smh 又爆了一张开幕式上电脑死机的照片

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rogerk

原帖由 bulaohu 于 2008-8-14 15:58 发表


If a software tries to perform operations like divide by zero or trying to access memory that it's not supposed to access, it triggers the kernel to halt the system immediately and start doing a memory dump if configured so. At the same time, it displays a white on blue screen with useful debugging information. That's the (in)famous BSOD. The STOP 0X*********(p1, p2, p3, p4) is the most important piece of information you should try to write down. They'll normally give you a clue about what happened.

纯技术讨论，对于布老虎的发言有一点补充的地方：

如果是应用程序进行了非法操作，一般会引发General Protection Fault. 这个fault是会被windows合理处理的，这就是大家会看到比如跳出一个对话框来说 这个程序访问了非法地址，要马上关闭。然后这个应用程序就会被强行关闭，所有资源内存会被释放，这时候windows还是能继续运行的。

BSoD只会发生在Kernel Driver或者是Windows Kernel产生了不可恢复的错误的时候, 这时，windows系统没有任何办法处理和恢复这个错误了，所以只能显示一个蓝屏，上面给出那个模块，那段程序出现了什么错误。所以BSoD一般发生在驱动程序和硬件不兼容或者硬件故障的时候。假如硬件返回了一个驱动程序根本就认为不可能出现的结果，这时候驱动程序只能认为硬件坏了，然后无法继续，然后就BSoD了。。。

jfding

本人认为是xp的原因可能性较大。
应用程序出现bug，如非法访问内存地址，或硬件，会弹出一个对话框。
而这个蓝屏大部分情况是xp和硬件打交道时出现的

黑山老妖

按照VIP给的图片看的确是 STOP 0x。。。Error message。

rogerk

原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2008-8-14 16:10 发表


It also partially comes down to how security is implemented. Also kernel could just deny access and through up a meaningful error message.
However let's not go into this. We could be arguing for  ...

The BSoD only happens when Windows has no idea on how to handle the error in kernal mode and it would be risk if continue running. All the other problems Windows could handle have been handled well. That's why we only see BSoD rarely. (Comparing to the complexcity of Windows and the types of hardware it have to support, it is really "rarely happens" )

黑山老妖

XP is okay. back in 9x days it happens a lot. I don't think many ppl complain about windows XP giving BSoD.

rogerk

原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2008-8-14 15:55 发表
存技术上来说，有很多种可能性。
system tester可以给出n多个scenario。
我能想到的有：
1. Windows memory leak
2. File corruption
3. Faulty memory
有些东西可以测试n多遍，但是murphy's law决定了它会等到 ...

BTW:我一直以为老妖是干财务的。。怎么看着又像是干IT的？

莫非是通吃型的？

黑山老妖

原帖由 rogerk 于 14/8/2008 16:29 发表


BTW:我一直以为老妖是干财务的。。怎么看着又像是干IT的？

莫非是通吃型的？

我不像是干IT的吗？

rogerk

原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2008-8-14 16:30 发表

我不像是干IT的吗？

这个。。。难道你发表的不都是财务文章吗？难道你真的是干IT的？

黑山老妖

原帖由 rogerk 于 14/8/2008 16:32 发表
这个。。。难道你发表的不都是财务文章吗？难道你真的是干IT的？

太失败了。。。呜呜呜

VIP

原帖由 rogerk 于 2008-8-14 16:32 发表


这个。。。难道你发表的不都是财务文章吗？难道你真的是干IT的？

不奇怪,他还骗我们说他自己是超级版主呐!

bulaohu

就是，还骗我说他会妖术，会变金元宝

sbs

黑版，咱问你一句中吗？干豆腐版是不是管理员？

sbs

原帖由 bulaohu 于 2008-8-14 16:39 发表
就是，还骗我说他会妖术，会变金元宝

你信了吗？

黑山老妖

原帖由 sbs 于 14/8/2008 16:39 发表
黑版，咱问你一句中吗？干豆腐版是不是管理员？

Why do you want to know?

rogerk

原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2008-8-14 16:28 发表
XP is okay. back in 9x days it happens a lot. I don't think many ppl complain about windows XP giving BSoD.

Windows 95， 98 and Windows Me actually based on Windows 95 kernel, which is not as robust as what Windows NT is. It is using cooperative multitasking, that means every application running on it has to be cooperative in order the OS could do the task switching. The device driver mode also has much difference with what Windows NT used.

Windows XP is envolved from Windows NT 4, which has a much stronger and robuster kernel system, including  preemptive multitask, securer and faster file system(NTFS) and  more protection between OS and application memory acccess. It is designed as server kernel in Windows NT4 and the design goal is to keep running as long as possible and handle the application error as gracefully as possible. Windows XP inherited Windows NT kernel and enhanced its UI and support more hardwares and convert Windows NT into a desktop OS.

[ 本帖最后由 rogerk 于 2008-8-14 16:47 编辑 ]

sbs

原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2008-8-14 16:42 发表

Why do you want to know?

那个爆火的贴主说的，咱半信半疑。谢谢指点。

大饼

原帖由 rogerk 于 2008-8-14 16:18 发表
纯技术讨论，对于布老虎的发言有一点补充的地方：
如果是应用程序进行了非法操作，一般会引发General Protection Fault. 这个fault是会被windows合理处理的，这就是大家会看到比如跳出一个对话框来说 这个程 ...

很专业啊

遥想当年我同事是做windows 驱动的，调试个usb的驱动程序，xp蓝屏、死机不计其数。
btw那个usb设备端的协议是我写的

黑山老妖

原帖由 rogerk 于 14/8/2008 16:45 发表


Windows 95， 98 and Windows Me actually based on Windows 95 kernel, which is not as robust as what Windows NT is. It is using cooperative multitasking, that means every application running on it h ...

yes, yes, I have read that all before. All I wanted to say was this:
In the win 9x/me/nt days BSoD occurred too frequently and the cryptic error message has pi$$ed a lot users off. That's why BSoD, and windows to a lesser extent, has such a bad reputation. But since the days of windows 2k/XP the frequency of users getting BSoD has reduced dramatically. So it's not such a problem any more. But the stigma is still there with regard to BSoD.

Personally I think windows XP is a good product and very successful one too. I use it everyday and it's very stable.

rogerk

原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2008-8-14 17:28 发表


yes, yes, I have read that all before. All I wanted to say was this:
In the win 9x/me/nt days BSoD occurred too frequently and the cryptic error message has pi$$ed a lot users off. That's why BSo ...

哈哈。。你都知道那就权当科普贴了吧。。

不过这样看起来，你到貌似真是干IT的。。不知道是干哪一行的？

jinxu_0

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黑山老妖

原帖由 rogerk 于 14/8/2008 17:34 发表


哈哈。。你都知道那就权当科普贴了吧。。

不过这样看起来，你到貌似真是干IT的。。不知道是干哪一行的？

Sysadmin，oracle DBA etc etc. Jack of all trades.