有海外汇款又怕ATO查账的看进来，一劳永逸解决问题

Frozenworld

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denn

Rainyichen 发表于 2013-6-17 12:24
同问，如果提交ruling后，答复是需要征税呢？怎么准备呢？没下文了吗？

下回分解。

kaixinbaobao

Jovani 发表于 2013-6-17 00:31
这么办了此地无银三百两, 会不会引起ATO的特别注意而惹他们来查呢/

我有朋友隔五三岔的就从国内汇款过来,  ...

估计是日期比较近还没查到吧

joyhcheng

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adelaide123

猎豹 发表于 2013-6-17 00:48
我想问楼主一个问题：来澳大利亚读完大学后移民，现在要把以前在中国工作的时候攒的钱拿过来做个小买卖，这 ...

同问。
我在别的国家几年前工作时存下的存款，汇过来澳洲用，需要加税吗？
我在别的国家已经交过税了。
已经是几年前的事了，我也没办法证明什么。

flashprincess

学习。

mmyy77

mark

猪小妹

请教LZ一个问题。移民前在国内购买的房产（现在是澳洲公民），卖出后的增值部分是否要在澳洲交CGT？

iuij

humphreysang 发表于 2013-6-17 00:39
其实只要证据充分，根本不拍ATO查，我个人而言，我会申请ruling：1，几年后很可能文件会找不到，2，几年 ...

感谢LZ分享 不过个人感觉这称不上一个一劳永逸的方法

更准确地说是以防万一的方法 因为我想在这边买房子大多数都要靠家里的长辈支持一下 所以比较大数目的汇款总会存在 而且考虑到以后父母移民过来要把国内的资金逐步转移 去ATO走一下程序都是很有必要的吧

话说听闻只要你是澳洲公民 不管你在哪个大陆只要ATO查得到你的收入 都会问你收税 有这么一说？

江北

学习。。。

iuij

猪小妹 发表于 2013-6-17 12:35
请教LZ一个问题。移民前在国内购买的房产（现在是澳洲公民），卖出后的增值部分是否要在澳洲交CGT？ ...

要考虑该处房产是否在该澳洲公民名下的吧

如果说是父母的房产 可能不必要交付

就算是spouse的话 只有证明是婚前财产 否则觉得悬

seth_chen

mark先

lqyhannah

ATO查海外汇款查了好一阵了......

dianfang

请教一下lz
父母不是纳税居民，他们在澳洲的银行帐号会被ATO查吗？

livialau

ATO會來信叫你解釋的，你只要打電話回覆，說匯款是爸媽給的買房首期就可以了。我去年也是這樣就搞定了。但最好是用爸媽名的帳號匯。

alarlei

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humphreysang

hsqhugh 发表于 2013-6-17 08:53
个人认为没必要弄这么复杂。

ATO也没不讲理到可以随便要钱那个地步，至少对于我们这些小P百姓来说。动辄多 ...

Sorry for the confusion, but this article is not for earning money from Chinese Australians, as I made very clear in the last paragraphs:

        假设我和女朋友明年买房子，双方父母各从中国汇款两万澳元。收到汇款后，我会在以下网址下载表格。有两种表格，一个是纳税人自己申请的表格，另一个是税务代理替纳税人申请的表格。假设我是一个对自己英语有自信的非税务专业人士，我很可能会选择自己递交，原因很简单，请会计师要花钱。 只要ATO确认这4万澳元不是我的可征税收入，我就可以睡好觉了，如果4年后再有莫名其妙的调查，我就把ATO 的 ruling 扔过去，让他们看看清楚 （也只能想想，只有各位筒子还不打算永远离开澳洲，千万不要对ATO的工作人员耍脾气，无论你多么委屈，ATO的权利太大了）

       怎么自助申请ruling, 请参考 ATO网站：

       Google "How to apply for a private ruling"

        自助申请表格，请自行下载：

       Google ”Private ruling application form (not for tax professionals)"

humphreysang

qy045 发表于 2013-6-17 11:55
这个也太夸张了吧。 PRIVATE RULING 一般使用于复杂或者有争议的CASE

I agree. On this point, even in my own firm, different accountants have different opinions.

My interpretation is, now that ATO have two forms for normal taxpayers and tax agents/lawyers, implying that, ATO has the intention to encourage taxpayers to apply for themselves.

