我们的侯议员终于发飙了：他要求写信请求他辞职的人赔偿50000澳币

SOSHELPPLZ

gavy 发表于 2021-2-6 18:05
其实这个侯议员蠢的一13      赔偿5w ？   脑子秀逗了      赔偿1刀+道歉或者说保留诉诸法律的权力       ...

这个议员如果只是保留权力，不发律师信的话，就等于默认了。

正规走法律途径，明确双方的真正现实身份，看到底有没有说过那些话
才是水落石出的方法。

如果写信人真的是大学里的学生的话，大学里是有免费法律援助的，所以双方都会有代表律师。
我们吃瓜等结果就好了。

rains

SOSHELPPLZ 发表于 2021-2-6 15:01
这个信5号发在reddit上了。是公开的。

写信的人是不是学生的身份不好说。

看截图，候议员的第一次回应，是发在一个名为Adelaide CBD Business Owner的495人大群的，不是30几人的小群。
投诉人是不是学生身份，我也不能肯定，但这不影响。最关键是，ta有没有不实指控。无论如何，ta应该尽快寻求法援。

rabbitpoint

gaddafi 发表于 2021-2-6 13:58
这人是怎么选上Councillor 的？这个放在哪里都不是正常的价值观，这人有毛病吧？现在都学会动不动拿律师信 ...

看他交什么朋友就能猜出来他啥货色

SOSHELPPLZ

rains 发表于 2021-2-6 18:10
看截图，候议员的第一次回应，是发在一个名为Adelaide CBD Business Owner的495人大群的，不是30几人的小 ...

那个律师信里面最后一行，就是这个议员的律师，要求这个写信人去找个律师。双方律师进行事实明确的。


我原本只是看那个帖子，觉得这个议员有毛病； 但是当我看完了那张5页的完整律师信，就觉得事情没那么简单了。

话说，真的没有人保存那份完整的律师信吗？现在reddit 帖子里已经被移除了。感觉是个很好的模板呢......

rains

SOSHELPPLZ 发表于 2021-2-6 15:14
那个律师信里面最后一行，就是这个议员的律师，要求这个写信人去找个律师。双方律师进行事实明确的。

我也好奇，想看看候议员的律师信，不知哪里有。

jinxu_0

rains 发表于 2021-2-6 16:47
我也好奇，想看看候议员的律师信，不知哪里有。

你在谷歌搜索他名字信。 搜图片就能出来。 谷歌还保留了

flyinfree

这封信应该就是被候大官人发律师信的"涉案文件"了.

Dear Lord Mayor, Councillors of the City of Adelaide,

I am writing to you today regarding Mr Simon Hou's irresponsible comments on Fun Tea assault, and his improper influence among Chinese businesses in Adelaide. As you may well know, this assault against a young female worker who is attempting to collect her stolen wages from the business owner happened last week, resulting in she to be forcefully kicked to the ground and head to be hit on a table by the business owner and his associates. Police and Fair Work is investigating this case.

This is a horrible incident. However, right after this incident goes viral on the social media, Mr Simon Hou, Central Ward Councillor for the City of Adelaide and president of the China Business Network of South Australia (CBNSA) made an extremely irresponsible and improper public statement on this incident (which can be seen in the attachment). In this statement, Mr Hou, as he claimed to be the leader of the Chinese community, stated that he is a friend of both Jason Duan, the owner of Fun Tea, and Gavin Guo, the attacker and friend of Jason Duan. Mr Hou stated that wants this incident to be mediate in a private settlement without formal legal process or involvement of authority. He also insists that Jason Duan's practice is not "as bad as claimed by the Internet", and he "will never distance himself from his friends". He also showed little sympathy on the victim, and made no condemnation on the unacceptable violence or salary theft. Such statement already sparks fury among the Chinese community in Adelaide.

As a Chinese student in Adelaide and a member of the Chinese community, and especially someone who were force working under $11 per hour in my previous part-time job, I urge Mr Simon Hou to step down as Councillor representing the City of Adelaide and the Chinese community. I also petition for Adelaide City Council to perform an investigation on Mr Hou's improper behaviour regarding the following issues. I hope Mr Simon Hou will explain himself to the public that why,

Under his leading of the China Business Network of South Australia, wage theft and employer abuse been a common practice among Chinese business in Adelaide, and no attempt ever been made on this issue.

