想跳槽到中大型企业里做 AA，听听前辈们的看法和建议 ！

tinarainbow2008

在中小会计事务所工作2年，commerical accounting 1年, 现在想跳槽到中大型企业里做 AA。

投了半月简历，1个面试，感觉竞争挺大的，所以想着接受个AA的培训先。 请各位前辈给些意见

这几天在网站上看到 Ecare 会计 AA 培训，想听听有没有已经参与其中的学员，吐槽下你们的心得和看法？ 你们推荐这个课程吗？

谢谢 ！

xwang5

在事务所干过就没有必要去了 给菜鸟还是有帮助的

rm.lh

直接fa了

KKei

corporate accounting 1年. 这一年你具体做了什么?

flora885

没必要

消毒

没必要吧

tinarainbow2008

谢谢大家的反馈，在足迹上看到一些面试和找工经验谈。我想 需要在面试上提高技巧 :)

tinarainbow2008

KKei 发表于 2014-6-24 21:23
corporate accounting 1年. 这一年你具体做了什么?

Accounts all rounder 包括 ap, ar

KKei

你那叫commercial accounting. transactional level accounting.或者company accounting.

corporate accounting指集团会计.合并报表之类. 也叫group accounting.

亚雷特

现在申请大型企业有个很蛋疼的东西就是最好要会ERP比如SAP, ORACLE之类的软件。

ctal

AA supposes to assist the accountant/senior. So if your supervisor is good then you would be lucky. I remember when I was a AA, my manager was very nice that gave me some opportunities to learn new things, not just do the simple daily transactions. 1 year later I became an A, even though my CPA mentor program was not fully completed yet.

Oracle or SAP experience definitely is a plus if applying position in big companies. However, it is not compulsory if you could convince the interviewers that you were a quick learner.

KKei

ctal 发表于 2014-6-25 12:14
AA supposes to assist the accountant/senior. So if your supervisor is good then you would be lucky.  ...

you don't even have a chance to get interview stage without exp of SAP/Oracle for a lot of big companies.

HRs will exclude you from the short list just becasue you do not meet one of "desirable" requirement.

ctal

In recent job market, I agree it would be really hard to get into interview if you cannot match the "desirable" requirement. However, it doesn't mean that you have to give up to try some position which you are really interested.

If a role requires decent system (Oracle/SAP) skills which you don't have, that means the company wants the candidate who could hit the ground running. Even you could get into the role, it would be hard for you to  perform well.

Some managers believe that the system skills could be developed but not the business acumen.

qqyang

很多大中型企业的AA职位都要外包或者已经外包到印度去，楼主三思。

tinarainbow2008

ctal 发表于 2014-6-25 16:07
In recent job market, I agree it would be really hard to get into interview if you cannot match the  ...

Thanks for your opinion, I think lots of company make AA harder if dont have experience on SAP or ERP.

Which means I need to convince interviewer that I am a quick learner, at the same time, learn one of the software.

Or do you recommend to start with AP/AR in medium to large company first so that can master their system or software, then seek opportunity for AA ?

tinarainbow2008

qqyang 发表于 2014-6-25 16:11
很多大中型企业的AA职位都要外包或者已经外包到印度去，楼主三思。

I only heard a few whole finance/accounting departments have been outsourcing to some Asian countries.

However, not AA role alone has been sent out.

tinarainbow2008

亚雷特 发表于 2014-6-25 10:41
现在申请大型企业有个很蛋疼的东西就是最好要会ERP比如SAP, ORACLE之类的软件。

...

yeah, i think that is why nowadays few accounting training services have been offered.

tinarainbow2008

KKei 发表于 2014-6-25 15:01
you don't even have a chance to get interview stage without exp of SAP/Oracle for a lot of big com ...

Thanks for revealing the fact.

Do you have any tips to stand out before the interview stage please ?

亚雷特

tinarainbow2008 发表于 2014-6-25 16:41
yeah, i think that is why nowadays few accounting training services have been offered.

