当老员工碰到新员工。。。。。。

carolyn

由于公司目前人手不够，就让一个毕业才一年的小孩负责一个项目，他自然还是属于被training的阶段了。可是项目的联络，递交文件等等都还是由他负责，包括其他专业的东西。我算比较senior的了，但是我做的东西也是由他来交给客户的。可是每次我交给他的文档，他就会让公司的一个干了4，50年的老工程经理来看看，美其名曰是他想学习，可是弄得我心里总是有些别扭。更何况，我和他也是不同的专业，大家帮我出出主意，我该怎么对待这个新来的好事之徒呢？

jasonliu234

lz的文档

是不想让新来的学习

还是 不想让老工程师看？

还是另有原因？

carolyn

其实我觉得文档递交之前检查是对的，可是应该由本人拿去给老的看看，而不该由这个什么都不懂得人拿去啊！

carolyn

反正就是心里觉得有点那个，但是又说不上来是什么？

jasonliu234

晕啊

sasori

下次你自己转交给那个老工程师，如果非得有人review，不然你直接告诉他，通常情况下我们不需要这种peer review unless noticed otherwise

sunpower

lz什么公司啊，怎么这种小朋友来负责啊，是不是因为他英语比较好呢？》

carolyn

I just told that young guy this afternoon, he worked on a wrong way. If he has questions on my datasheet, he should talk to me first instead of anyone else. If we are unable to work out a solution, then we go to the third person. I don't need you always pass someone else message to me. Nobody in this company ever gave someone's document to another person check without noticing the person who did it.
   And I also told him there are many things you do not understand but not only this.
   Then his cheek became into red and said he accept what I said.

in2theshine

May be he just didn't fully understand your work so asked his leader (another senior engineer) how to proceed in his part. As you said you and him in different area so if he asks you most likely he would still be unsure how to proceed in his area.

He might not mean to be offensive.

carolyn

He is definitely checking my document with another senior. Maybe he wanted to learn new things, however if he is checking my data, he should first tell me his different opinion. What he said is "we have review your data, and we think it should be ......."  
  That's why I told him above.

in2theshine

So that depends on he's checking "your data" due to diff opinion or he's just checking "his part". Since he's new, he may not know how to do with his part based your data so he asked his senior like "got the data from carolyn, where to start with our part, bla bla...

if this is the case, quite normal, since you wouldn't instruct him how to proceed with his part even he asked you.

carolyn

原帖由 in2theshine 于 2011-10-19 17:34 发表
So that depends on he's checking "your data" due to diff opinion or he's just checking "his part". Since he's new, he may not know how to do with his part based your data so he asked his senior like " ...

   Actually, he made marks on the place in my document which is totally irrelevant to his part. And he told me "we think it should be bla,bla, bla......". What would you think if someone marked a lot on your document, no matter they are correct or incorrect and show it to someone else pretending to make some enquiries?
  That is why I was angry with him and told him straight away he worked in a wrong sequence.

tina-go

这个刚来的小孩目的是什么呢？想学习的方法很多，他为什么要offend一个senior呢？你有没有先了解一下，为什么要给另一个senior看？楼主说给那个小孩的话蛮强势的。

in2theshine

原帖由 carolyn 于 2011-10-20 12:13 发表


   Actually, he made marks on the place in my document which is totally irrelevant to his part. And he told me "we think it should be bla,bla, bla......". What would you think if someone marked a lo ...

ok, if this is the case i would be upset too. I would say you are too young to teach me in my area.

carolyn

原帖由 tina-go 于 2011-10-20 12:38 发表
这个刚来的小孩目的是什么呢？想学习的方法很多，他为什么要offend一个senior呢？你有没有先了解一下，为什么要给另一个senior看？楼主说给那个小孩的话蛮强势的。

I have beared with him long time with many times, so he did same again and again. I have to tell him because I don't want to feel bad myself.

carolyn

原帖由 in2theshine 于 2011-10-20 12:44 发表


ok, if this is the case i would be upset too. I would say you are too young to teach me in my area.

Hehe, if I said to him he is too young to teach me, he will be more upset.

pinkdreamer

原来使小孩子不会做人。

pinkdreamer

不过我以前公司的同事有一个是不管我怎么虚心请教都不肯教我，还质问我的。其实级别相同的新老员工确实比较尴尬。

lp1003

跟上级汇报下情况，如果都无所谓就算了

zengwong

孩子还小，慢慢他会懂的

yourock

他说""we think it should be"的时候你和他讨论的深入一些，问他一些问题之类，如果他能说得头头是道吗？

后太史生

如果存在抢饭碗的可能，那确实相当尴尬啊，教也不是，不教也不是。

richsea

让一个新毕业的人做PM，感觉另有隐情的吧

ms.summer

如果办公室里一直没有这种情况，而这个小男生做了，另外一个老资格的manager也帮他了，而没有指出他这样是不对的，那还是有点隐情的...

难道这个manager不晓得这样做会冒犯别人吗？有没有可能这个新人是这个manager介绍来的?

还有，他的事务看起来只是打杂，可是他既然能做到这个份上，说明他还是有心的，想要向上，只是为人处事技巧不够。

carolyn

The manager did know the young guy did not tell me before asking for his review.

夜游神

心态要放好楼主，既然人家是项目负责人，对你指手画脚也在情理之中
不爽，你就和老板商量，让你当头主导项目，然后你对别人指手画脚~~~

那叫leadership~~~不管是否有意~~
和先来后到没有什么关系，和你技术层次高低也没有关系~~~

不管是谁领队，如果他不能将自己的意见强加给大家，那领队就没有任何意义~~每个团队里的高级人员，都有自己的看法just like everyone has an a~s~s hole一样~~~
他统一不了这个view,领个毛啊~~~虽然很多时候那些view从很多角度来看，就是一砣屎~~~

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