Over the past few years, it is well known among the Chinese community in South Australia that Jason Duan, owner of Fun Tea and other businesses in Adelaide CBD, will threaten employees who dare to ask for a fair wage that he "have connections among high-ranks in the Adelaide government", "have a good friend in the city council", especially to Chinese students who just arrived and are not familiar with the Australia political system, and such threaten caused fears in Chinese students and let workers to back down from their rightful demands. We can also clearly see in the video that in this case, Gavin Guo the attacker also threatened the female worker with his "connections with high-ups". Since Mr Hou admits that he and Mr Duan are "friends", and he knows Gavin Guo for 14 years, why he never published any disclaimer about his roles in the City Council, and why he never stopped his friends from using his name to threaten employees over the years?

It is reported that previously there are Chinese students contacting Mr Simon Hou to seek advice on defending themselves against wage theft, and Mr Hou turned them away, stating that "I myself started working on jobs that pays only $5 per hour, you either accept it or walk away. If you attempt to collect your wage through legal process, not Chinese business in Adelaide will ever hire you again." Can Mr Hou please explain his positions on wage theft and Chinese business's practice in Adelaide.

Wage theft and employer abuse have been around Chinatown for more than 2 decades, and this kind of assault will continue to happen until decisive action to be taken by both the government and the community. Please let it to be one of the last examples of the systematic abuse against minorities here in Adelaide.

Yours sincerely

urbb

SOSHELPPLZ 发表于 2021-2-6 18:01
这个信5号发在reddit上了。是公开的。

写信的人是不是学生的身份不好说。

律师函上确认了他是FLINDERS UNI 的学生。

澳洲小青龙

背后有人要搞这个议员啊。

violinlearner

有众筹给学生请律师应诉的话愿意捐款

urbb

SOSHELPPLZ 发表于 2021-2-6 18:14
那个律师信里面最后一行，就是这个议员的律师，要求这个写信人去找个律师。双方律师进行事实明确的。

因为是正式的律师函， 所以要在规定时间内回复， 否则就是承认了他所列出的11条诽谤内容。  
他现在要做的就是找法律援助正式回应这封信。

是不是诽谤并不是就是律师函上说的就是，律师函所列内容其实就是委托人的个人意思。
我看了那11条里，估计只有一两条需要证据证明是否属实，其他的很难判定是诽谤。

缓缓

对人性再次失望

dadanding

要不大家一人写一封给南澳政府?这种算是投诉也不犯法。

xm2w

说明这个议员仗着自己有权请的起律师欺负中国学生，还要人家赔钱，赔钱的依据在哪儿

SOSHELPPLZ

urbb 发表于 2021-2-6 18:40
律师函上确认了他是FLINDERS UNI 的学生。

没有确认，

只是引用了写信人的自称。 律师信上引用写信人身份时写的是and/or at material time， 这个“曾经，或者”的表述表示身份并没有确认。

没有进入正式程序，怎么可能验证对方身份
现在这双方还只是email打交道阶段

flyinfree

天顶星人请"神兽律师所"写的律师信,昨天发出的(05/02/2021).

Dear Sir,

*******************
Defamatory Email sent by you dated 5 February 2021

1,We act on behalf of ********* who is as you are aware and at all material times was:
1.1 a councillor for the *********************'
1.2 the Principal of ******************'
1.3 A graduate of the F*** University
1.4 The president of the Chinese B** N** of *********
1.5 a person that had no criminal record of any nature other than minor traffic infringements;
1.6 an active member of the Chinese community in **** where he is well known, regarded and respected;

2, You were and/or at all material times:
2.1 a student at the F*** Unversity;
2.2 A member of the Chinese community in ****;
*
*
*
*
*
13 The 5 February email is egregiously defamatory of Mr. **** and is replete with false and vile accusations against him which you know not to be true.

14 Our client hereby demands the following undertakings from you:

14.1 That you will publish an unreserved apology to our client, in terms acceptable to our client, with the same prominence as the email itself;
14.2 That you will pay our client's reasonable legal expenses;
14.3 That you will pay our client the sum of $50000.00 in lieu of damages;

15. Unless the matter can be resolved in the aforesaid manner our client will be claiming exemplary damages in respect of the defamation against him having regard to the clear malice that you bear towards him.

