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计划将HSC数学作为必修课程 Plan to force year 12 high school students to study maths [复制链接]

发表于 2014-1-13 12:42 |显示全部楼层
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虽然跟论坛上的各种牛娃们关系不大, 但是还是分享一下这个新闻吧:



MATHS would become compulsory for Year 12 students under a radical proposal to address a statewide skills shortage.

Week-long work experience programs would also be replaced with a longer term mentoring scheme while TAFE would be overhauled to represent a "US-style college" system to make it more attractive to students.

The Sunday Telegraph can reveal Education Minister Adrian Piccoli will consider the recommendation, which is contained in a State parliamentary Economic Development committee report being drafted and scheduled to be tabled in State parliament next month.

The report follows an inquiry into the State's skills shortage held late last year, which examined the issues facing industry shortages in areas such as engineering, hospitality and catering and in local government.

It also comes after the release of the major international Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report last month which revealed Australia had slipped from 13th place to 17th place in maths ability among 15 year-olds in three years.

In NSW, students are only required to study maths until Year 10, with the subject having been made optional in high school senior years in 2001.

Industry representatives who took part in the inquiry claimed the decision had led to shortages in areas such as engineering and maths teaching while also producing high school graduates who were unable to perform maths task at work.

The ACT government is examining making both maths and English compulsory subjects in Years 11 and 12 as part of a curriculum review to take place this year.

Mr Piccoli told The Sunday Telegraph that he will be looking at the recommendation when the report was tabled in parliament.

"Maths ability, even basic maths ability, is something that is being raised by employers and universities as being a real weakness," he said.

"There's a movement towards prescribing more maths, even reasonably basic maths at school.

"I think most people later in life who didn't do maths regret it. In the modern world, you can't do anything without at least a basic knowledge of maths."

Maths advocate Nalini Joshi, who is Chair of Applied Mathematics at Sydney University, said maths should be made compulsory "at least" in Year 11.

"In centuries past we still had brick layers who could count three by four metres - nowadays we don't anymore.

"A lot of people, for example those who want to go into nursing, don't think they need maths, but when they come to university they get a shock when they find out they need to know statistics, be able to deliver drugs in proportion to weight and take into account risk factors.

"Maths should at least be made compulsory in Year 11."

Fellow university Research Methodology/Educational Assessment and Evaluation senior lecturer Rachel Wilson said Australia was one of the few developed nations where maths was not mandatory for high school graduation.

She blamed a "vicious cycle" of teachers with a "maths-phobia" shunning the teaching of the subject, resulting in an overall decline in numeracy skills in society.

"As a nation, how can we value numeracy, and worry over international performance, if we are sending messages to students and teachers that maths is an optional element of education?"

However, AMSI director Geoff Prince warned making maths compulsory would not work without addressing the severe shortage of qualified maths teachers.

"One third of secondary maths classes are not taught by qualified maths teachers - they are qualified teachers, but they didn't do enough maths at uni to be a maths teacher and are teaching out of their field," Mr Prince said.

"There are some schools in western Sydney that would not have one maths teacher graduate. In those circumstances, how smart is it to make maths compulsory, and do we want to be dragging students kicking and screaming to maths class?"

In a submission to the inquiry, Institute of Public Works Engineering Australia NSW Division executive officer John Roydhouse blamed the lack of students in Years 10-12 studying subjects suitable for engineering studies on a large dropout rate at university.

"Engineers are globally in short supply, with Australian higher education providers producing only around half of the graduates needed to fill domestic demand," he said.

Committee chair, Liberal MP David Elliott, who admitted not having studied maths at senior high school, said it was employers themselves that were calling for maths be made compulsory.

"I didn't study maths in year 11 or 12, but it's what industry groups are telling me that needs to happen if we are to build skilled workforce and address some of our shortages."

The recommendations to rebrand TAFE as a more "US-style college" was designed make it more attractive to students.

The rebranding would also include making universities work more closely with TAFE to allow students to transfer between the two.

Sydney University medical student Clara Choi quit maths in Year 10 because she didn't like it.

However, the North Sydney Girls High graduate is now a fan after taking it up as part of a university bridging course.

University of Western Sydney policial science and law student Jessica Winning, 21, also dumped 3-unit maths in Year 11 for arts as an "easier" way to boost her final HSC mark.

Now, the Castle Hill High School graduate is contemplating a bridging course to pursue a research-based Masters degree.

"I was good at maths, but decided the marks I could get in art would be easier so I dropped out," she said.



