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找到一个ABC的访谈“The Gillard Diaries”,很有意思。
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2006/s1586140.htm
The Gillard Diaries - Transcript
PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT: Monday, 6 March , 2006
CAROLINE JONES: Hello, I'm Caroline Jones. Well, you don't have to be a devotee of politics to have an opinion about Julia Gillard. It seems everyone does. Even if it's just about her hair, her kitchen, or her views on having children. As Shadow Minister for Health, she's the latest woman to be eyed off as future prime ministerial material. We joined Julia Gillard at home and at work in the lead-up to a factional bloodbath that's put her out front and placed Kim Beazley under new pressure. Tonight, a sneak preview of the top secret 'Gillard Diaries'.
JULIA GILLARD (OUTSIDE PARLIAMENT): Hello. Abbott's out there for a doorstop where he'll be complaining that everybody's being mean to him because he's a Catholic. It's just nonsense. So, I'm going to walk out and just say, "Tony, this isn't about you." Try and get him off talking about himself. Oh, come on, mate. We'll be lucky to make question time at this rate.
TONY ABBOTT (OUTSIDE PARLIAMENT): Sorry to hold you up, Julia.
JULIA GILLARD TO ABBOTT (OUTSIDE PARLIAMENT): How long does it take? How long does it take?
JULIA GILLARD (OUTSIDE PARLIAMENT): I suppose he's been out here telling you how it's all about him, and all about how people are being nasty to him. And all about how people are talking about whether he's a Catholic or not.
JULIA GILLARD: It is a gypsy lifestyle. Outside the Canberra time, my time is divided between being on the road pursuing the Shadow Health Minister job, and being in my local electorate doing all the stuff I do as the Member for Lalor. I think people are over really highly managed, suited you know, white-bread style politicians. I think people are looking for more than that, and different to that. And, you know, I think I am different to that.
ROBYN MCLEOD, FRIEND: What you see with Julia is what you get. A very open, honest woman who is not hiding anything. Who is very comfortable in herself. People are waiting to see if Julia is going to succeed or not. Not just because she's a politician, but because she's a woman. And that's still a pretty unusual beast in our country. Julia is an extraordinarily loyal person. And even if it puts herself at some risk, she will stand by her friends.
ALISON GILLARD, SISTER: It's always, sort of, slightly surreal still when you see your sister talking on the television, it's still exciting. And I still get a real buzz out of it. She comes across as being very feisty, pretty sharp and kind of nasty sometimes. She's not like that in her day-to-day life. So, obviously it's all part of the um, the show that they put on. It's all part of the game.
ALISON GILLARD, SISTER TO JULIA GILLARD: I've heard you've been voted the...is it Australia's sexiest female politician, or something? On that website?
JULIA GILLARD: Yeah. On Crikey. Kimberley from my office rings up, 'cause they told her under embargo, so she rings me up and says, "Oh you know, I don't think you're going to be very happy "because it's not your kind of thing," and all the rest of it. So she tells me about it and then she says, "But, anyway, I don't think it's that sexist because they obviously weren't judging on looks."
ALISON GILLARD, SISTER: That's nasty.
JULIA GILLARD: Who else was high on the list?
ALISON GILLARD, SISTER: Who is your competition, Julia?
JULIA GILLARD: I'm actually not sure. I know Amanda Vanstone got some votes in the sexiest female politician. It's politics, so it's, you know, concessional, like, not normal-looking people. Latham always used to wander around saying "Politics is Hollywood for ugly people." I think that's right.
JULIA GILLARD: Somewhat ironically for someone who's ended up in the position I am now, I am a shy person. I was a shy child. And I'm more shy in social circumstances than I am in the work that I do. I am, perhaps, more conservative than the public image would lead people to believe. I think it probably does take a bit of time to open up to people. Maybe politics puts an extra, layer of, you know, kind of armour on the outside because you know what it can be like.
JULIA GILLARD (AT OFFICE): Sean Parnell is writing a story on health reform? Oh, God, they're desperate for Christmas yarns, aren't they? We've been trying all year, trying to get 'The Australian' to write stories about health reform and then now, you know, bloody Christmas... He's decided he's writing a story on health reform. But he's got a leak that Abbott's commissioned some external modelling and research. But Abbott spent all year saying we don't need health reform, so, that's a significant shift. So, I'll just give him a ring back. Just, you wouldn't be able to get them to do that midyear, would you? No.
