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cangaru 发表于 2020-11-24 16:44
莫总作为在位领导人,不远万里去拜访别国新任领导人,确实是屈尊了,而且该国还是是近代唯一一个侵略澳洲的 ...

澳洲人民是站着的,但是运气差选了个跪着的总理

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让选票或政策说话吧。澳洲人民能抗,就对抗到底。

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莫里森是一名虔诚的福音派教徒,美国福音派领袖说要支持川普, 对于他来说就是上帝的指令。澳洲利益? 那是啥子?

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Hao@Mel 发表于 2020-11-24 17:02
感觉是澳洲被老奸巨猾的日本给忽悠了还帮忙数钱。

安培在美国大选之前主动下野,让位给自己的亲信,并且年 ...

安培解锁了当首相的密码, 一面保持和美国政治热度, 一面和中国保持经济热度, 手段还是不错的.

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别的不多说,也不要和日本越南比较,国情太不一样
就和新西兰比,大家都是五眼联盟的,和中国的关系为什么能处理好,即把钱赚了,价值观又没丢?

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感觉是澳洲被老奸巨猾的日本给忽悠了还帮忙数钱。

安培在美国大选之前主动下野,让位给自己的亲信,并且年 ...


你这个都可以做剧本了
安培是真的身体不好才退的,而rcep能够定下来,真的是迫于美国的压力,所以中日双方都做出了让步。
所以知道为什么大部分华人喜欢川总了吧?
反共的喜欢他怼TG;粉红喜欢他到处退群,而且美国优先不管盟友,给予了中国机会。
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这篇文章写的非常好。

为了美国搞中国,然后失去中国市场,又打着价值观的幌子去亲近其他国家。

问题是越南,印度这些国家,真的符合澳洲价值观吗?越南政府清正廉洁?澳洲关心过印度的女性权益,姓氏歧视吗?说到底是为了钱,那还不如就赚中国的钱。何必为了莫里森一个人,所有人一起走弯路。

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symeteor 发表于 2020-11-24 16:51
日本可不亲华,貌似日本人中反感中国的比例比澳洲还高。。。

日本不亲华,却有智慧摆顺日中关系

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littledoudou 发表于 2020-11-24 17:15
让选票或政策说话吧。澳洲人民能抗,就对抗到底。

这个说得好,既然是澳洲自己民众大部分选出来的,那么就代表大部分人都认可其施政了,所以有不满的话,口头骂一骂就算了,但还是就受着吧,到大部分民众都不满的时候,自然就会修正了。

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今天ABC上还有一篇文章,毛总在英国智库会议上呼吁中美缓解对抗,说澳洲本不想选边站,双方非要把澳洲逼到墙角。

可以想象英国,德国,法国笑而不语。

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从面相上看莫不是一个聪明人
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vch801 发表于 2020-11-24 17:24
今天ABC上还有一篇文章,毛总在英国智库会议上呼吁中美缓解对抗,说澳洲本不想选边站,双方非要把澳洲逼到 ...

看到了,笑死了,国内朋友只说了句精分
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zeter 发表于 2020-11-24 17:19
你这个都可以做剧本了
安培是真的身体不好才退的,而rcep能够定下来,真的是迫于美国的压力,所以中 ...

2020整个就是一出大戏,什么魔幻的都发生了。后人回看这段历史,肯定会说:这tmd的剧本是谁写的?:)

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看样子此帖不会火

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下面贴了:)

喜欢翻译里面的那句左右逢源:)

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日本都换首相了,对中态度也在转变中啊,日本民意可是拒绝习近平访日的哦
怎么老拿过去的外交情况和今年的外交情况做对比?世界都急速转弯了,能一样吗?
全篇过时之言

再一看,是十年前的驻中大使,哦呵呵,难怪
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vch801 发表于 2020-11-24 17:24
今天ABC上还有一篇文章,毛总在英国智库会议上呼吁中美缓解对抗,说澳洲本不想选边站,双方非要把澳洲逼到 ...

简直可以想象英法德看着scomo时候那种关怀智障的眼神。。。。

我一直认为scomo想借带头围堵提升澳村在国际政治舞台上的地位,但是这样除了中国不爽,英法德应该对澳洲也不爽,毕竟反华是高端玩家的事情,澳洲跳得比英法德还高这属于僭越了。

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The Prime Minister’s dash to Japan to meet the new Japanese Prime Minister – the first foreign leader to do so – should be welcomed.

It is unusual in terms of diplomatic protocol for an established leader to visit a newly appointed leader, not the other way around, unless it is the US for which normal protocol seldom applies.


Asia talks: the APEC virtual summit underway in Kuala Lumpur at the weekend. AP

Far from being seen as kow-towing to the Japanese, Morrison’s visit has however underscored how much the world has changed around Australia.

It is also a further example of how Australian foreign policy has started to notice this fact and the need for Australia to adopt more realist positions in foreign policy.

The embrace of Vietnam – a communist, one-party, authoritarian state with a deplorable human rights record – is another. These adjectives could, of course, be used to describe another major state in East Asia.

The defence arrangement (it is unclear what instrument exactly was signed) seems not to add much in substance to what has already been announced or is under way.

The thorny issue of capital punishment for ADF personnel if found guilty for crimes committed in Japan that carry the death penalty seems not have been resolved. Opposition to capital punishment remains an important Australian value. It will be interesting to see how the government manages balancing our values and interests in this particular case.

