小公司的AA到大公司的AA

n95

I can tell you that large company AA is not a good job, it is the job everyone don't want to do and pretty time consuming work , such as bank rec; GL rec ( some company use backline, some use excel)..... you would not learning anything from this role.

maybe intercompany transaction is an challenge for you as you will chase up overseas intercom sales and purchase, you might learn reconcile the stock, cash flow forecast............but it is just a time consuming work

lots of jounal entry even you are not under stand accounting you can do it.

idontknow

这些我做ａｐ和在其他公司做ａｃｃｏｕｎｔｓ　ａｓｓｉｓｔａｎｔ的时候就做过了，如果没有这些做基础怎么能直接作ａｃｃｏｕｎｔａｎｔ呢。

可能每个公司ａａ的责任不一样，我看有些公司的ａａ工作内容就比较难，有些公司的ａａ纯粹就是ｒｅｃ　ｏｆｆｉｃｅｒ，只不过ｔｉｔｌｅ　都叫ａａ，但是前者明显水平高于后者。

原帖由 n95 于 2010-10-20 16:01 发表
I can tell you that large company AA is not a good job, it is the job everyone don't want to do and pretty time consuming work , such as bank rec; GL rec ( some company use backline, some use excel).. ...

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cicillx

原帖由 n95 于 2010-10-20 16:01 发表
I can tell you that large company AA is not a good job, it is the job everyone don't want to do and pretty time consuming work , such as bank rec; GL rec ( some company use backline, some use excel).. ...

为什么不先跳中型公司呢？

sally00dai

我觉得大多数小公司其实就是一个BOOKKEEPER，再忙点就给这个BOOKKEEPER加个助手，叫AA，也算是什么都干吧，但实质上就是干的就是BOOKKEEPER的活，在MYOB之类的软件上记记帐，月末自动出下报表。而大公司财务成本费用就比较复杂，涉及到的东西也比较多，CPA考试要考的那些知识才有可能接触到。如果能协助做月末总帐对帐，报表，预算什么的才是楼主想要的真正意义的AA。 楼主不是不能跳到小公司，但跳之前要先了解清楚对方的财务设置和以后工作的职责。如果公司虽然小但财务设置比较全面，有个finance team,那还是可以考虑的。

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idontknow

正解，这就是我想要的position，只能努力争取了

原帖由 sally00dai 于 2010-10-20 20:28 发表
我觉得大多数小公司其实就是一个BOOKKEEPER，再忙点就给这个BOOKKEEPER加个助手，叫AA，也算是什么都干吧，但实质上就是干的就是BOOKKEEPER的活，在MYOB之类的软件上记记帐，月末自动出下报表。而大公司财务成本费用就比较复杂，涉 ...

idontknow

不易，不会那么巧，想找什么规模的时候就会有工作出来，也要碰运气，有时候想找小公司的aa与不一定有机会。

原帖由 cicillx 于 2010-10-20 19:00 发表


为什么不先跳中型公司呢？

cicillx

原帖由 sally00dai 于 2010-10-20 20:28 发表
我觉得大多数小公司其实就是一个BOOKKEEPER，再忙点就给这个BOOKKEEPER加个助手，叫AA，也算是什么都干吧，但实质上就是干的就是BOOKKEEPER的活，在MYOB之类的软件上记记帐，月末自动出下报表。而大公司财务成本费用就比较复杂，涉 ...

bookkeeper的工作经验CPA能完全认可吗？

做到公司的月末报表，预算之类的才属于真正意义上的CPA工作经验？做一般的ACCOUNTS方面的经验就不能完全算呢？

lulucai

原帖由 cicillx 于 2010-10-20 21:50 发表



bookkeeper的工作经验CPA能完全认可吗？

做到公司的月末报表，预算之类的才属于真正意义上的CPA工作经验？做一般的ACCOUNTS方面的经验就不能完全算呢？ ...

bookkeeper也可以抵掉几个月的经验的

做Month end report也不是啥有趣的工作，很无聊的，不知道为啥大家那么向往。每个月都是那个template,然后你run report,再往那个template 里面填数字，能学到些啥呢

wangrui1210

原帖由 sally00dai 于 2010-10-20 20:28 发表
我觉得大多数小公司其实就是一个BOOKKEEPER，再忙点就给这个BOOKKEEPER加个助手，叫AA，也算是什么都干吧，但实质上就是干的就是BOOKKEEPER的活，在MYOB之类的软件上记记帐，月末自动出下报表。而大公司财务成本费用就比较复杂，涉 ...