16. We strongly recommend that you refer this matter to your legal advisors as pursuant to the provisions of the Defamation Act certain time limits apply and failure to comply with those time limits may be prejudicial to you at a later date.

You faithfully
(神兽)律师所

天顶星人状告地球中国人,有好戏了!神兽律师行为外星人发言,不知我方谁能应战?

RCF50

不用怕，没钱就在go fund me上酬款，大家一起捐，还不信找不到厉害的律师了。
这个所谓的议员又开始欺负手无寸铁的学生了，真是呵呵了

SOSHELPPLZ

urbb 发表于 2021-2-6 18:48
因为是正式的律师函， 所以要在规定时间内回复， 否则就是承认了他所列出的11条诽谤内容。  
他现在要做 ...

如果他真的是学生的话，就更不用怕，学校里有免费的法律援助部门。

州政府的legal aid也是免费的。

lindalili

这是挨个秀智商下线吗？

jianguopp

flyinfree 发表于 2021-2-6 18:36
这封信应该就是被候大官人发律师信的"涉案文件"了.

Dear Lord Mayor, Councillors of the City of Adelaid ...

Mr Hou stated that wants this incident to be mediate in a private settlement without formal legal process or involvement of authority.

这样写的话，如果没有证据支持，真的会被反诉诽谤。就看证据是否充分了，看双方律师的答复了。

flyinfree

lindalili 发表于 2021-2-6 18:58
这是挨个秀智商下线吗？

看来点,南澳F大学内战罢了,学长告学弟,我看学校如何出面摆平.

flyinfree

jianguopp 发表于 2021-2-6 19:12
Mr Hou stated that wants this incident to be mediate in a private settlement without formal legal  ...

这事应该第一时间找学校法律援助处先把回复给弄了.

然后对方还要纠缠,那就立马请律师,准备上庭,然后走GO FUND ME,然后我们干活!

flyinfree

头尾两页有天顶星人的就不发了。

jianguopp

flyinfree 发表于 2021-2-6 19:15
这事应该第一时间找学校法律援助处先把回复给弄了.

然后对方还要纠缠,那就立马请律师,准备上庭,然 ...

是的，不要自己直接回复，交给律师处理。
有些事情，自己觉得占理，但在法律层面未必。既然已经到了这一步，还是要找律师。

想买房的草

真不要脸！

帅虎

这封信肯定是律师的意思，律师又不是傻子写这个绝对是有证据的，在很多事实都不清楚的时候，不要一味的跟风，看明白了再说话，是个好习惯

gycyc

无论结果如何 这个议员的仕途肯定是走到头了

rains

urbb 发表于 2021-2-6 15:48
因为是正式的律师函， 所以要在规定时间内回复， 否则就是承认了他所列出的11条诽谤内容。  
他现在要做 ...

谢谢足友提醒，可用谷歌搜候议员名字+letter，搜图片就有。律师信共6页，目前第4页没有了，其余都还在。

我看了以后和你感觉相近，候的律师提出了11条defamation指控，都是针对投诉信写到的内容。也就是说，候议员否认，他认为那是诽谤。

发信人如果证据在手，逐条驳回就是。关键是现在要请律师回信。

dancingpig

urbb 发表于 2021-2-6 18:48
因为是正式的律师函， 所以要在规定时间内回复， 否则就是承认了他所列出的11条诽谤内容。  
他现在要做 ...

"因为是正式的律师函， 所以要在规定时间内回复， 否则就是承认了他所列出的11条诽谤内容。"

你这句话是完全错误的，收信方可以回复也可以置之不理。律师函对收信方没有任何法律效力，更不存在规定时间内必须回复的说法。

律师函是准备法律诉讼的一个提前告知和警告。如果对方不想打官司，可以有时间协商解决纠纷，避免打官司。如果对方认为自己不怕诉讼，说句难听话，可以把律师函当手纸用。

urbb

rains 发表于 2021-2-6 19:28
谢谢足友提醒，可用谷歌搜候议员名字+letter，搜图片就有。律师信共6页，目前第4页没有了，其余都还在。
...

是的。 如果有证据证明属实， 诽谤不成立， 甚至可以反诉他作为公仆恐吓批评他的平民。