Still, what matters more is the symbolism and clearly China’s vitriolic response indicates that it has not been lost on Beijing. The East Asian region is now one of many moving parts, all set in motion by China’s ascendancy and America's turn inwards.

After years of being rejected by India from participating in the trilateral annual naval exercises, Malabar, Australia has now been let in, presumably as part of India’s strategic messaging to China following their mid-year clashes in Ladakh.

As a result, the Australian Navy finds itself exercising in the Bay of Bengal and the Arabian Sea, far removed from areas of strategic sensitivity in East Asia.

We have opted for strategic competition with China, at the cost of strategic cooperation where it is in our interests to do so.

Nonetheless, the Quad has now been militarised which will further add to Beijing’s sense of insecurity and support the hawks' assessment that Australia is bent on containment of China. The Prime Minister’s rush to Tokyo will be interpreted by Beijing as reinforcing this view.

This will most certainly crowd out any attention that the Treasurer’s conciliatory remarks towards China may have received from his speech in recent days acknowledging China’s success in managing the pandemic and returning to robust economic growth. As Australia looks to its own economic recovery, China’s will be of fundamental importance for the Treasurer.

Also the past week, we have also seen states in East Asia engaging and hedging with China.

The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) was signed finally after eight years of negotiations. It includes all the major countries of the region. India’s absence reinforces the minimal interests India has in East Asia and the converse, namely, that East Asia is the only security system in the region that matters.

Indicative of declining US engagement in the region, RCEP is the second major piece of regional architecture to be created without the US, following the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) in 2014.

The US had been a founding member of the TPP but withdrew after the election of President Donald Trump. It is not evident that a Biden administration will return to the TPP.

So the region continues to reshape itself to declining US engagement and China’s rising power.

When many pieces are moving, it is challenging for diplomacy and strategic missteps in timing and substance are an ever-present reality.

Just as the Prime Minster was leaving Japan, the Chinese Ambassador to Tokyo was sounding conciliatory on the fractious Senkaku/Diao Yu Dao Islands dispute and progress was announced on the Japan-China-South Korea free trade negotiations.

Tokyo and Beijing are busily recalibrating their relationship through further engagement ahead of the change in administration in Washington.

In contrast, Australia has made itself an outlier in its dealings with China. This is an inconvenient truth that no amount of feigned or even real indignation coming out of Canberra over China’s actions should be permitted to conceal.

Australia is most certainly not alone in having important and complex challenges to address with a rising and assertive China.

If we were, the current dire state of our relationship would be just something we have to live with, as senior ministers suggest.

The policy failure is that among all the many countries, both in our region and beyond, which are concerned about China’s behaviour, we have not been able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Protecting Australia’s interests involves not only hardening defences against an overreaching China, but also maintaining relations with the dominant power in the region.

We have opted for strategic competition with China at the cost of strategic co-operation where it is in our interests to do so.

In the region, Australia’s values and democratic institutions are not the only ones that sit at odds with China’s. New Zealand for one faces all of the challenges that Australia does, but still manages to maintain constructive diplomatic relations, including high-level visits during the period in which Australia has been frozen out.

But no country more than Japan has to balance deep historical animosities, ongoing territorial issues, contingent geography, and deep economic interdependence.

Yet Japan still maintains normal diplomatic relations and engagement, including the presence of a substantial contingent of its media in China. Xi Jinping was to have visited Japan in April this year until COVID intervened.

Some commentators, including in these pages, seem not to understand the difference between being alone and being an outlier.

Australia is definitely not alone but is certainly an outlier. It is to be hoped that Prime Minister Morrison used some of his time last week with Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga to seek guidance on how to manage its various interests with an assertive China and avoid the binary choice of sycophancy or hostility which is how Australia’s China policy is now framed.

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文章的作者你对得起澳洲的价值观吗

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澳洲政府的逻辑简单的很,对未来中美关系保持悲观态度,所以跟着美国的外交政策走

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elanora 发表于 2020-11-24 15:46
最怕是王炸被他捂死了。

估计老眼昏花,把别的牌看成了王。
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做局外人好

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作者有他的中文名字:芮捷锐

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可是,可是,他还有3年。。。

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cangaru 发表于 2020-11-24 16:44
莫总作为在位领导人,不远万里去拜访别国新任领导人,确实是屈尊了,而且该国还是是近代唯一一个侵略澳洲的 ...

什么侵略呀,轰炸呀,杀澳洲战俘呀,都不是事,阿伯特做总理的时候就说了日本是澳洲好朋友...., 记得他说这些引起了当年受害战俘家属的不满,还有澳洲幸存的太平洋战区慰安妇(荷兰裔澳洲人)家属的不满

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melon 发表于 2020-11-24 17:45
什么侵略呀,轰炸呀,杀澳洲战俘呀,都不是事,阿伯特做总理的时候就说了日本是澳洲好朋友...., 记得他说 ...

说得好啊!日本现在还占着澳洲一个城市,地名都从“乌卢姆噶”改成了“战胜澳洲”。
然后scomo去了,abc13新闻还说“scomo前往战胜澳洲市,出席第四届南方经济论坛”。也就是欺负澳洲人不懂日语吧。
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澳洲领导人缺乏远见和灵活度,只能向默多克集团妥协

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整天吹捧印度,难道印度的人权记录好?真是无语

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而事实上我们政策的失败之处在于,在我方地区及地区外的许多其他与中国有利益冲突的国家中,只有我们连简单的左右逢源都做不来。~~~~~中肯

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