工作六年来对会计求职的看法，欢迎讨论‏(updating)

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hj1985 发表于 2014-11-4 07:45
可能公司越小，AA就要懂得越多

是因为aa都是这些position做起来的
我们AA 都是 graduation program 2年出来的,这两年其中就要学payroll

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thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 07:57
你傻啊，我现在做commercial analyst， 做财务建模，budget分析，你还真以为做payroll死路一条。。。 ...

那你payroll说的各种好 为什么要转啊
岂不是 就验证了 我说的 用payroll 做过度还好 不要做长期职业目标

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thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 07:59
你以为做个会计就高大上，饭碗而已，还分什么三六九等都是一年1976hrs，谁的回报大，才是真的 ...

我没有觉得高大上 如果你看看我发的帖子 都是劝人做会计要三思 是又苦有累钱又少
如果真的要做 或者已经开始做的 我只是客观的分析了一下 没有带任何感情色彩  做aa 会比哪些 transactional 的职位要secure一些发展更灵活一些
所以不要把长期职业规划放在这样的职位上

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thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 08:07
自始至终没说一辈子做pr，只是说入行做pr好的很。不知道你哪只眼看到我说一辈子做。就算一辈子，女生安安 ...

你的口气就是女生做一辈子payroll 很好
所以我要提醒广大姐妹 payroll 作为长期规划的潜在威胁

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thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 08:09
aa，过度而已，还transactional。。。aa在你那里成高大上了。。。我四年前toyota的aa和一个payroll选了pa ...

我也没说过aa 是最终目标 这个只不过是比哪些职位更不容易被取代 如果想安心做同样职位一辈子 as 要比哪些更 secure 仅此而已

lolcakes

厉害。一会儿payroll是你的内行，过夜就变成了一个 commercial analyst lolol.

有一点我不明白，为什么你提到的 payroll 好像都是6万起步，也不要提以前是从什么升上来的。但一提到AA好像就是一辈子只能做AA似的？

lolcakes

hj1985 发表于 2014-11-4 07:47
嘻嘻，我也觉得公司大小不是决定外包的唯一因素，还有比如是否你们公司的payroll比较routine。

我之前的 ...

payroll 程序 routine 不 routine 实际上无所谓。因为决定外包不外包的那个人物不会对这种东西具有很多了解。

只要某一个payroll公司说的好听一点，某一个做这个决定的人物上了勾，到那时候payroll多给点钱已经没意义了。

所以在这个趋势说payroll是个稳定和轻松的工作善于长期发展不只不准确，还不负责任。

ayaya

Commercial不是很高的吗？6年才70k啊，好像有点低

zliybyc1

thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 10:06
总之，我所知道的做payroll的没加班的。收入没有低于六万的。

我所了解的财务，经常加班的，新东西也不 ...

为啥把AP AR算进accountant?

hj1985

ayaya 发表于 2014-11-4 08:00
Commercial不是很高的吗？6年才70k啊，好像有点低

I will consider it is fairly good if you can get 80k base in 6 year.

hj1985

zliybyc1 发表于 2014-11-4 09:14
为啥把AP AR算进accountant?

AR is not accounting related, but sometimes AA need to do some AR work such as billing and debtor reconciliation.

I did lots of AP work in my first job, it took me 2 yr to step into an AA role, so spending 3-4 yrs on a junior transactional role is a bit too long and i would say it is mostly due to lack of career planning.

hj1985

thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 09:23
我们公司刚找的payroll，不是manager，七年经验，base是八万六，还要加sal pavkaging，super。 ...

7 yr, $80k+ base sounds reasonable to me.

hj1985

thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 09:21
你错了，我工作了四年半，不止80k，我做payroll入职，半年以后就到七70k的package了

所以小瞧payroll的 ...

Nope, I'm saying for commercial accounting , it is fairly good to get $80k base in six years if you started from a junior transactional position. It is a reply to forum member-"ayaya" 's comment

I never underestiamted payroll though.....

novawsh

thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 09:58
我做了几年payroll，今年转到finance了，因为我会商业建模，Excel编程，商业智能，有cpa。

其实我入职半 ...