我目前做的工作就是那个“助手” 什么都干 又感觉什么都没学到
想问LZ 是怎么跳到大公司做AP的 这是偶下一阶段的目标
谢谢

wangrui1210

原帖由 cicillx 于 2010-10-20 21:50 发表



bookkeeper的工作经验CPA能完全认可吗？

做到公司的月末报表，预算之类的才属于真正意义上的CPA工作经验？做一般的ACCOUNTS方面的经验就不能完全算呢？ ...

个人觉得 CPA MENTOR PROGRAM改革以后 如果严格的 一条条的认真抠 一般的工作经验很难完全满足了 关键看签字的时候 MENTOR肯不肯给签了
以前 如果做的比较专的话 有1个LEVEL 3就够 做的职位比较低的话 凑3个LEVEL 1 也够了
新的PROGRAM 感觉 不仅要面面俱到 还要做的比较深入

idontknow

我以前和你一样什么都做，又感觉什么都没学到，因为公司小不正规，先到一个大公司的作的temp ap,后来又跳到另外一个大公司做的perm ap，等到了大公司发现以前在小公司学的一些东西都是错的，但是现在总是坐ap又觉得技术单一，还是做aa好

原帖由 wangrui1210 于 2010-10-20 22:35 发表

我目前做的工作就是那个“助手” 什么都干 又感觉什么都没学到
想问LZ 是怎么跳到大公司做AP的 这是偶下一阶段的目标
谢谢

[ 本帖最后由 idontknow 于 2010-10-21 09:57 编辑 ]

diaoni

Hey ...I'm sort of in the process of doin the same thing..

I started off as a data entry officer in a project team for a top4 bank after graduating my accounting degree...since i dun come from a top school...my shortlisting opportunity is very limited...fken hell..    for 6 mths...

then got a chance to work in payroll for a large retailer ....for 6 mths..

then got a chance to work for a law firm as a bookkeeper ..luncky my boss knew i got some real shits ..so  iwas given chance to do cashflow forecasting for SME and some financial analysis....and others...

so now im packed wit  lots of system skills and industry experience...
now working for a bank as an assistant credit analyst covering SMEs sectors...... no prob moving into the full credit role soon... now aiming to get into finance as an analyst...i'll see how i go... mite go back asia and try to be a corp high flyer sooner rather than later....

lulucai

原帖由 diaoni 于 2010-10-29 14:36 发表
Hey ...I'm sort of in the process of doin the same thing..

I started off as a data entry officer in a project team for a top4 bank after graduating my accounting degree...since i dun come from a top  ...

how many yrs have u been working?
u move on so fast.......

orange0328

应该不难，主要是怎样表达出自己的经验和能力~

diaoni

Yes we can!


Bear in mind....it does not depend on ur title ..it's the work u do...
just need to get ur boss to sign ur exp.... or ur mentor can see see ur work....

I worked as an accounts clerk for a law firm...but given chance to work more than an accounts clerk.. like reporting tax n developing cashflows forecast models for clients for corp recovery or finance raising...but my title is still accounts clerk... damn...should have taken the opportunity to get a huge payrise before i go....damn ..regreting it..... i got more than a year PER exemption for 6 month payroll work and 1.5 year bookkeepin role.. i got less since all my previous mgers were not qualified...

diaoni

fark. just iv jus typed up some reply but lost it...damn

diaoni

hey i was gona give u a long long reply but lost it... so now im gona give u a really condense version.

I grad in Dec 06 from a shit uni....but not the worst... results crap too..only 60.3 average.
firs 8 mths spent doin casual work in a chi resto and Etihad Stadium.

first office job in July for a non profit org in city - casual bais - learnt some quickbooks and credit card recon skill.

then 6 mths Data Entry Officer - temp  contract in a big4 bank.

then 6mths payroll in a large retailer.

Then almost 2 yr in law firm full time perm - accounts clerk title but do much more thatn accounts clerk. I sud have asked for a proper title but didnt ...but the firm has been having CF criis on its own...so then needed to take care of myself ....i found another job... they were gona offer me 70K to stay but didnt take it...cos sick of gettin paid not on time...but i know they will successfully collect alot of settlement monies from debtors..but still...sick of it...

I wana work in a team wheere there are lots of ppl ..and some asians...so im after big name now..since working for small co is really hard to move into big...even with exp..

so now few months ago..gota job as an assistant credit analyst ...doin due diligence work for the bank in assessing whether or not to lend money to SMEs (business banking) also do preliminary analysis re the finance structure and securities structure and also their financials statements..

now planning to move into finance as an analyst....or planning to go back asia and try to work my way up as a corp high flyer sooner rather than later....

diaoni

Big company AA cannot do small company AA's job. Whilst small AA can do big AA's job easily just need system skill training.

Big co AA duno how to record and do intercompany trans and some offsetting transactions...on MYOB or QuickBOoks..

