could think of intimacy as you share secrets, you share information with this person that you don't share with anybody else. Okay. That's really what intimacy is, the bond that comes from sharing information that isn't shared with other--with many other people. Second element is passion. Passion is what you think it is. Passion is the--we would say the drive that leads to romance. You can think of it as physical attraction or sex. And Sternberg argues that this is a required component of a love relationship. It is not, however, a required component of taking a shower in Calhoun College. [a Yale dormitory] [laughter]
The third element of love in Sternberg's theory is what he calls decision or commitment, the decision that one is in a love relationship, the willingness to label it as such, and a commitment to maintain that relationship at least for some period of time. Sternberg would argue it's not love if you don't call it love and if you don't have some desire to maintain the relationship. So if you have all three of these, intimacy, passion and commitment, in Sternberg's theory you have love. Now what's interesting about the theory is what do you have if you only have one out of three or two out of three? What do you have and how is it different if you have a different two out of three? These are--What's interesting about this kind of theorizing is it give--it gives rise to many different permutations that when you break them down and start to look at them carefully can be quite interesting. So what I've done is I've taken Sternberg's three elements of love, intimacy, passion and commitment, and I've listed out the different kinds of relationships one would have if you had zero, one, two or three out of the three elements.
And I'm using names or types that Sternberg uses in his theory. These are really from him. Some of these are pretty obvious. If you don't have intimacy, if you don't have passion, if you don't have commitment, you don't have love. Sternberg calls this non-love. That's the technical term. And [laughs] essentially what he's saying is the relationship you now have to the person sitting next to you, presuming that you're sitting next to a random person that you didn't know from your college, is probably non-love. If it's something else, we could talk about it at the end of the lecture or perhaps when I get to it in a moment.
Now let's start to add elements. Let's add intimacy. This is sharing secrets, a feeling of closeness, connectedness, bonding. Let's say we have that with someone but we don't have passion, that is, no sexual arousal, and no commitment to maintain the relationship. This is liking. Sternberg calls it liking. And liking is really what is happening in most typical friendships, not your closest friendship but friendships of a casual kind. You feel close, you share certain information with that person that you don't share with other--many other people, but you're not physically attracted and there's no particular commitment to maintaining this for a long period of time.
Now, what if you're not intimate, you're not committed, but you're passionate; you feel that sexual arousal. This is what Sternberg would call infatuation. And that term probably works for you too, infatuated love, and this is love at first sight. "I don't know you, we've never shared any secrets because I don't know you, I'm not committed to defining this as anything, I'm not committed to the future. In fact, I'm not thinking about the future. I'm thinking about right now but boy, am I attracted." Right. That's infatuation and that's what Sternberg means by infatuated love.
The third kind of one-element relationship is there's no intimacy, right, no bonding, no closeness, no secrets, no physical attraction, no sexual arousal, but by gosh, we are going to maintain this relationship, we are committed to it for all time. Sternberg calls that "empty love." Empty love is kind of interesting. It's often the final stage of long-term relationships that have gone bad. "We don't share information with each other anymore so there's no intimacy. We don't feel physically attracted to each other anymore, there's no passion, but we'd better stay together for the kids, right? Or we've got to stay together for appearance's sake or we'd better stay together because financially it would be a disaster if we don't多少人这样的?" or all of the reasons other than intimacy and passion that people might commit to each other. That's what Sternberg calls empty love.
Now what's interesting is in societies where marriages are arranged this is often the first stage of a love relationship. These two people who have maybe never seen each other before, who have never shared secrets so there's no intimacy, who have never--don't know if they're physically attracted to each other or on their wedding day revealed to each other and committed legally and sometimes religiously to each other. Right? The commitment is there but at that moment nothing else might be there. What's interesting of course is that such relationships don't seem to have any greater chance of ending in divorce than people who marry for love. But there's a big confound, there's a big problem in studies of those kind of relationships. What might it be? Anybody. What might be the problem in the statement I just made that these kind of relationships are just as likely to survive as people who marry for love? Yes.