原文链接: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au ... 0cx12-1226798956856

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发表于 2014-1-13 12:46 |显示全部楼层
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昨天电视新闻提到了,希望很快就能实行。我也认为数学应该象英文一样,是必考的,当然不是每个人都3U,4U,但起码应该General Maths。

发表于 2014-1-13 12:58 |显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 limit-2010 于 2014-1-13 13:00 编辑

我觉得强迫不想学数学的人读数学, 即使规定必须考HSC的数学, 也不会对提高澳洲的数学能力有太多帮助。

现在虽然到10年级都是必须学数学,但是不想学的,基本上都是不怎么学的。
到了 10年级, 数学水平跟一个普通的7年级的差不多的人也大有人在。
你再强制他学一年, 两年 甚至10年他还会是7年级的水平。

再说有很多职业根本就不需要那么多数学, 能学好10年级的内容就足够了。

关键就是现在只到10年级必修, 都学不好。
与其说是学不好, 不如说是教不好。
很多老师的水平的确不敢恭维, 这不是老师的问题, 是文化和制度的问题。

个人认为提高教师的水平,吸引优秀的教师 和 保护syllabus的优越性才是问题的根本。

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limit-2010 发表于 2014-1-13 13:58
我觉得强迫不想学数学的人读数学, 即使规定必须考HSC的数学, 也不会对提高澳洲的数学能力有太多帮助。

...

赞同,目前的7-10年级是强制科目就可以了,这是澳洲教育制度很好的设计,不要改。

发表于 2014-1-13 13:06 |显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 limit-2010 于 2014-1-13 13:15 编辑

中国有那么句话, “你的数学是体育老师教的吗?”

但是在澳洲, 还真有体育老师教的。 我的高中, 就有一个体育老师教数学, 巧的是他还算是比较好的数学老师, 而且教4u班。

很多情况下, 一个老师都要教好几科, 这个人绝对不可能都有这些学科的qualification, 但是这就是现状。

发表于 2014-1-13 13:08 |显示全部楼层
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jasmineh 发表于 2014-1-13 12:46
昨天电视新闻提到了,希望很快就能实行。我也认为数学应该象英文一样,是必考的,当然不是每个人都3U,4U, ...


如果只问我 yes 或 no, 我的选择是no。  

我也想选yes, 但是前提是有足够的老师, 足够水平的老师能够教好这么多人的数学。
(现状是现在的师资都应付不了现在 选了数学的一部分人)
而不是简单粗暴的强迫压根儿不想学数学的人 ,不用学数学的人, 和 学不会的人, 去数学课堂中多坐2年。
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发表于 2014-1-13 13:26 |显示全部楼层
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limit-2010 发表于 2014-1-13 13:08
如果只问我 yes 或 no, 我的选择是no。  

我也想选yes, 但是前提是有足够的老师, 足够水平的老师能够 ...

这是chicken and egg的问题,现在老师是不够,但不够的原因是否是因为11,12年级不用学的原因,因而越来越少人学数学?

英文(延伸至任何官方语言)是一切学习的基础,就算不是必修的,为了能够学习其他科目,英文还是要达到理解学习内容的程度,我倒认为HSC不用必考。

发表于 2014-1-13 13:38 |显示全部楼层
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jasmineh 发表于 2014-1-13 13:26
这是chicken and egg的问题,现在老师是不够,但不够的原因是否是因为11,12年级不用学的原因,因而越来 ...

关键的不是数量, 是质量

我10年级的学校, 算是普通公校里排名较好的, 我的同学说他12年级的时候的数学老师, 去问他问题10次有9次都不会, 就说:“今天不是合适的时间, 哪天再来问我吧。”

我11,12年级的学校, 不算是最好的, 但也还算不错。
以前的数学head teacher非常有水平(澳洲曾经有一段时期教师的入职标准很高,可能他就是那个时期的老师),但是他退休了(现在很多这样的老师都到了退休的年龄, 现在读教育专业的,只需要60多-80多ATAR就可以)。
新转来的head teacher , 一道非常普通的题, 在黑板上做了半堂课还没做出来,底下的学生都不耐烦直接自己做题了。

很大程度上, 这就是澳洲的学生为什么认为数学“难”,  讨厌数学的原因之一。

发表于 2014-1-13 13:42 |显示全部楼层
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limit-2010 发表于 2014-1-13 13:38
关键的不是数量, 是质量

我10年级的学校, 算是普通公校里排名较好的, 我的同学说他12年级的时候的数 ...

那这个更加证明补习是王道?

发表于 2014-1-13 13:57 |显示全部楼层
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limit-2010 发表于 2014-1-13 14:38
关键的不是数量, 是质量

我10年级的学校, 算是普通公校里排名较好的, 我的同学说他12年级的时候的数 ...

有同感。

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jasmineh 发表于 2014-1-13 13:42
那这个更加证明补习是王道?

我后来的学校, 我知道很多人有去补习

但是还是有人不去补习还学得很好的

补习要看具体情况和个人意见
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limit-2010 发表于 2014-1-13 14:38
关键的不是数量, 是质量

我10年级的学校, 算是普通公校里排名较好的, 我的同学说他12年级的时候的数 ...

对学生问的问题不能马上解答,看来这数学老师水平有限的很。找老师补习吧,能开补习班的老师都是对任何syllabus范围内的问题能当场解决的。
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数学是中国人的强项,也是我们移民子女在澳洲安身立命的绝技,没有之一

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简单,改大纲,进度放慢,把现在10年级的拖到12年级来教,。结果澳洲数学水平更差。

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