NSW - My School 中小学的NAPLAN排名

BjToSy

我觉得这些数据对家长很重要，但用它衡量学校教学质量就不可靠。它无法显示华人学生的百分比和在外补习的百分比。

miss2yt

这个排名可以决定未来房价走势啦 (paopaobing(56))

MOSMAN就不要想了,追求进100位的学区比较现实~

BOC

原帖由 patrickzhu 于 2010-1-29 17:37 发表

这个不一定，有大量的有OC班的小学里，最后考入OC的考生至少有1/3（也许更多，比如我女儿的学校，本校的就占了一半）来自于本校。

呵呵，我说的不准确，因为他问为什么有的学校Y3不行到Y5一下子就好了，我是打个比方，说明如果成绩突然提高是因为靠OC班补充了大量优秀的学生。
很多学校不在此列，比如Artarmon,Y3本来就很好，我相信到了Y5也有很多本校的考上了OC班，并不是全靠外来的学生。

smiletolife

原帖由 goldenkiwi 于 2010-1-29 18:18 发表

oatley top quarter 有70%, 而hurstville只有11%
我理解是oatley是素质教育,hurstville是应试教育

你是不是理解了ICSEA 中的top quarter 是什么意思？它只是学生家庭背景的综合评分，与学校的成绩无关。不是你理解的是素质教育,还是应试教育的评分。

cydzzj

VIC怎么没有这样的好事者来做个排名呢

alan

谁能帮忙找到南澳州的学校排名啊？
是不是俺们南澳洲比NSW和VIC都要落后，所以就没有呢？

ymf990107

南澳第一的中学大概可以排到悉尼的第25名左右

patrickzhu

SMH报道了NSW NAPLAN排名的冠军学校St Francis of Assisi Regional Primary School
这个学校是一个在悉尼东区Paddington的教会小学，只有175个学生，7个全职老师（一共15个员工）。
校长说简直不能相信她的学校成为了NSW的翘楚。

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/happy-learners-in-a-class-of-their-own-20100128-n1sa.html

Happy learners in a class of their own

ROSIE LEWIS
January 29, 2010

AN EASTERN suburbs school has scored number one in NSW at primary level in numeracy and literacy.

The principal of St Francis of Assisi Regional Primary School, in Paddington, was astounded yesterday when told by the Herald her school had the best average score statewide in National Assessment Program - Literacy and Numeracy testing.

The program assesses all students in Australian schools in years 3, 5, 7 and 9.

Louise Minogue, principal for 12 years, said she could not be prouder.

"We knew our results were excellent but I certainly wasn't expecting this when I got the phone call. It's just such an outstanding achievement."

Miss Minogue said the school's success came from first-class teaching, a strong curriculum and the students.

''We have excellent teachers as well as quality programs. Both focus on the achievement of all students in our school to achieve their personal best. That's our main aim.

''I think it's that culture you embed into the life of the school where you have high expectations … when you believe that children can learn, doesn't matter what level, then you will be able to help children to learn effectively.''

She said that analysing the school's results had really paid off. "[We use] any information that we can get. We're very strong on analysing data here to improve student outcomes. We use a range of data and NAPLAN is just one of them."

While many NSW principals have condemned the Government's My School website, Miss Minogue believes it can be an effective tool.

"If it is used effectively to improve the outcomes for students, then it is a good program. For me it's not about comparing us to other schools, it's about giving the best learning opportunities to students to achieve their personal best."

Eleven-year-old Angus Kelleher, in year 6, was thrilled by the news of his school's success. "That is just amazing. I never thought it would come out like that," he said.

His classmate Sabia Salvatore said the school deserved the ranking. "We've worked really hard and we've got good teachers."

Miss Minogue said she was hopeful the school could maintain its ranking, but that it was not the main goal.

"We want them to be happy learners. At the end of the day that's the most important thing, that they end up being confident students who develop a love of learning," she said.

