手上的一个case大家讨论下

stevenhu

why does the GST hves to be adjusted?

achollis

一般在处理capital asset的时候是有肯可能需要做adjustment的，是为了避免个人利用生意买东西claim gst然后再转给个人的情况吧。
不过我刚才又看了一下，going concern是不需要的啦
。going concern
的条件之一就是买家是有注册gst的，也就是就算不是going concerngst的结果也是一样的。

lee2267

原帖由 xinxin119 于 2011-11-27 00:06 发表
since i was constantly ignored ..i will say your boss may be right .

Agree.. I also will say your  boss could be right. just change family trust set up date back to Sep 2010 and trust claim GST directly..

For TAX perspective,  there is no difference that you claim GST on Trust or Partnership.

Can not say your are wrong that you set up partnership and transfer to trust.

After Talked to our principal. our principal denied my concern. we can not simply say that there is no difference that you claim GST on Trust or Partnership and then claim GST on Trust directly..

principal instruct these steps.

1. the contract is under son and father name. also they are only the source of beneficiaries of the trust. but the invoice will indicate
to sell to son and father.-(you can say default partnership), if sell to trust, Invoice must indicate Trust ABN and Trust Name. ATO is very
seriously looking at Invoice.

2. set up partnership in Sep 2010, regist GST and ABN. claim GST on partnership.  

3. On 31 Dec 2010 Close partnership, lodged Dec BAS 2010 and prepare FINAL TAX RETURN for partnership, profit and loss will distribute to individuals -father and son.

4. make an Agreement and Transfer Partnership Balance sheet to Trust by using GOING CONCERN method.

5. Client should talked to accountant before they purchase business so as they can avoid the complicated situations. in this case, client at least need to pay $2500--$4000 for doing Partnership(1 registration, 2 BAS, 1 tax return.1 agreement, 1 going concern rollover). and GST claimed back is only 10k

[ 本帖最后由 lee2267 于 2011-12-6 13:55 编辑 ]

stevenhu

Damn it, We did that for free. We did not charge our client 2500-4000 dollars.

achollis

这也太大方了，你们不用timesheet记录时间吗？你老板也不想收钱吗？

matthew.ma

原帖由 stevenhu 于 2011-12-6 17:04 发表
Damn it, We did that for free. We did not charge our client 2500-4000 dollars.

you are kidding

stevenhu

FOR THE PARTNERSHIP, WE DID NOT CHARGE ANY MONEY.
FOR THE TRUST RETURN, WE CHARGE $1500.
MY TIMESHEET WAS WRITTEN DOWN BY THIS CASE. DAMN IT.
MY BOSS DID NOT WANT TO CHARGE FOR THE PARTNERSHIP

stevenhu

AS SAME AS ABOVE

xinxin119

to use a resulting trust is viable in this case but for  commercial reason (2.5k-40k) may be suggested otherwise ...

lee2267

原帖由 xinxin119 于 2011-12-6 18 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              2011-12-6 18      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:12 发表
to use a resulting trust is viable in this case but for  commercial reason (2.5k-40k) may be suggested otherwise ...

没办法。偶在鬼老的firm。。我的rate是180/hr。。如果我做这个case。。这么多的paper work 。是的要2500-4000啊。。如果在华人firm 。。估计也就1000-2000的package。。

achollis

这还是中小firm，到大firm还不一定会收多少呢，人家一小时就三四百块钱。

xinxin119

usually in local aussie firm, there are written off or efficiency rate in hourly rate. $180 does not mean it is fully chargeable. in a junior level (assume so lol ), the efficient rate should be around 70%-60% which means your real billable charge should range between $100 - $120.

In Chinese firm as I know, some of them have no efficiency rate which means 100% chargeable, therefore they may actually charge more than local aussie's $180. Of course , if you are in second tier or top tier then it is a different story.  

Again, who said so Chinese is cheaper than Aussie ? I saw plenty of shitty aussie accounting work. Superb image built but horrible works. If you can do a better work, and have good client base, of course you can charge more than average. So don't look down your own race. The problem in every Chinese involved industry is that the most participants are not fully committed, they are much more financially oriented not ambition driven.

[ 本帖最后由 xinxin119 于 2011-12-6 23:45 编辑 ]

lee2267

原帖由 xinxin119 于 2011-12-6 23:33 发表
usually in local aussie firm, there are written off or efficiency rate in hourly rate. $180 does not mean it is fully chargeable. in a junior level (assume so lol ), the efficient rate should be aroun ...

Yes.. totally Agree.. in our firm, the previous Aussie staff working paper is so shit...

stevenhu

AGREE, THE AUSSIE GUY'S WORKING PAPER IS SO SHIT, AND IT IS QUITE HARD TO READ HIS HANDWRITING. FOR SMALL CASES, THERE IS NO WORKING PAPER.

achollis

这里我并不完全同意，虽然我也觉得作为年轻一代的会计，我们华人要比鬼佬们认真严谨的多，而且效率也要高不少。这是我们这一代的优势，但是作为会计我觉得经验是更重要的因素，虽然有很多知识却不知道何时如何使用。尤其是很多澳洲的行业华人涉足的很少，我们华人会计师了解的也不多。而这是鬼佬尤其是鬼佬的老会计们的优势。
鬼佬肯定不必我们华人优秀，但是并不代表我们已经比他们都做得好了，还是有很多东西要学习。
以后同行的兄弟姐们多来交流一下，毕竟一个人能涉足的领域是有限的。

lee2267

毕竟一个人能涉足的领域是有限的--total agree... that's why we need to join CPA Monthly Group Discussion to learn from others.. HAHA ^_^

糊里糊涂

By the way, why can't we set up a CPA Discussion Group, and claim for CPD hours?

achollis

大家都是在那里的，有机会一起出来交流经验啊？

lee2267

原帖由 achollis 于 2011-12-8 22:38 发表
大家都是在那里的，有机会一起出来交流经验啊？

大家都是在那里的，有机会一起出来交流经验啊？ I want to ask same question..wanna dinner together be4  X mas...

ME- CITY MELBOURNE FIRM ,住在东南区

[ 本帖最后由 lee2267 于 2011-12-9 13:09 编辑 ]

achollis

kew， 住在东南区

糊里糊涂

Hampton and City

住东南区

dormimi

你们全都住东南区啊。。