Android 的一票好消息和一个坏消息

go2home

刚开幕的谷歌开发者大会2011上，google发布了一大票消息，主要和android有关。
1. Android3.1发布 摩托XOOM今日起可升级‎
2. 下一代Android系统Ice Cream Sandwich
3. 谷歌发布云音乐服务Google Music 测试阶段免费‎
4. 推出在线电影租赁服务。Android客户端 2.2以上系统，两周左右上市，3.1会自带Movies App。
5. Google TV也能使用Android Market
6. Google发布Chrome 12 Beta版公开测试‎

坏消息：微软收购Skype，android上的Skype估计不会升级了。另找替代品吧。

www.engadget.com

1000

不知道Google这次发布的云音乐，在线电影，Google TV能有几个能活下去的。

go2home

你也不用这么酸吧？毕竟google音乐在国内早就开放了很久。这次发布肯定会侵蚀Apple的市场，毕竟Free还是很吸引人的。

原帖由 1000 于 2011-5-11 10:42 发表
不知道Google这次发布的云音乐，在线电影，Google TV能有几个能活下去的。

lingyang

免费音乐没有版权问题了?google音乐也没有百度, QQ音乐给力

天天sky

希望GOOGLE早点进军PC,像干掉WM一样干掉WINDOWS

yuba

原帖由 go2home 于 2011-5-11 10:38 发表
坏消息：微软收购Skype，android上的Skype估计不会升级了。另找替代品吧。

Skype在微软会相对独立的运营

Skype的价值在于跨平台，除非微软想玩死Skype，否则不会放弃Skype对Mac，Linux，Android，BlackBerry，Symbian，iOS和某些电视的支持

1000

原帖由 go2home 于 2011-5-11 10:44 发表
你也不用这么酸吧？毕竟google音乐在国内早就开放了很久。这次发布肯定会侵蚀Apple的市场，毕竟Free还是很吸引人的。

仔细看看Google music,和Apple根本两码事。Google做的是云音乐存储。
Apple目前还没有这项业务。为何说会侵蚀Apple的市场？

Google向来推出的服务就比较多，做红火的很多，当然做死的也不少，就阐述了一个事实。
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iami

原帖由 1000 于 2011-5-11 11:42 AM 发表

仔细看看Google music,和Apple根本两码事。Google做的是云音乐存储。
Apple目前还没有这项业务。为何说会侵蚀Apple的市场？

Google向来推出的服务就比较多，做红火的很多，当然做死的也不少，就阐述了一个事实。
，

做生意的话有两种竞争。替代竞争更值得老板们警惕

garysu

A bit of reading about the issues google music facing at the moment,



Google’s Digital Music Service Falls Short of Ambition
By BEN SISARIO
Published: May 10, 2011

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Google had big plans for its new digital music service. It wanted an online store to compete with iTunes and Amazon, as well as a “smart locker” storage system in which the company would stream music to its millions of users from a gigantic central jukebox.
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A Google manager, Paul Joyce, helped introduce the service, called Music Beta, on Tuesday.
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But the service that the company unveiled on Tuesday, called Music Beta by Google, fell short of those ambitions. There is no store, the streaming function comes with restrictions, and, like Amazon’s Cloud Drive service announced in March, using it requires a long upload process.

What came between Google and its ambitions was an obstacle familiar to many digital music start-ups: despite months of negotiations, the company could not obtain licenses from the major record companies.

In interviews, Google executives put the blame squarely on the labels. “Generally there were demands on the business side that we think were unreasonable and don’t enable us to have a sustainable, scalable music business,” said Zahavah Levine, director of content partnerships for Google’s Android unit and the lead negotiator with the labels.

Music Beta was introduced on Tuesday at Google I/O, a developers’ conference in San Francisco.

Neither Google nor the labels would specify which points they stumbled over. But their disagreement follows a long pattern of friction in which the labels demand high prices for licenses or withhold the licenses altogether. The stubbornness of the labels has earned them a particular caricature in Silicon Valley: the bridge troll, demanding payment for passage.