The school has 175 students and 15 teachers, seven of whom are full time. The scores on the website reflect results from 2008 and 2009.

hurryuphw

觉得这个网站真正是家长的胜利，这里的小学老师太容易做了，不少挣钱，大把假期。朋友去一家小学问，你们学校今年考上几个OC班，居然回答说，这是秘密，不能说。

当然，学业考试排名不一定说明一切，综合素质也重要。但如果一个学校如果培养的孩子彬彬有礼，绅士淑女，而拼写和算数这些基本技能都不好的话，也不能说是成功的。

相信这个网站的意义对澳洲的基础教育非常大，5年，10年后，整个社会的教育水准会大大的提高。

1997

原帖由 BjToSy 于 2010-1-29 19:02 发表
我觉得这些数据对家长很重要，但用它衡量学校教学质量就不可靠。它无法显示华人学生的百分比和在外补习的百分比。

其实很多北区的学校是传统鬼佬区，我想学生大多应该是local的孩子。那里的房价也不是一般华人可以负担的，可他们的成绩照样很靠前。所以我觉得看不看华人比例和在外补习并不重要，教学质量好的学校，学生成绩就好是相关联的。ashifield burwwod auburn  carlton 我想也有很多华人学生，在外补习的也不算少吧。可成绩并不十分理想~

PurpleRipples

原帖由 1997 于 2010-1-30 13:25 发表


其实很多北区的学校是传统鬼佬区，我想学生大多应该是local的孩子。那里的房价也不是一般华人可以负担的，可他们的成绩照样很靠前。所以我觉得看不看华人比例和在外补习并不重要，教学质量好的学校，学生成绩就好 ...

这些区可能是被中东人越南人拖了后腿.

游牧人

这种帖子我都快不敢看了......焦虑了

smiletolife

原帖由 PurpleRipples 于 2010-1-30 13:47 发表



这些区可能是被中东人越南人拖了后腿.

非常正确。

BOC

原帖由 PurpleRipples 于 2010-1-30 13:47 发表



这些区可能是被中东人越南人拖了后腿.

除了Auburn,那几个都是传统华人区，中东人很少的。
华人聚居区里北边的明显要好于西边的和南边的，而最好的是那些北边有钱鬼佬的聚居区

江北

这个排名一出来，说明澳洲的教育开始向中国的教育看齐了。。。。

分分分，学生的命根儿！。。。。。。。。。

patrickzhu

SMH今天继续报道My School所引起的“口水”。。。

因为My School把一些精英的私立学校和一些名不见经传的公立学校分在一类（组）里比较，让某些教师觉得这个网站有重大的缺陷。

网站根据ICSEA的值来分组可比较的学校，产生了一些令人质疑的结果，比如把在Summer Hill的贵族学校Trinity Grammar和Wollongong的Bulli High放在一组里，把墨尔本久负盛名的私校scotch college和公立的Epping North Public放在一起比较。

教师联盟的主席由此用了incomplete, inaccurate and invalid来形容My School。
（不过我建议他应该先研究这个网站和NAPLAN考试考什么两天，再来发表意见会比较好-------patrickzhu）

教育部长Julia Gillard承认ICSEA的值不能总是很精确的反映一些学校学生的总体情况，例外是存在的。
但是她一如既往的坚决捍卫着My School，说这个网站是usefulness，it had a ''very robust methodology''.
（我个人向Julia Gillard在这次My School中所付出的努力和坚持致敬----------patrickzhu）

无论教师联盟的态度和口水，网站开幕第一天有900万次的点击（是对此的最好回应）。

Teachers slam index comparisons

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/teachers-slam-index-comparisons-20100130-n5hc.html

STEPHANIE PEATLING
January 31, 2010

Some of the most elite private schools have been classed as comparable to regional public schools on the controversial My School website, in a move teachers say is another sign that the website is deeply flawed.

The website has created groupings of about 60 schools, which are supposed to be comparable across a range of indicators.
But the site has thrown up questionable results such as placing Trinity Grammar in Summer Hill and Bulli High School, near Wollongong, in the same group, or Epping North Public School with one of Melbourne's most privileged schools, Scotch College.