In terms of complexity or controversy, judged by so many posts in this forum, a very straightforward and clear-cut issue for you and me, probably is excruciatingly painful for Chinese taxpayers, who are experts in other fields, however just do not know how to deal with ATO.

humphreysang

netfox1983 发表于 2013-6-17 12:14
最后露峥嵘了，是让大家请会计师办理海外汇款。。

Sorry for the confusion, but this article is not for earning money from Chinese Australians, as I made very clear in the last paragraphs:

         假设我和女朋友明年买房子，双方父母各从中国汇款两万澳元。收到汇款后，我会在以下网址下载表格。有两种表格，一个是纳税人自己申请的表格，另一个是税务代理替纳税人申请的表格。假设我是一个对自己英语有自信的非税务专业人士，我很可能会选择自己递交，原因很简单，请会计师要花钱。 只要ATO确认这4万澳元不是我的可征税收入，我就可以睡好觉了，如果4年后再有莫名其妙的调查，我就把ATO 的 ruling 扔过去，让他们看看清楚 （也只能想想，只有各位筒子还不打算永远离开澳洲，千万不要对ATO的工作人员耍脾气，无论你多么委屈，ATO的权利太大了）

       怎么自助申请ruling, 请参考 ATO网站：

       Google "How to apply for a private ruling"

         自助申请表格，请自行下载：

       Google ”Private ruling application form (not for tax professionals)"

humphreysang

selfidea 发表于 2013-6-17 12:18

Sorry for the confusion, but this article is not for earning money from Chinese Australians, as I made very clear in the last paragraphs:

         假设我和女朋友明年买房子，双方父母各从中国汇款两万澳元。收到汇款后，我会在以下网址下载表格。有两种表格，一个是纳税人自己申请的表格，另一个是税务代理替纳税人申请的表格。假设我是一个对自己英语有自信的非税务专业人士，我很可能会选择自己递交，原因很简单，请会计师要花钱。 只要ATO确认这4万澳元不是我的可征税收入，我就可以睡好觉了，如果4年后再有莫名其妙的调查，我就把ATO 的 ruling 扔过去，让他们看看清楚 （也只能想想，只有各位筒子还不打算永远离开澳洲，千万不要对ATO的工作人员耍脾气，无论你多么委屈，ATO的权利太大了）

       怎么自助申请ruling, 请参考 ATO网站：

       Google "How to apply for a private ruling"

         自助申请表格，请自行下载：

       Google ”Private ruling application form (not for tax professionals)"

江南一梦

niu

yourock

看了LZ的帖子，晚上还是睡不着。
唉，没钱苦恼，有钱也苦恼。要是钱再多点，比如曾哥那样，就不用苦恼了。

humphreysang

iuij 发表于 2013-6-17 12:36
感谢LZ分享 不过个人感觉这称不上一个一劳永逸的方法

更准确地说是以防万一的方法 因为我想在这边买房子 ...

That is so right, ATO is getting nastier. There is a tendency that ATO could claim the private ruling is not binding on the basis that the documents submitted are not exactly the true reflection of what happened. But generally, for simple scenarios as the overseas transfer, it is still worth trying to lodge a private ruling (it costs you nothing, and you can get some experience of how to communicate with ATO).

For the information sharing (or the formal term "EOI exchange of information"), it is a provision in Double tax treaties b/n countries. It is increasingly likely that China and Australia will have data-matching program in the future.

Currently as far as I know, there are not many exchanges of such kind b/n China and Australia, if any, the reasons may be as follows:

1. It is a big pain for ATO to match a English Surname with a Chinese character. They better pass Chinese IELTS test first.

2. Chinese government just felt the pain of GFC in this year. Previously, they were not under revenue-raising pressure to tax overseas Chinese.

3. There may be other concerns for Chinese government to engage in such kind of information exchange (communist party, you all understand).


But for other English-Speaking countries, it will be a big risk for you to hide your assets across Canada, UK, NZ, US and Australia. Every country has a big deficit and want to tax whatever they can.

yuxing

七朵花 发表于 2013-6-17 06:59
厉害，学习了

偶也学习了

yzh1999

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humphreysang

Rainyichen 发表于 2013-6-17 12:24
同问，如果提交ruling后，答复是需要征税呢？怎么准备呢？没下文了吗？

What can we do? It is very straightforward situation, our parents sent their hard-earned money from China, which was taxed by Chinese government already. I am really scratching my head to come up with a reason why ATO should decide it is taxable in my hands.

But you never know, if they come up with an outrageous answer (which I think is remotely possible), you better check whether your documents are sufficiently informative or, in the worst scenario, lawyer up.

humphreysang

denn 发表于 2013-6-17 12:27
下回分解。

What can we do? It is very straightforward situation, our parents sent their hard-earned money from China, which was taxed by Chinese government already. I am really scratching my head to come up with a reason why ATO should decide it is taxable in my hands.

But you never know, if they come up with an outrageous answer (which I think is remotely possible), you better check whether your documents are sufficiently informative or, in the worst scenario, lawyer up.

ivy-liao

没有海外汇款啊
好希望有一天能用上

Rainyichen

humphreysang 发表于 2013-6-17 13:34
What can we do? It is very straightforward situation, our parents sent their hard-earned money fr ...

Thanks for all your information.

yzf686

humphreysang 发表于 2013-6-17 13:35
What can we do? It is very straightforward situation, our parents sent their hard-earned money fr ...

Why? Because ATO does not know that your parents earned that money and need you to prove it.