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[NSW] We'd all miss out if selective schools were dismantled [复制链接]

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发表于 2018-1-15 12:29 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
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We'd all miss out if selective schools were dismantled

Grace Leung is an infectious diseases physician.

In the past few days, critics have painted a dark picture of selective schools: elitist children becoming depressed while simultaneously inflicting damage on their comprehensive school peers by leaving them behind. Reference is made to immigrants, lumping selective schools into an issue of race – that selective schools are harbouring an excessive number of them (with the xenophobic inference that we don't like immigrants to gather in numbers) and that these evil parents enslave their children into tuition in order to get them into these schools.

I went to the selective Sydney Girls High School. I grew up in a socially disadvantaged background, and travelled for an hour-and-a-half each way, every day, to get to Surry Hills and back. I sat the exam, got in, took a while to settle in and make friends, had my ups and downs, but I never attributed any of the negative experiences to the school itself. I received a phenomenal education, surrounded by girls who wanted to learn, who were not afraid to speak up because they would not be shot down for being bright, or for having an opinion. I never feared being teased for being a nerd, or wanting to do well.

Encouraged by my chemistry teacher, Elizabeth Davis, who I saw as a mentor, I got into medicine. Because of the way the HSC is scored, dragging scores up if your school did well (and vice versa), I would never have gotten the mark I needed to get into medicine if I had stayed at my local comprehensive. If I was not given the leg up through selective school, I would not be a doctor today.

While in Oxford for a fellowship, I understood the value of this opportunity when I saw how little social mobility existed in Britain – a country that had largely abolished selective schooling in the 1970s. There was a notable lack of medical students from poor families, because only privileged private school kids got into medicine at Oxford. I understood this again in Africa, when I met exceptionally intelligent patients who could only find work on the streets or the fields, and wondered what they could have achieved for themselves and their country, if they had been given the chance for a decent education.

Is that what we want? Do we want to make opportunities only available to those whose parents can pay for it? Do we want to take away opportunities for children because of a fear that competition might harm their mental health? Is it easier to blame selective schools for the problems in comprehensive schools, rather than to actually invest in ideas and resources to make local schools better?

Imagine that within a school there is a fantastic swimmer. He has great potential, clearly faster than everyone else, could maybe even make it all the way to the Olympics. Is it wrong to "tutor" that child by putting her into swim coaching, or does that cause division? Is it wrong to recognise his talent and offer him an opportunity to develop that, or should we keep him with the others in the hope that keeping them together will make everyone else swim better? Swimming ability is not contagious, that much is obvious, but somehow the popular opinion seems to be that keeping smart children with other children will lift everyone's game. The reality is that smart children have to hide their potential to fit in, not get teased, and they miss out on the opportunity to fully develop what they can do.

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Like competitive swimming, selective schools may not fit everyone. Children who are struggling in that environment should be identified and supported, but it does not stand to reason that selective schools should be dismantled because some do not like it there. It would be akin to coming to the conclusion that private school scholarships should be abolished because certain children may feel less wealthy than the others. It takes away an enormous and rare opportunity for children who want better education, who are hungry for learning, to develop their potential and see what they are capable of. We all miss out if options and opportunities are taken away.

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富人去到贫民窟也是很难适应的,但这不等于允许 贫富差别越来越大,总要努力去缩小差别的

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冬迹之樱 发表于 2018-1-15 13:06
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富人去到贫民窟也是很难适应的,但这不等于允许 贫富差别越来越大,总要努力去缩小差别 ...

我觉得这篇文章是在讨论关闭SELECTIVE SCHOOL是否是缩小差别的合理手段。是关掉SELECTIVE SCHOOL,还是更好的投资普通公校来水涨船高。不过,NSW还有多少钱能投资公校里?

我看SMH那篇文章后面的一百多条评论很有意思,几个年纪大的读者评论说,原来NSW在SELECTIVE SCHOOL实施之前,公校是有STREMING的,把所有的班级按成绩高低排成A,B,C,D... 还是要把孩子按成绩分开。但是后面又有好几个评论说在那些公校被嘲笑,只能把自己的学习成绩降低来FIT IN。

不过,有这么多东亚人和印度人的孩子在NSW,只要还有SCHOOL RANKING,到时候会变成好学校周围房价上升吧。

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几位精英毕业的亚裔出来发声支持精英...
比不过就要修改规则,这种事情发生过很多次了,希望亚裔力量和声音都越来越大吧

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很多亚裔也跟风响应,对精英踩踩踩
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拨给Selective School更多的Fund了吗?有没有数据可以验证一下拨给Selective School, Local Public School和 Private School的钱到底差多少?即使没有Selective School, 家长们也是努力争取把孩子送私校或排名较高的公校Cherrybrook, Kilara, cheltham,努力得促进了了当地房价的良性增长。
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wphhyz 发表于 2018-1-15 17:49
拨给Selective School更多的Fund了吗?有没有数据可以验证一下拨给Selective School, Local Public School ...

拨款给精英中学,按人均计算 比普通中学和差的中学要少。师资更是没有区别。
唯一的区别:好学生有个去处 可以安静读书

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liu88 发表于 2018-1-15 18:09
拨款给精英中学,按人均计算 比普通中学和差的中学要少。师资更是没有区别。
唯一的区别:好学生有个去处 ...

看来因为有人想努力读书刺激到了某些人的敏感神经侵犯了某些人的利益了。和不患寡而患不均差不多一个意思,最好在澳洲也均贫富一下,取消私立学校私立医院,有钱人穷人大家都上公立学校公立医院。

发表于 2018-1-16 00:33 |显示全部楼层
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liu88 发表于 2018-1-15 18:09
拨款给精英中学,按人均计算 比普通中学和差的中学要少。师资更是没有区别。
唯一的区别:好学生有个去处 ...

如果这个好去处“师资没区别”于其他学校,只能提供一个可以安静读书的环境。那么从目前情况来看,有些孩子3年就开始上补习班,失去了许多从玩中学习的时间和机会。进入 Selective 学校,一个单一民族占绝大部分的环境,且不是又失去了多元化的社会生存技能的学习锻练机会。那么,对一个人一生来说,书本上的知识又有多少是用得上的,损失可不小啊。

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发表于 2018-1-17 21:32 来自手机 |显示全部楼层
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排名好的学校从学前班或者一年级开始补习的现象更加严重了!OC和精英带给了家长和孩子太多的压力!
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geoff 发表于 2018-1-16 00:33
如果这个好去处“师资没区别”于其他学校,只能提供一个可以安静读书的环境。那么从目前情况来看,有些孩 ...

怎么办呢?私校的费用不低,selective high school拼个半死,又是单一民族在竞赛,出社会怎么和其他民族的孩子相处?

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