小生意/公司找会计师报税一般多少钱？Trust报税呢？

熙雯妈

原帖由 xinxin119 于 2011-9-5 00:59 发表
it depends on your business complexity, and how do you prepare the records

Yes, the fee we paid includes the business set up, consultation and all that. The accountant I went to has more than 25 years experiences, so he charges me 200 dollars per hour. I think it will be less next year, since the first year we had so much going on.

xinxin119

i dont know your situation, but it looks like a fair price.

Poweregg

原帖由 xinxin119 于 5/9/2011 22:22 发表
i dont know your situation, but it looks like a fair price.

If you don't know her situation, how can you say it's a fair price?

And when you make comments, don't forget disclose you are an accountant to avoid "conflict interest"

I welcome accountants make comments like how much should pay for some service, but not simply "It's fair price"

xinxin119

Well....
If you don't know her situation, how can you say it's a fair price?
what could u expect me to say ? " oh god, you got ripped off ?" "oh damn, that is bloody cheap?"  If you struggled to understand "fair price", I am happy  to reword what I say :"i dont know your situation, but the price they charge looks like not too expensive, not too cheap."

And when you make comments, don't forget disclose you are an accountant to avoid "conflict interest"
Yes, I am an accountant , I come here not for commercial purpose,
"conflict of interest" ? I am wondering what kind of conflict interest I involve, make sure you choose the right words to accuse people. Did I send you any message to beg you to be my client ? I did not and will never be! Did I tell everyone " hey I am an accountant and come to me" in this forum. Did I ever put my contact detail in my profile or signature ?  

I welcome accountants make comments like how much should pay for some service, but not simply "It's fair price"
There is no standard price for  services offered in every firm.  Please find those not too expensive and not too cheap one.

No one in this forum is responsible to give you any advice, if you don't appreciate people's time to write on your post,  i feel sorry for them.

xinxin119

re: to your response in a deleted post

your quote"u are a funny accountant...
this is gov website providing basic ABN information, and an accountant, u call it's charity?(U did not know this website before?)
or u think it should only be accessed by ... "

for the ABN web post which has been deleted, I will strongly suggest you go to abr to search for oursteps pty ltd and check this company's gst date and status. Then go to ATO to check GST registration requirement. Finally use your ROCK head to THINK what my actual meaning of "charity" is. Geez, what is going wrong with you.

[ 本帖最后由 xinxin119 于 2011-9-6 15:04 编辑 ]

熙雯妈

what is going on here?

xinxin119

I don't know, this poweragg turned his gun to me and accuse me for no reason

ljr668

去年那个会计师去年收我300元包GST今年只收288,但我实在不敢给他做了.

moonbeam

你们的会计师要你们自己签名的吗？
如果是我们自己签名的，那是不是说 会计师不用为他们帮做的数负责呀？

Poweregg

原帖由 xinxin119 于 6/9/2011 19:18 发表
I don't know, this poweragg turned his gun to me and accuse me for no reason

ok, the reason is....

someone post another post provide a website can be used to search ABN info

then u make comments saying that website is doing charity

that is a goverment website and I think all accountant should know that...

your comments make me feel u don't know that website...

I would like to pay money to an good accountant, but not an accountant not knowing abr...

this is the story....maybe I mis-understand u...anyway ..

lee2267

原帖由 moonbeam 于 2011-9-7 11:47 发表

你们的会计师要你们自己签名的吗？
如果是我们自己签名的，那是不是说 会计师不用为他们帮做的数负责呀？

对individual 来说。。会计师从来都不用为帮客户做的数负责呀啊。。。谁签字谁负责--

xinxin119

原帖由 Poweregg 于 2011-9-8 19:23 发表


ok, the reason is....

someone post another post provide a website can be used to search ABN info

then u make comments saying that website is doing charity

that is a goverment website and I think  ...