You might be a rare case but generally speaking skillsets of an AA are more transferrable to positions like FA/MA or Commercial/Business/Financial Analysts.

In some cases AA may get exposure such as financial reporting, budget, forecast, external/internal audit, tax, treasury and of coz, payroll, that equips them to advance to much more senior positions medium to long term. On the other hand a payroll manager may be specialised in things like rems, salary packaging, FBT, leaves, global talent mobility, tax equalisation/protection, payroll tax and etc but that can be too specialised and limit the scope of development.

Not to say payroll is a no-through-road but I personally think switching to HR (especially in remmuneration) would be a better bet. Of course if you (e.g. mum with kids) want to have a stable and better $$ career payroll is a great choice.

Just my 2c.

hj1985

lolcakes 发表于 2014-11-4 07:55
payroll 程序 routine 不 routine 实际上无所谓。因为决定外包不外包的那个人物不会对这种东西具有很多了 ...

"payroll 程序 routine 不 routine 实际上无所谓。因为决定外包不外包的那个人物不会对这种东西具有很多了解。"


I am afraid I don't agree with this.


Take my company as an example, we outsourced the operation staff payroll (around 200) to Talent 2, then Christ 21, and hired a payroll officer to liaise with both “internal and external stakeholders”. Because the payroll for operation staffs (incl. perm, P/T and casual) is relatively routine and straightforward.

For our temp workforce (we are a recruitment firm), we have around a thousand temp employees working on shifts every day, but we never plan to outsource it simply because the job is a complicated one with high volume, plus clients and temp staffs can be very demanding and keep throwing questions on you. This is why we feel more comfortable having our own team to solve issues and answering queries promptly. Another important factor is we have a  well developed in-house booking system managing all the timesheets, allowances and penalty hrs etc. Therefore, system wise, we have strong capability to handle thousands of shift s every week. We are also planning to launch our own payroll managed service product to our clients.

The HR was extensively involved in the outsourcing process and they had lots of to say when choosing external payroll company. So it does not work like "因为决定外包不外包的那个人物不会对这种东西具有很多了解"

payroll will always play an important part as Australia payroll is very complicated and we have a flexible workforce, it is just the advance of technologies gradually change the game rule about how it is played. Imagine if all firms outsource their payroll function one day, a payroll specialist can still work for those external payroll firms because they will start a massive hiring too. It would be too pessimistic to say payroll has no future, in my opinion, it has its own career potential, just the function will come down as a more specialised and centralised one.

Just my 2 cents

idontknow

Payroll 枯燥吗，记得以前有个mm发帖说自己做payroll,经常被人追问各种pay, 被埋怨，工作量大，后来坚持不值辞职l，是不是也要看不同公司的工作内容

911110000

看完ls的争论，感觉研究彩票走势 更靠谱

不用 加班，不用害怕外包，不用害怕学的东西过时，一旦中奖，相当于 MA/FA /payroll几年的工资，

911110000

thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 08:58
我做了几年payroll，今年转到finance了，因为我会商业建模，Excel编程，商业智能，有cpa。

其实我入职半 ...

我做了几年payroll，今年转到finance了，因为我会商业建模，Excel编程，商业智能，有cpa。


TX， 你在别的帖子里 各种说 CPA 是 鸡肋，没用，怎么这时候 有把 CPA 提出来 看做是 升职的一个因素了？

thundom

hj1985 发表于 2014-11-4 10:53
"payroll 程序 routine 不 routine 实际上无所谓。因为决定外包不外包的那个人物不会对这种东西具有很多 ...

200人的公司确实外包更好，因为不够一个人的工作量，如果你熟悉这个行业就知道了。

911110000

thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 10:51
只是加分而已，是决定性因素么？如果觉得一年几千块值得那就续呗

而且这也不算升职，就是换部门而已了 ...