JULIA GILLARD: Personally what I think about Tony Abbott, in private, we've never had a cross word. At one level, I think he's a, you know, a sort of likeable knockabout Australian character. But he's a deeply eccentric human being.
REPORTERTO TONY ABBOTT: Do you like each other, do you think?
JULIA GILLARD: I think I'm a much more normal person than Tony Abbott.
TONY ABBOTT: On those rare occasions when she lets her hair down she can be a charming companion. And I've certainly enjoyed her company a couple of times in a social context, and I think it would be good to see more of that side of Julia.
MICHAEL O'CONNOR, TIMBER WORKERS' UNION: Like all frontbenchers, I think Julia lives a lot out of a suitcase. I think it puts a strain on their personal lives. It must be very difficult, I think. Julia lives on her own. Single, she doesn't have kids. I think it would be really hard to, you know, like have a family and spend six months in Canberra. I've seen a lot of males who haven't juggled it very well.
JULIA GILLARD: One of my first big relationships was with Michael O'Connor. Talking about relationships is always difficult, I guess. You know, you always feel like you're intruding on the privacy of others when you're in public life.
MICHAEL O'CONNOR, TIMBER WORKERS' UNION: I'm honestly not very comfortable talking about this, to be honest with you.
JULIA GILLARD: Michael and I were young, we were involved in student politics. You know, university, all of that sort of stuff, so I suspect as much as anything else it wasn't the right stage of life.
MICHAEL O'CONNOR, TIMBER WORKERS' UNION: Probably the first time I met Julia was in the early '80s when hundreds of students would come from around the country. She was representing Adelaide University Student Union. There's no doubt she was really articulate and had a very strong intellect about her, in arguing a case.
JULIA GILLARD – MAIDEN SPEECH IN PARLIAMENT – NOV. 1998: Those friends from university have remained my comrades since the early 1980s.
MICHAEL O'CONNOR, TIMBER WORKERS' UNION: You didn't really want to be arguing a point of view against her if you could avoid an argument with her. She was very serious about winning it.
JULIA GILLARD – MAIDEN SPEECH IN PARLIAMENT – NOV. 1998: Today I pay tribute to them and especially to the most committed of them all, Michael O'Connor, who has been my closest confidante since those heady days.
JULIA GILLARD: My relationship with Craig Emerson was a very important one to me. Being involved with a colleague has got its down side in the sense that drawing the line between what's work and what's not work becomes increasingly blurred. Craig and I were staying together at a hotel and I'd managed to forget to pack my contact lens holder. So I was just storing the contact lenses at the bottom of a glass, which wasn't exactly the smartest thing in the world to do. Er, so...in the bathroom, this glass with the contact lenses and a bit of solution in them. So, you know, during the course of the night, Craig gets up and thinking it's water, grabs the glass and drinks it. So I was wandering around National Conference blind for the next morning. I did have to give the Health Policy Report at the podium not basically able to see my notes or see the audience. Craig and I lived in different states in very demanding positions. And in the hurly-burly of the Labor world, ultimately it was just too difficult. I'm not involved in a relationship now, and you know, your, sort of, your life history rolls on.
MICHAEL O'CONNOR, TIMBER WORKERS' UNION: Julia's always been close to her family. Her father and mother are working class people. They are really a unique family. I think they're probably the one huge influence on Julia and very decent people. The values that Julia has about working people has, no doubt in my mind, come from both her mum and dad.
JOHN GILLARD, FATHER: We've very proud parents. When I'm with Julia, I walk six inches taller. I love Alison, of course, I love her. Alison's a loving, nurturing mother. Julia wants to change the world.
JULIA GILLARD: Both Mum and Dad were born in Wales. My sister Alison is three years older than me. She was seven when we migrated. I was four.
MOIRA GILLARD, MOTHER: Alison and Julia are completely opposite, which is, I think is one of the reasons they get on so well.
JULIA GILLARD: Alison's life has been very different to mine. I mean, I've been involved in student politics. I'd seen a lot of trade union politics as an industrial lawyer. Alison left university, she didn't complete her degree, met Paul, who is her lifetime partner, and had Jenna and Tom quite young.
ALISON GILLARD, SISTER: Motherhood's something I really, really enjoyed, and something that took up my life, I suppose. I guess it'd be nice to be an aunty myself. Julia's just chosen to dedicate herself to her career. It's not something I've ever really questioned. |
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