Small AA learn more...but Big AA learnt more too but rubbish... sth like how to do recon shits with SAP... lol

Big co AA is actally straight data entry ppl.... dunop why it;'s so hard to getinto...damn...i suppose all the horny man managers are looking for nice looking asian chicks ...fark...

idontknow

大公司有很多intercompany transactions 要做的，只是system不同罢了。

觉得sap的经验要好于myob

原帖由 diaoni 于 2010-10-29 15:28 发表
Big company AA cannot do small company AA's job. Whilst small AA can do big AA's job easily just need system skill training.

Big co AA duno how to record and do intercompany trans and some offsettin ...

diaoni

Yea...of course la...it's all depending on ur luck.....
I'm still looking to gain working experience in SAP, Oracle financials, Hyperion, JD Edwards, SAS, SPSS, Great Plains. ...but i dun wana pay to learn.......so damn exp... but if u got those workin exp...ur hired man...

am lookin to self learn VBA to a practical level...for future  role...

原来

the fun job would be to set up the reporting template and auto the process

wavesye

原帖由 diaoni 于 2010-10-29 21:58 发表
Yea...of course la...it's all depending on ur luck.....
I'm still looking to gain working experience in SAP, Oracle financials, Hyperion, JD Edwards, SAS, SPSS, Great Plains. ...but i dun wana pay to ...

You must not a mm as most girls don't like those software

kaka428

我跟LZ有点像，原本是在FIRM做AA ， 现在在算大的公司当AP，不过根本没有机会变AA，因为我们公司的AA要会讲韩文。。。不然没法沟通= =

所以打算年底辞职了，反正再呆也没机会。

BTW，昨天刚听说一个在这个大公司当AA的同事现在在联合国做FINANCE相关的，超猛

idontknow

请问你是在S开头的韩国跨国公司作ap吗？

原帖由 kaka428 于 2010-10-30 22:35 发表
我跟LZ有点像，原本是在FIRM做AA ， 现在在算大的公司当AP，不过根本没有机会变AA，因为我们公司的AA要会讲韩文。。。不然没法沟通= =

所以打算年底辞职了，反正再呆也没机会。

BTW，昨天刚听说一个在这个大公司当AA的同事现 ...

cicillx

原帖由 diaoni 于 2010-10-29 14:42 发表
Yes we can!


Bear in mind....it does not depend on ur title ..it's the work u do...
just need to get ur boss to sign ur exp.... or ur mentor can see see ur work....

I worked as an accounts clerk fo ...

我想问关于just need to get ur boss to sign ur exp.... or ur mentor can see see ur work...， 即便你的mentor愿意帮你签字，可是实际上你的工作经验确实没有达到CPA的规定，那么，即便让你拿到了CPA的资格，在你找下一份工作的时候，在你SHOW你的CPA给雇主的时候，人家问一下比较TECHNICAL的问题，你却因为没有practical experience打不上来，这个不是也会影响后面的找工作？

idontknow

同意，毕竟这行是靠技术吃饭不是靠嘴皮子，还是要有真本事

原帖由 cicillx 于 2010-10-31 13:30 发表


我想问关于just need to get ur boss to sign ur exp.... or ur mentor can see see ur work...， 即便你的mentor愿意帮你签字，可是实际上你的工作经验确实没有达到CPA的规定，那么，即便让你拿到了CPA的资格，在你找下一份 ...

nemo258

AP倒地做些什么事情啊？

asmilesnail

我是刚从小公司跳到中型公司的，不知道大家对大公司的定义是什么，我现在这个是在head office里做，所以很忙，确实有很多低级的事情，不过也有机会接触到很多新的事情，最主要的是有很多习惯需要自己慢慢适应，比如怎样organise事情，怎样遵循公司的规章制度，怎样和各级打交道，怎样遵守deadline, 这些方面和小公司不大一样。至于软件，专业方面的东西都不难得，在哪都是相似的不用担心。在小公司会养成一些坏习惯，我现在就在漫漫改。最简单一个事就是以前开会，老板总是很随性的，说11点，常常要11点半才来，大家也都懒散，你等我我等你，一点效率都没有。我来新公司，开始还是习惯性的对开会时间没太在意，觉得如果有事，晚个1，2分钟没事，后来发现大家都非常准时的，说几点就几点。

yingying.li001

dormimi 发表于 2010-10-20 08:43
我就是从小公司的AA转到大公司的AA，然后一年后成为大公司的Accountant。。。

这条路是可行的，LZ不要担心 ...

请问小公司做了多久跳的啊

reddotdot

只要钱多,在哪做不是一样,尤其是女孩子.结婚生孩子之后什么事业心都没了