''It confirms what we have been saying about the website, which is that it is incomplete, inaccurate and invalid,'' the federal president of the Australian Education Union, Angelo Gavrielatos, said.

''It is peculiar and mind-boggling to say that schools in the ACT and South Australia are comparable with one of the wealthiest schools in the country. If this is transparency, then heaven help us.''

Mr Gavrielatos was referring to the King's School in Parramatta, which has been placed in the same group as Concord West Public School and Gundaroo Public School, a small town about half an hour from Canberra.

PLC Sydney and Ascham have both been listed as comparable to public primary schools in South Australia - one that offers intensive language classes to people from non-English speaking backgrounds and another that has just 84 students.

A spokesman for NSW Education Minister Verity Firth said any anomalies on the website were a matter for the Federal Government.

Education Minister Julia Gillard has admitted that the index used to group schools as similar does not always accurately reflect some schools' student mixes.

But she continued to defend the site's usefulness, saying it had a ''very robust methodology''.

The education union is also concerned about the margin of error that exists in the testing results for literacy and numeracy that are included on the site. In some cases, particularly in small schools, the margin of error has been as high as 34.

The union says this demonstrates why the tests should not be used for comparative purposes but only for the reason they were created - to see where a child is up to.

Despite teacher concerns, more than 9 million people have looked at the website.

joyceliu

原来还在打算等我家的要上小学的时候跑去carlton租个房子，宁可搭点钱了，也要把孩子送那去，谁让大家都说好呢．结果这几天发现，我家旁边的两个小学排名还都在carlton前面，不用折腾钱了，真好，my school真是给我省钱了，不错不错　

1997

原帖由 joyceliu 于 2010-1-31 19:23 发表
原来还在打算等我家的要上小学的时候跑去carlton租个房子，宁可搭点钱了，也要把孩子送那去，谁让大家都说好呢．结果这几天发现，我家旁边的两个小学排名还都在carlton前面，不用折腾钱了，真好，my school真是给我省 ...

contactus

查了个差区的OC小学：http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/sc ... ecord&code=1596  Colyton Public School 位于 Nelson St, Mount Druitt NSW
排名Colyton Public School Mount Druitt 453

OC小学排名低，按前面TX的说法，因为Y3低Y5高，拖了后腿，低点还可以接受，但是怎么能这么低？？？

BOC

原帖由 contactus 于 2010-2-1 12:29 发表
查了个差区的OC小学：http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/sc ... ecord&code=1596  Colyton Public School 位于 Nelson St, Mount Druitt NSW
排名Colyton Public School Mount Druitt 453

OC ...

矬子里面拔将军呗。OC是划片的，每一大片都有带OC班的小学，在附近可能已经是最好的了，但是跟好的小学比可能差的很远。

patrickzhu

原帖由 contactus 于 2010-2-1 12:29 发表
查了个差区的OC小学：http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/sc ... ecord&code=1596  Colyton Public School 位于 Nelson St, Mount Druitt NSW
排名Colyton Public School Mount Druitt 453

OC ...

School ICSEA value: 949 大致在全国平均水平
但是Bottom quarter 65%， Middle quarters 33% 1%，  Top quarter 0%，说明学校的学生大部分来自于比较差的教育背景家庭，成绩差些也不奇怪啊。

Mount Druitt 是个有名的地方，13年前，Mount Druitt High School因为HSC的成绩就被媒体贴上差学校的标贴，引起了广泛的争议。

Being labelled worst still causes pain

MATTHEW BENNS
January 31, 2010

Dianne Pyne has seen firsthand the suffering that comes from being labelled the worst school in NSW and she was depressed and disappointed to see ranking tables appear last week.

''For a school to be singled out and denigrated, it's so hard to recover - to recover the confidence of the community and to encourage teachers to come back there,'' she said.

Mrs Pyne is one of two teachers still at Chifley College which, as Mount Druitt High School 13 years ago, was branded the ''Class We Failed'' by The Daily Telegraph.

Its distressed HSC students, whose class photo was used with the article, successfully sued the newspaper for defamation. The appearance of the My School website brought back bad memories for Mrs Pyne.