你要是没有 CPA ，别的部门 会考虑么？

seek 上 基本 FA/MA 这类的 现在都要求CPA/CA 之类的，

qualified之后确实可能没啥，只是现在太多了，没有反倒是机会小些

thundom

911110000 发表于 2014-11-4 11:55
你要是没有 CPA ，别的部门 会考虑么？

seek 上 基本 FA/MA 这类的 现在都要求CPA/CA 之类的，

会的，我做了一套budget管理报表以前没人做过，我编的macro给财务做一个经常用到的报表从一个二十分钟报表变成一秒。


你考了cpa，这些就会了？实话说我四个d，一个c，一个p，一年半考完，成绩也不算特别差。但我觉得真的cpa不算什么难度太低，通过率太高。比起考过的cfa，难度差10倍。cfa level 1的内容就五本书1800页，还是闭卷。

911110000

thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 11:03
会的，我做了一套budget管理报表以前没人做过，我编的macro给财务做一个经常用到的报表从一个二十分钟报 ...

我刚CA qualified， 也没觉得咋地，都是考试

反正你已经转到别的部门了，你也不知道 人家到底 觉不觉得 你CPA 重要不重要。。。

whatever了，市场上 CPA/CA 太多了，要是你没有CPA，还真不知道 咋样吧。要不你把CPA 停掉，再找工作试试？

haohaoxiao

CPA qualified 了还要看qualified几年了，成绩如何。尼玛，今天早上面猎头就活生生被歧视了
老娘好不容易拿到cpa了还有那么多条件，还让不让人活啊

lolcakes

thundom 发表于 2014-11-4 07:57
你傻啊，我现在做commercial analyst， 做财务建模，budget分析，你还真以为做payroll死路一条。。。 ...

从 payroll function 跳到 commercial analyst?

不知道真的假的。不是很现实。

通过中介，payroll想做analyst类的活？不把你笑出去就不错了。

通过内部，那还有可能。但绝对不是正常的事。

就算是真的，用这种情况来证明payroll前途有多好也不现实。

zliybyc1

lolcakes 发表于 2014-11-4 12:53
从 payroll function 跳到 commercial analyst?

不知道真的假的。不是很现实。

真是应该真的 没必要说假
只是别把个例当普遍了

lolcakes

hj1985 发表于 2014-11-4 10:53
"payroll 程序 routine 不 routine 实际上无所谓。因为决定外包不外包的那个人物不会对这种东西具有很多 ...

then you've missed the point.

from the perspective of the senior stakeholders who decides whether or not to outsource, you assume that they either know how complicated the process is, when they most likely know little to nothing and at the end of the day probably doesn't really care to know about it anyway.

when payroll companies put forward their tantalising proposals which can apparently resolve all existing payroll related issues, while at the same time resulting in significant savings. it's not really surprising that some people elect to take up those offers, especially when tough times call for drastic cost saving measures, whether from a business unit perspective or mandate from head office or parent company.

as such, payroll these days will have to compete with accountants (that's assuming they're not already accountants in the first place) who are keen to include payroll related duties as part of their skill set to distinguish themselves amongst the current oversupply of accountants, they now also have to compete with rent seeking middlemen payroll companies.

yes, it's important to have as many skill sets as possible. payroll is no exception, but to assume specialising in payroll opens more doors down the road compared to other more traditional streams of accounting is entirely facetious, especially if it's based on one isolated instance which we have no way of verifying either way.

thundom

lolcakes 发表于 2014-11-4 12:53
从 payroll function 跳到 commercial analyst?

不知道真的假的。不是很现实。

你不知道的东西多了，还一通理论分析，笑死

hwan8692

不知道能不能问个问题，有没有人能给在家带孩子四年的妈妈一些建议？？生孩子前两年鬼佬公司bookkeeping经验

深蓝泡泡

hwan8692 发表于 2014-11-4 15:18
不知道能不能问个问题，有没有人能给在家带孩子四年的妈妈一些建议？？生孩子前两年鬼佬公司bookkeeping经 ...

重点是你想做什么？

hwan8692

深蓝泡泡 发表于 2014-11-4 15:31
重点是你想做什么？

还是做会计啊，只要工资不是太低，entry level的也可以接受啊