“They tend to not look at these things as opportunities, but as someone taking advantage of their business,” said Fred Goldring, a former top music lawyer who invests in media and technology companies. “Until they figure out how they’re going to deal new technology on their terms, they don’t make a move. And when they finally do, it’s usually too late.”

The labels believe they are protecting their content and maximizing income for themselves and their artists. But as technology companies and industry analysts see it, the labels’ conservatism in striking deals that involve their licenses hinders technological development and ultimately harms the marketplace by reducing consumer choice.

“The history of the digital music marketplace is littered with the ramifications of record label conservatism,” said Mark Mulligan, an analyst at Forrester Research.

Music Beta, which Google is offering by invitation only while in its trial state, will allow users to store 20,000 songs at no charge and stream them to Android phones, tablets and other devices. As with Amazon’s Cloud Drive, the company does not need special licenses as long as it stores each user’s files separately and then streams them back only to that user, intellectual property lawyers say.

But to sell music, or to operate a master jukebox of every available song and then matching users’ collections to it — widely viewed as the most efficient form of cloud music — Google would need licenses from the labels. Google’s plans were described by many record label executives who have been in discussions with them but spoke on condition of anonymity because their talks were private.

Google and Amazon have not been the only companies negotiating with the labels for cloud music services. Apple is preparing its own, and Spotify, a popular European subscription service, has been locked in talks for two years over American distribution rights. In most of these cases the disagreements are over lump upfront payments or concerns that a service that charges users too little could cannibalize other sales and devalue music overall, executives say.

Ted Cohen, a consultant and former major-label executive, said that when both sides of such negotiations have bad faith, customers suffer. “Neither side is playing fair with the other,” he said. “They go into the negotiations believing that the other side of dishonorable. It’s rare that both sides see that the common goal is to create a consumer experience that people value and are willing to pay for. Things don’t come to market because of this.”

But whether Google and Amazon have abandoned their bigger plans or were just scaling them back temporarily was unclear. In an interview, Ms. Levine denied that the abrupt introduction of Music Beta was a negotiating tactic. But music executives said that since Amazon introduced Cloud Drive — with almost no advance notice to the labels — it has been in discussions over licenses, and these executives, speaking anonymously, said they expected Google to eventually return to the negotiating table.

A more robust digital music service would attract more users to Google. But Mr. Goldring said that it was the labels that really needed to strike a deal.

“At the end of the day they’re clearly hurting themselves,” he said, “because they’re leaving money on the table.”

Claire Cain Miller contributed reporting.

iami

原帖由 garysu 于 2011-5-11 12:44 PM 发表
A bit of reading about the issues google music facing at the moment,



Google’s Digital Music Service Falls Short of Ambition
By BEN SISARIO
Published: May 10, 2011

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garysu

原帖由 iami 于 2011-5-11 12:53 发表

com'on man ... 翻译挺辛苦的，就说其中一点吧，没有广大唱片公司在版权上的大力支持，cloud music还成不了，毕竟唱片公司占有着那些资源

iami

原帖由 garysu 于 2011-5-11 12:58 PM 发表

com'on man ... 翻译挺辛苦的，就说其中一点吧，没有广大唱片公司在版权上的大力支持，cloud music还成不了，毕竟唱片公司占有着那些资源

这里面提到唱片公司是什么态度了吗？

garysu

原帖由 iami 于 2011-5-11 13:03 发表


这里面提到唱片公司是什么态度了吗？

com'on man ... 一开始就提到了，唱片公司不太有热情，怕吃亏

zn7726

看来google要抢占先机先在"云"上咬个牙印. 不太懂, 如果音乐存储在"云"里, 怎么听歌呀? 实时3G网络传?

garysu

原帖由 zn7726 于 2011-5-11 13:10 发表
看来google要抢占先机先在"云"上咬个牙印. 不太懂, 如果音乐存储在"云"里, 怎么听歌呀? 实时3G网络传?

stream

我记得因为版权的关系，通常是不会允许下载后进行copy操作什么的，不过没用过这个，不敢肯定

而且一个用户只能stream自己upload的歌曲。假如你有歌曲，想要用这服务听，那得请你先都upload上去。

go2home

google music app已经在Market上了，不过澳洲好像还下载不了：
https://market.android.com/detai ... &utm_content=f3

