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[其他] 发个帖子来谈谈stress leave,职场须知 [复制链接]

发表于 2015-4-12 14:29 |显示全部楼层
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andorians 发表于 2015-4-12 13:24
楼主不该用一个人的个别例子来涵盖所有的情况, 这里回帖的基本上都是有职业的多少也明白一些澳洲职场规则的 ...


你也不能用你所说的例子来涵盖我所说的情况。。。

我说的23楼的那种情况,很多的窗口服务的都有的,都有培训专门讲这个的。。。非常平常的常识。。。
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发表于 2015-4-12 15:10 |显示全部楼层
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江北 发表于 2015-4-12 13:06
我举个列子给你:

一个前台客服,碰到一个很无理有暴力倾向的客户,并被口头威胁,这个客服很害怕,开始 ...

这个肯定是可以的,大多数公司不会对剩下来的一天半天较真,所以一般都直接按正常工作处理了。

但是假设这个前台就此说自己有心理阴影,不敢回到工作岗位,那么她需要去见医生,提供医生证明,证明她在工作中受到威胁导致恐惧,压力,失眠等等。然后她可以要求HR给她申报work injury,这样就由保险公司付她工资,相当于paid stress leave,如果只是几天,一般保险公司也不会太过较真,但是如果时间较长,保险公司会让一个负责work rehabilitate 的consultant介入,帮助恢复,同时要求雇主提供其他suitable duty,其实是变相地逼她回去工作。

当然如果这位前台提供不出这样的医生证明或者不愿意走work comp,那么就只有用自己一年10天的sick leave,用完就是unpaid了。

这种申请work comp对员工将来是否有影响,我不确定。但是我们公司入职申请表里面确实有一项,就是问求职者是否申报过工伤。

发表于 2015-4-12 15:13 |显示全部楼层
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清咖一杯 发表于 2015-4-12 14:10
这个肯定是可以的,大多数公司不会对剩下来的一天半天较真,所以一般都直接按正常工作处理了。

但是假设 ...

我就是说的简单的例子。。。

复杂的是另外一会儿事儿了。。。。上面很多同学提到了很多方面的顾忌,大家权衡,自己考虑清楚。。。。

发表于 2015-4-12 15:21 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
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另外你买income protection insurance之类的保险的时候,有的也要你填表的,特别是收入比较高的职业。
如果你隐瞒不报,也会埋下隐患。

发表于 2015-4-12 23:33 |显示全部楼层
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发表于 2015-4-13 15:51 |显示全部楼层
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修STRESS LEAVE是一个很不确定性的方法,在应对bullying的时候,最简单明了的是根据公司的policy以及fairwork的流程走,而修stress leave应该放在最后的选项。不是很多人不知道,而是选修这个有可能更麻烦。

修stress leave顺利话就好,如果不顺利的话将会给你带来很多不必要的麻烦,甚至更深程度的争斗。

It is part of employer responsibilities to identify what might be causing the problems in the first place, rather than just permitting workers to go on 'stress leave'.  One issue with 'stress' leave is that it can often be difficult to prove whether the symptoms are genuine - requesting medical certification is a way of helping to reduce this doubt. Note that stress is not an actual medical condition - often a workers' compensation medical certificate will use terms such as anxiety or depression in order to enable the claim to pass through the workers' compensation system.

另外你的雇主会有无数个理由顺利将你炒掉

以下是一个严重的workplace bullying成功反日老板的例子,当然这个是很严重的,但是如果这姐们当时选修了stress leave就啥都没了。

In Trolan v WD Gelle Insurance and Finance Brokers (2014), an employee made a claim in negligence and sought damages for psychological injury against her former employer. The employee alleged that on numerous occasions, her boss, Mr Gelle, systematically sexually harassed, intimidated and bullied her. The employee stated that, on each occasion, she actively discouraged the behaviour.
Despite her complaints to another director, nothing was done to address the conduct. It continued unabated and became increasingly offensive to the employee, with the result that she developed a psychological illness.
What happened?
The conduct included Mr Gelle:
•        shouting at people in the office, at least several times per week;
•        positioning himself behind the employee and rubbing himself on her bottom and on the small of her back;
•        calling the employee into his work area, placing his hand under her shirt and grabbing her breast;
•        making gratuitous remarks to the employee about the dress she was wearing, and suggesting that she should wear dresses more often to show off her legs;
•        placing his hand up the back of the employee’s dress and squeezing her on the bottom while she was trying to enter the access code to the car park at the end of a working day;
•        approaching the employee from behind and placing a pencil between her buttocks; and
•        turning up at the employee’s house uninvited and seeking to obtain entry to her home to talk to her.
As a result, the employee took sick leave due to a psychological illness. While she was on leave, she was contacted by Mrs Gelle, who was another director and Mr Gelle’s wife. The employee informed Mrs Gelle of the reason for her sick leave. Mrs Gelle responded by saying that she would “sort it out”.
However, Mr Gelle’s conduct did not change. Three months later, the employee made a workers’ compensation claim and was assessed as having post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, anxiety and social withdrawal as a result of Mr Gelle’s conduct.
What did the Court find?
The Court determined that the employer had breached its duty to take reasonable steps to prevent harm to the employee by:
•        failing to provide the employee with a safe place of work;
•        failing to take reasonable steps to care for her psychological wellbeing; and
•        exposing her to continuing and repeated harassment.
The employer was found to have been negligent because it:
•        was notified of the harassment;
•        could reasonably foresee that this conduct was likely to be detrimental to the employee’s wellbeing; and
•        despite this, failed to take action.
The Court noted that the consequences of the conduct could have been avoided by facilitating counselling or mediation between the employee and the perpetrator.
Therefore, the employer was liable to pay the employee damages for her workplace injuries in the net sum of $733,723. This was made up of:
•        lost income ($285,000);
•        lost superannuation ($31,350);
•        future loss of earning capacity ($353,812);
•        future loss of superannuation ($49,710); and
•        tax paid on her weekly workers' compensation payments ($13,851).

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发表于 2015-4-13 16:50 |显示全部楼层
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亚雷特 发表于 2015-4-13 14:51
修STRESS LEAVE是一个很不确定性的方法,在应对bullying的时候,最简单明了的是根据公司的policy以及fairwo ...

感谢分享。。。。看起来非常专业了。。
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发表于 2015-4-13 18:45 |显示全部楼层
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江北 发表于 2015-4-13 13:50
感谢分享。。。。看起来非常专业了。。


其实这里最不确定的因素是因为这个stress leave不是法律,不像sick leave, annual leave等有明文规定,他更是一个随着公司体系和例子变动的一个东西。

你之前说的前台的例子,我个人看来更属于do you a favour的类型,也就是比如我今天老婆生病了,我和老板说明情况,他就放我走还PAY钱然后也不动我SICK LEAVE的例子。

而真的要进入stress leave是要文件,医疗证明等等,有时候老板又特意刁难真的就是很麻烦了。

当然也不是说不要申请,只是如果实在你的policy解决不了,你又不想找fairwork,而你的医生可以开出cerificate,那么选择这个是当然可以的。

其实论坛里有个很好的正能量例子,我是找不到了:

一个华人技术工人去仓库拿东西的时候遇到鬼佬特意刁难,最后据理力争,自己得到赔偿,然后让那个鬼佬滚蛋的一个超级正能量。。很多人估计都还记得。

我就是找不到了。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

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