''It's so hard to convey the outrage, the anger, the hurt that we felt at that time and how hard it was to rebuild from that,'' she said. ''A test like this is not the summation of the school. It does not tell you about the broad curriculum or how hard people have worked. Unfortunately some people will base their entire opinion of the school on this one piece of information. It will force principals to concentrate on just numeracy and literacy at the cost of the broad, rich curriculum.

''The shame that those students went through was horrible … Now we are being reminded of it again.

'' These are children's lives and I think our public schools deserve better than that.

''It's not just our school. It's many schools that will be labelled as failures because they appear lower down on a league table.''

PurpleRipples

去年开始不划片了.想考哪考哪.:)

contactus

原帖由 BOC 于 2010-2-1 12:39 发表

矬子里面拔将军呗。OC是划片的，每一大片都有带OC班的小学，在附近可能已经是最好的了，但是跟好的小学比可能差的很远。

一直感觉OC小学怎么说也应该排在前面，毕竟全NSW就那么几十所OC小学。这次看到烂区的OC小学排名到了400多。有些迷茫了。

contactus

原帖由 patrickzhu 于 2010-2-1 12:44 发表

School ICSEA value: 949 大致在全国平均水平
但是Bottom quarter 65%， Middle quarters 33% 1%，  Top quarter 0%，说明学校的学生大部分来自于比较差的教育背景家庭，成绩差些也不奇怪啊。

Mount Dru ...

嗯。MT DRUITT这个区是很差的。能在这样的差区里有OC小学，不由得担心生源质量和教师的质量呢。不知道这个OC的标准是根据什么设定的呢？
BTW，这个ICSEA怎么翻译合适呢？ 谢谢！

[ 本帖最后由 contactus 于 2010-2-1 13:52 编辑 ]

BOC

原帖由 contactus 于 2010-2-1 13:46 发表


一直感觉OC小学怎么说也应该排在前面，毕竟全NSW就那么几十所OC小学。这次看到烂区的OC小学排名到了400多。有些迷茫了。

没办法，为了兼顾教育的公平性，再差的区也得设OC小学，否则对差区的孩子不公平（以前OC小学是划片的，也就是一片有一个OC小学，现在取消了）。

contactus

原帖由 BOC 于 2010-2-1 14:02 发表

没办法，为了兼顾教育的公平性，再差的区也得设OC小学，否则对差区的孩子不公平（以前OC小学是划片的，也就是一片有一个OC小学，现在取消了）。

那就是要把好老师派过去喽？看来这OC班实际上是按师资划分了。

smiletolife

原帖由 contactus 于 2010-2-1 14:23 发表


那就是要把好老师派过去喽？看来这OC班实际上是按师资划分了。

有道理。能做OC班的老师，一定是优秀的。
听说，我女儿今年的老师原来是教OC班的，因为生孩子了，今年不教OC班。不过现在在家休产假，要第二个学期才上班（现在是代课老师）。不知那教OC班的老师如何，且听下回分解。

patrickzhu

SMH今天有弄了个Sydney Top 20的排名，呵呵。
同时报道说，大学研究和房产中介都预测League Table（及其My School）将会影响家长们的购房决定。
大学的研究说，家长们是肯定会参考学习的表现其实排名来决定住哪里的。
但是对于那些无法负担好学校所在区房价的家长们来说，会有被困住的感觉。
通过和一些买公立好学校（比如Burwood Girls, Cheltenham Girls, Epping Boys, Killara and Cherrybrook Technology High School）学区里房子的家长的采访，得出的结论就是已经存在的趋势（好学校的学区里房子紧俏）会进一步的加强。

传统上好的中学的学区出来是很抢手的，现在可能房产中介会说这个区的小学NAPLAN成绩很好了。。。

Schools website leads parents to change address
Anna Patty
February 6, 2010 - 12:35AM

LEAGUE tables will influence parents to buy homes in suburbs with top-ranking schools, university researchers and real estate agents predict.

Academics from the University of Sydney who have researched school choice say parents will consult performance rankings on the Federal Government's My School website when deciding where to live.