我觉得这个是Google涉足在线音乐市场的第一步，先做好云端音乐存储，然后开放在线音乐市场。这样当购买音乐后不用下载，直接就进入自己的云端文件夹。同理在线电影市场。用户购买后就可直接Stream欣赏音乐、电影，省去等待下载的过程。

1000

原帖由 iami 于 2011-5-11 13:03 发表


这里面提到唱片公司是什么态度了吗？

没有一个良好有效的防盗版机制，唱片公司是不会支持的。
唱片公司不会用自己的资源，帮别人赚钱。

zn7726

原帖由 garysu 于 2011-5-11 13:19 发表

stream

我记得因为版权的关系，通常是不会允许下载后进行copy操作什么的，不过没用过这个，不敢肯定

而且一个用户只能stream自己upload的歌曲。假如你有歌曲，想要用这服务听，那得请你先都upload上去。

万一到了没有3G信号的地方, 就没mp3听了? 比如M5那个隧道要走至少5分钟吧
另外流量是相当的大呀, 对于喜欢听歌的, 一天几百M是小意思呀.

1000

原帖由 zn7726 于 2011-5-11 13:33 发表


万一到了没有3G信号的地方, 就没mp3听了? 比如M5那个隧道要走至少5分钟吧
另外流量是相当的大呀, 对于喜欢听歌的, 一天几百M是小意思呀.

cached.
"Not online? No problem. The songs you've recently played will automatically be available offline. You can also select the specific albums, artists and playlists you want to have available when you're not connected." from google

watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/v/ZrNhKcxBbZo&feature=player_embedded

Google music的一个好处，几个朋友可以一起买音乐，弄一个音乐库，几个人share...

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go2home

这个不错，要不足迹弄个Account，收个会员费，音乐共享，哈哈。

原帖由 1000 于 2011-5-11 13:40 发表

cached.
"Not online? No problem. The songs you've recently played will automatically be available offline. You can also select the specific albums, artists and playlists you want to have available wh ...

garysu

现在的beta还没有sharing功能，因为还没有和唱片公司谈妥

garysu

原帖由 go2home 于 2011-5-11 14:01 发表
这个不错，要不足迹弄个Account，收个会员费，音乐共享，哈哈。

sharing其实是不是几个人只能轮流着听？

zn7726

原帖由 1000 于 2011-5-11 13:40 发表

cached.
"Not online? No problem. The songs you've recently played will automatically be available offline. You can also select the specific albums, artists and playlists you want to have available wh ...

嗯, 理解了. 跟传统习惯不太一样, 歌曲库在云里, 每个客户端可以更新和下载云里的库.
如果空间足够, 用wifi把云里的东西都下载到手机/电脑里, 就可以传统方式访问了.
这个东西还是不错的, 可以有!

bulaohu

唱片产业的末日也不远了，各种类似Google Music的服务出现之后，用户和歌手之间可以开始直接interact，不再需要一整套的中间人。目前这个音乐产业也确实到了腐朽的地步，成天靠着压榨原创歌手、用法律手段威胁恐吓用户，强迫软硬件制造商加入一堆DRM的垃圾来过日子，叫他们吸血鬼我觉得不算过分

bulaohu

Music in the cloud还有个优势就是single isntance storage，你的album里的ABBA跟别人的ABBA其实只是同一个copy，这样可以大大降低存储费用，对用户来说就是价格更便宜

iami

原帖由 zn7726 于 2011-5-11 01:33 PM 发表


万一到了没有3G信号的地方, 就没mp3听了? 比如M5那个隧道要走至少5分钟吧
另外流量是相当的大呀, 对于喜欢听歌的, 一天几百M是小意思呀.

其实大概2，3个月前，smh上有一片文章报道，数据传播的成本非常低廉，但是carriers 不愿意降价。为什么呢，因为一旦这个数据传播价格降下来，用户就能用手机上的skype或者类似的软件打电话。电信公司就赚不到钱了。虽然长期趋势这个价格是在慢慢下降中，但是电信公司没有找到新的剥削我们的好办法前，不要指望数据流量的价格能便宜到哪里去

fnever

不会的，