yes, what i am trying to say is ourstep pty ltd is running like a charity because they recently registered GST as the link provided by someone. U miss shot people poweregg....

cherryfly

原帖由 Poweregg 于 2011-9-1 21:11 发表


那看来我这个1500的现在还算靠谱
回答也很热心，在trust成立之初还提醒我不要把爸妈放进去，免得10年等待期后影响他们拿福利

对于税务方面，我觉得我们自己也要多学多问，这样的话，人家也会重视，不忽悠我们

'不要把爸妈放进去，免得10年等待期后影响他们拿福利' ? what if you only distribute to them $6000 each? still affect their age pension l0 years later? can you distribute for 10 years and stop after 10 years?

thanks.

xinxin119

原帖由 cherryfly 于 2011-9-9 17:07 发表


'不要把爸妈放进去，免得10年等待期后影响他们拿福利' ? what if you only distribute to them $6000 each? still affect their age pension l0 years later? can you distribute for 10 years and stop after 10 years?

thanks.

As long as the trustee can prove no distribution will be made to the parents, it is regardless to leave parents in the beneficiary schedule or not. Personal opinion only unless they fail assets test

[ 本帖最后由 xinxin119 于 2011-9-9 17:51 编辑 ]

liquidator

自己把数都加好的,我见过收500的,一般找1500左右的,应该帮你出出主意了.

Poweregg

原帖由 xinxin119 于 9/9/2011 17:01 发表


yes, what i am trying to say is ourstep pty ltd is running like a charity because they recently registered GST as the link provided by someone. U miss shot people poweregg....

躺着也会中枪，that‘s life
但还是不明白为什么说 run as charity，GST是大于75000一定要注册，对慈善机构可以150000，但好像和这个ourstep没关系

原帖由 cherryfly 于 9/9/2011 17:07 发表


'不要把爸妈放进去，免得10年等待期后影响他们拿福利' ? what if you only distribute to them $6000 each? still affect their age pension l0 years later? can you distribute for 10 years and stop after 10 years?

thanks.

我当时也有这个疑问，会计师的解释是到时拿福利会有一个 Trust测试，我当时也问过这个问题
Centrelink treat Trust's Assets as Beneficiary 's?
可以参考

http://www.centrelink.gov.au/int ... estores/modpt_1005/$file/modpt_1005en_p.pdf


http://www.centrelink.gov.au/int ... stores/fis022_0905/$file/fis022_0905en.rtf

cherryfly

Thanks for sharing Poweregg.

is it possible to cancel the trust 10 years after when parents are eligible to get the aged pension? or remove them from the Family Trust?

Do you know?

xinxin119

it may cause capital gain consequence if you wind up the trust. I am not sure this can work -- the trustee can draft a letter to centrelink to advise that the parents will not be entitled to receive any distribution or entitled to receive any assets if the trust goes to liquidate

Poweregg

原帖由 cherryfly 于 13/9/2011 11:53 发表
Thanks for sharing Poweregg.

is it possible to cancel the trust 10 years after when parents are eligible to get the aged pension? or remove them from the Family Trust?

Do you know?

上面那个会计说得对
beneficiary改动要谨慎，很可能引发CGT

xinxin119

who is the 上面那个会计 :)

LENNY_DONG

原帖由 xinxin119 于 2011-9-5 00:57 发表

u will find that is a big trouble once your client base is getting big

所以要一定程度的时候，只作优质客户。价格可以低，客户质量要高。

xinxin119

quite right

xinxin119

原帖由 lee2267 于 2011-9-8 19:27 发表

对individual 来说。。会计师从来都不用为帮客户做的数负责呀啊。。。谁签字谁负责--

Thats not right , accountants can be sued for negligence or lack of due care.