But those who cannot afford to move to suburbs with better ranking schools may become prone to feeling trapped, said Craig Campbell, an associate professor from the Faculty of Education and Social Work at the University of Sydney.

Professor Campbell, who co-wrote a book on school choice, has interviewed parents who bought real estate within the catchment areas of reputable public schools. Popular high schools include Burwood Girls, Cheltenham Girls, Epping Boys, Killara and Cherrybrook Technology High School.

''It is likely the trends that already exist will get stronger,'' he said. ''The league tables are going to be a powerful new source of information for parents. I have no doubt it will impact on real estate decisions.''

British research had found that some people who felt they did not have the financial or educational resources to work the education system felt alienated. Others who had the resources had become more engaged in making it work for them.

''It has been a long-term trend kicked off [in Australia] by the dezoning of government schools,'' he said. ''There are going to be a lot of people who feel more trapped, who can't afford to buy into the areas with good government schools.''

Professor Campbell said he agreed with commentators such as the academic Michael Pusey who have argued that the rise of neo-liberalism has contributed to undermining confidence in public institutions.

The middle classes now felt a need to insure themselves against failing government health and education systems.

''The collapse of traditional working-class jobs has also put more pressure on people who have been less reliant on schools and education in the past.

''Those people can't afford the good real estate and, possibly, better schools.''

Helen Proctor, a fellow lecturer at the Faculty of Education and Social Work at the University of Sydney, co-wrote School Choice, How Parents Negotiate the New School Market in Australia with Professor Campbell and Geoffrey Sherington.

She said the new data would contribute to parents thinking more about primary school choice. ''In the research we did for the school choice book we were finding parents who had moved right across Sydney because they had identified a good high school,'' she said.

''It will be interesting to see whether real estate agents will be saying a primary school has good NAPLAN tests.''

Virginia Nicoll, of the real estate agency Harris Tripp First in Summer Hill, said good schools in the area, including Summer Hill Public, Trinity Grammar and St Patricks Catholic, were a selling point.

''We've been experiencing that solidly for the past 10 years, parents moving into the suburb for the schools in the area.''

Maria Gerber of Elders real estate in Stanmore said she had spoken to parents wanting to buy in the Stanmore area, to be in its school catchment.

''We are surrounded by a good selection of private and public schools. Parents will be looking at those … statistics and making decisions based on those as well.''


SYDNEY'S TOP 22 schools


1. Sydney Grammar School, Edgecliff Preparatory School

2. Sydney Grammar School, St Ives Preparatory School

3. St Francis' School Paddington

4. St Mary's Preparatory School North Sydney

5. Artarmon Public School

6. John Colet School Belrose

7. Woollahra Public School

8. Mosman Church of England Preparatory School

9. Abbotsleigh Wahroonga

10. SCEGGS Darlinghurst

11. Holy Family Catholic Primary School Lindfield

12. Our Lady of the Rosary School Kensington

13. Queenwood School for Girls Mosman

14. Beaumont Road Public School Killara

15. Carlingford West Public School Carlingford

16. St Aloysius' College Milsons Point

17. St Ives North Public School

18. Epping West Public School

19. St Philip Neri Catholic Primary School Northbridge

20. Summer Hill Public School

Source: Herald analysis of data from My Schools website.


This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/schools-website-leads-parents-to-change-address-20100205-niqw.html

[ 本帖最后由 patrickzhu 于 2010-2-6 15:05 编辑 ]

jingsun

弱智的编辑，下面的前4名学校实际是2所学校，而不是4所。
1. Sydney Grammar School,
2. Edgecliff Preparatory School
3. Sydney Grammar School
4. St Ives Preparatory School

patrickzhu

原帖由 jingsun 于 2010-2-6 13:02 发表
弱智的编辑，下面的前4名学校实际是2所学校，而不是4所。
1. Sydney Grammar School,
2. Edgecliff Preparatory School
3. Sydney Grammar School
4. St Ives Preparatory School

原来如此，哈哈，我修改下。
谢谢指出。