SAP TRAINING在澳洲要5000刀培训一个财务方面的内容。

非常贵。淘宝有卖虚拟机和书。那么如果中国和澳洲的code是一样的话几百块人民币自己在家自学估计可以学出点概念，但是就算有机会上岗后估计还是有一堆东西要学的。。。

大部分进大公司的会计都是在graduate program，那时候进去公司是提供SAP/ORACLE的培训的，因为你以这个水平进去的肯定是不会的，所以人家肯培训你。但是到了社会招聘就不一样了。人家要你进来就会，你如果毕业后在小公司做想跳去大的机会太难了。。

但是楼主说的中型公司就不一定了，因为大型ERP系统的安装比较费钱，夹在中间的中层公司很多没钱去装这玩意，也不想去装，于是就出现了MYOB+ XXX别的软件的结合体。。我去面试的时候遇到过几个这样的公司。

luoluoyehua

我就以前小公司没有sap经验，刚跳到一个大些的公司，就培训我sap啊。所以要求说desirable你也投就是了，面试才是最重要的，软件不是最大问题的。个人能力soft skills才重要。虽然现在学sap也挺纠结的

亚雷特

luoluoyehua 发表于 2014-6-25 19:35
我就以前小公司没有sap经验，刚跳到一个大些的公司，就培训我sap啊。所以要求说desirable你也投就是了，面 ...

请教下你是SEEK找的么。。我在SEEK丢了好几周，每周感觉PERTH能投简历的工作就那么几十个。AP/AR啥的我都懒得看。就找AA相同级别的。。。大公司拿不到面试。中小公司拿到过几个。要么OFFER低的离谱，要么人不鸟我。

不知道是不是我CPA没拿到的问题。。。还是因为我放master的学历过高了？还是因为我master学的employment law相关的专业去玩会计，结果让人看的就不想要这种烦人的家伙。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

KKei

亚雷特 发表于 2014-6-26 10:31
请教下你是SEEK找的么。。我在SEEK丢了好几周，每周感觉PERTH能投简历的工作就那么几十个。AP/AR啥的我都 ...

1.楼上是女的. 老板是两个男的. 是个entry level role.
2.楼上的工作是contract role, view to permanent. 大公司如果招permanent, 基本要120% match. 无论accounting, software技能, 更要同等lv 公司的工作经验 以及 行业match. 最后比的你是否和经理投缘.如果有两个一样的,就要比exp时间了.
3.楼上运气比你好,而且在NSW/VIC

hairbei

KKei 发表于 2014-6-26 13:18
1.楼上是女的. 老板是两个男的. 是个entry level role.
2.楼上的工作是contract role, view to permanent ...

他俩都在perth

ChenX

没必要吧

luoluoyehua

KKei 发表于 2014-6-26 13:18
1.楼上是女的. 老板是两个男的. 是个entry level role.
2.楼上的工作是contract role, view to permanent ...

爱马太激动了！你太懂我了！！
纠正几点：我是entry level的aa，辅助ma做琐事的，目前还不知month end干啥；对是三个月fixed term的，感觉好像prob的感觉，但也看了不一定之后就留我；大公司是要match exp的，像之前offer看好我有mining或construc的industry经验；btw我在perth啊，ls那位兄弟也在，perth还是好找些maybe。。

luoluoyehua

亚雷特 发表于 2014-6-26 10:31
请教下你是SEEK找的么。。我在SEEK丢了好几周，每周感觉PERTH能投简历的工作就那么几十个。AP/AR啥的我都 ...

我每天投3，4个当时，3周4个面试大概。然后找到了。要看运气，简历过了，那看对眼聊得开最重要。cpa不重要，master也不重要。继续投，有信心就行！

zliybyc1

亚雷特 发表于 2014-6-26 10:31
请教下你是SEEK找的么。。我在SEEK丢了好几周，每周感觉PERTH能投简历的工作就那么几十个。AP/AR啥的我都 ...

想想自己有什么特别的优势 比如相比鬼佬会讲中文。
我当初跳槽就是强调自己passion in China trades的，业务多一些在公司也八面玲珑些，光光做财务实在有些无聊。
你可以多强调自己有employment law的knowledge，看看怎么能帮到潜在雇主，这样才不会浪费自己的长处。

ctal

根据JD来扬长避短吧，技能没有用不着的，只有用得不适当的。

tinarainbow2008

这段时间手头上事情比较多些，没去看看job market的水深浅
下周开始好好投简历，准备面试，大家预祝我好运吧

tinarainbow2008

大家有在读 CPA 吗？
吐槽下CPA心得， 读 CPA对升职或是跳槽帮助大吗？