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Yeah. So they may occur; they're more likely to occur in societies that frown on divorce. They make it very costly, socially costly, to divorce, so then they stay together for all kinds of reasons, not always such good ones.
All right. Now who was it who sang the song "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad"? Was that Meat Loaf? Who was it? It was Meat Loaf. All right. Professor Bloom says it was Meat Loaf. It was Meat Loaf. You're all saying, "there was a singer called Meat Loaf?" Meat Loaf sang the song "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad." Let's see if two out of three ain't bad. What if you have intimacy, "we share secrets, passion, we feel physically attracted to each other but we're not making any commitments here." Sternberg calls that "romantic love." This is physical attraction with close bonding but no commitment, Romeo and Juliet when they first met. This is often the way relationships start: "We like each other, I'm physically attracted to each other, I--to you, I enjoy spending time with you but I'm not making any long-term commitments. So I'm not even willing to use the ‘L' word in describing what it is we have." Right? Many of you might have been in relationships of this sort. That's romance. That's romantic love.
Now, what if you have intimacy, "we share secrets with each other, but there's no particular physical attraction but we are really committed to this relationship." This is what Sternberg calls "companionate love." This is your best friend. "We are committed to sharing intimacy, to being friends forever," but physical attraction is not part of the equation here. This is sort of the--maybe the Greek ideal in relationships of some kind.
All right. What if we have passion, "I'm sexually attracted to you," but no intimacy. "I don't want to really know that much about you, I don't want to really share anything of me with you, but I am committed to maintaining this physical attraction to you" [laughter] Well, that's what Sternberg calls "fatuous love." It's a whirlwind courtship. It's a Hollywood romance. It might lead to a shotgun wedding. Maybe you find yourself in Las Vegas and you get married for a day and a half and then realize that this wasn't such a good idea. And maybe your name is Britney and you're a singer. [laughter]
Well, anyway, you've got the idea. That's fatuous love. "We are basically committed to each other for sex" but it's very hard to make those relationships last a long time because we might not have anything in common, we might not share anything with each other, we might not trust each other, we are not particularly bonded to each other. On the other hand, if you have all three, intimacy, passion, commitment, this is "consummate love" according to Sternberg – complete love. This is how he defines love.
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楼主

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赶紧辞旧迎新吧.

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MOVE ON

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楼主,我只是从你的回复中得出的一些判断,不对之处见谅。

我觉的在生活中你是一个很较真的人,我所说的细腻是指在很多感受方面不要太扩大对自己心情的影响。原来你觉的很过分的事情,随着生活阅历的增加,你可能就会理解了那件事情的合理性。你离婚了,是很不幸,但是如果你在新足迹呆的时间长了,其实只能说你不是那么幸运,因为比你不幸的人还有很多。所以,我才在原来的帖子里说,只要身体健康,一切都可以重来。

再有,性格是否细腻敏感和是不是干粗活没有必然的联系。可能概率会有不同。但是很多蓝领也很温柔细腻在感情方面,细腻是一种性格和体力无关,南方的男人不是都细腻,北方的男人也不是都粗旷。

刚来澳洲的时候,我也向你一样,觉的煎熬,自己在国内那么多年的驾照了,竟然第一次连驾照都考不过,但是后来越来越明白,来到一个新的地方,是会遇到很多考验,无论是对你的家庭,还是事业,很多人都经历了这些,有些挺过去了,有些没有,有些人会说出来所以你知道,有些人不会说。我不知道你看没有看过阿丝的“我在澳洲摔的那一跤”,连阿丝那么优秀的人,都经历了那么多,何况大多数的凡人呢?

大家给你回帖,花时间写帖子给你,我相信大部分的人都是善意的,或者是过来人。不是想和你争论的。当然无论最初的意图是什么,毕竟只是看的帖子做出的判段。

给自己一些时间整理一下心情,婚姻出了问题,两个人都有责任,或者一开始就不那么合适,没有什么大不了的。Move On吧。

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