skipy

我朋友quote我一年$1200+gst，4次的bas, 加trust tax reture，外加无数次的咨询。看样子，还行！

还有一个quote是$1500+GST, family trust + 2 personal + 1 property  tax reture package；

不知哪个合算一些？

lgao12

原帖由 Poweregg 于 2011-9-1 21:11 发表


那看来我这个1500的现在还算靠谱
回答也很热心，在trust成立之初还提醒我不要把爸妈放进去，免得10年等待期后影响他们拿福利

对于税务方面，我觉得我们自己也要多学多问，这样的话，人家也会重视，不忽悠我们

我的会计师每年收$2000,包括4个BAS、公司和2个个人年度退税。不过每个季度的BAS是我自己把所有的东西都整理好做成EXCEL表格，里面Sales、Ex什么的分项和总项列的明明白白的，那数字直接抄到BAS表上我觉得就ok了，感觉挺贵的。关键是很多问题都没跟我说清楚啊，就像trust，光跟我说怎么怎么好，可是完全没有告诉我怎么运作.怎么关联，就说到年底利润可以在家庭成员中任意分配，这样就不交公司税了。我也傻傻的搞不清楚，还以为年底就直接把这笔钱转给Family trust的成员就行了，头脑一热就让她们帮我建了family trust。上次问我今年要不要报trust，报的话还要再收$2000 我搞不清怎么就distribute一下，而且还是通过个人报税，就多收一倍。
昨天仔细看了论坛里关于trust的东西，才明白要用trust实现合理避税，就得用trust的名义来经营，还得有相应的银行账户什么的。晕死，我现在一直是用公司在trade，进账全部是公司账户啊。不然的话，就是LZ另一个帖子里提到的第二种方式（family trust作为公司的shareholder分配利润），可这种不适合我们啊。公司营业第一年，总营业额就那么点，都交了公司税了，还要trust干嘛啊 更糟的是，帖子里的TZ们都说trust deed特别重要，尤其是里面beneficiary什么的，可我当时建的时候问会计师要不要写我妈妈和弟弟（因为她下半年父母移民就批下来了，弟弟现在澳洲境内），会计师跟我说写也行，不写也行，到时可以再改。真的是这样吗？钱收了，trust建了，可我到现在也没见着相关东西，不知道我的trust deed上是怎么写的，要有什么问题不知道还能不能改啊
一大堆问题搞不清楚，头都晕了，准备重找个会计好好给我理顺一下。LZ的会计师是不是挺好的，能给我介绍下不？或者其他TZ有没有好的会计师介绍啊？希望是个比较懂trust的，我想让他帮我把目前的情况好好理一下，而且从一开始就给我plan个好的structure

zysoo

mark

roy99883630

原帖由 lgao12 于 2012-6-15 16:07 发表


我的会计师每年收$2000,包括4个BAS、公司和2个个人年度退税。不过每个季度的BAS是我自己把所有的东西都整理好做成EXCEL表格，里面Sales、Ex什么的分项和总项列的明明白白的，那数字直接抄到BAS表上我觉得就ok了，感觉挺 ...

你这个似乎是贵了点，在悉尼北边得话，我可以推荐个公司给你，虽然不便宜，但不至于这么贵，也能肯定服务绝对好解释得够明白，不过，现在那里没人能说中文的。

SUNNY9

原帖由 Poweregg 于 2011-9-1 21:11 发表


那看来我这个1500的现在还算靠谱
回答也很热心，在trust成立之初还提醒我不要把爸妈放进去，免得10年等待期后影响他们拿福利

对于税务方面，我觉得我们自己也要多学多问，这样的话，人家也会重视，不忽悠我们

我去年10月份也成立了trust, 但我的会计还说要把我父母也加进去可以分摊利润，（我父母目前在国内，
今年有计划帮他们买位移民过来，今天看到和你的会计不同的说法，不知那方是正确的？请高人指点，谢谢！

茄菲

大家在网路上了解了基本信息，拿去问问您的会计师不就知道他对trust的了解程度了么？

iwhatwhat

纯顶，拿着大家报的价格当以后的参考价了，谢谢分享