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>>澳洲会计是太多还是太少了？<<
最近工作效率委员会在做调查以便了解会计就业市场的供求关系
一边是雇主和联邦工作部反映现在会计严重供大于求，一面是CA／CPA和学校认为现在澳洲还是很缺会计。
这样一来其他人都搞不懂了到底会计是太多还是太少。
Sydney Morning Herald的记者写了专栏报答这一问题，并希望各位了解会计市场的人士各抒己见
坛里在做会计的或者在积极寻找会计工作的同学不妨把自己会计找工的经历故事或者会计市场竞争状况的感受写一写，发给Sydney Morning Herald的记者
记者的联系方式在文章最后
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Edmund Tadros Email： ed.tadros @ fairfaxmedia.com.au
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也请各位跟贴说说 现在是太多还是太少会计了?
Does Australia have too many accountants?
Business
February 12, 2014
Edmund Tadros and Agnes King
Source: AFR
It used to be one of the safest career choices. But while Australians are deserting the accounting profession, an avalanche of foreign accounting students has hit our universities, prompting a fight between the government and big firms about how many accountants we actually need.
The number of Australians studying accounting has fallen 20 per cent since 2001, with foreigners now vastly outnumbering local graduates.
The number of international graduates finishing undergraduate accounting degrees skyrocketed by 500 per cent between 2001 and 2012.
Indeed by 2012, there was just one local graduate for every 2.5 international graduates, The Australian Financial Review’s analysis of university course data shows.
The lack of interest by local students in accounting comes as the federal government and the peak accounting bodies argue over how hard it is for accountants to get a job.
The Department of Employment says there is no shortage of accountants in Australia and has called for accounting to be taken off the Skilled Occupation List for migrants.
Big accounting firms report little difficulty in filling positions but also say they are selecting candidates with broader experience in psychology, engineering, technology and economics.
“A shortage of accountants is not something we have experienced,” said PwC’s human capital managing partner, Debra Eckersley.
“It’s not hard [to recruit] in the current market,” said Pitcher Partners HR director Elizabeth Nunez. “Large organisations are not putting on the volume of graduates since the financial crisis, so we can afford to be more selective.”
In contrast, the peak accounting bodies say there is a shortage of accountants especially in “regional, rural and remote areas”.
Being able to parlay a university course into citizenship and a career in Australia is one of the main selling points of local accounting courses.
“The DOE’s submission, with a focus on the immediate term, is the sole voice calling for accountants to be removed from the Skilled Occupation List,” a CPA Australia spokesman said.
In the past five years, around 40,000 migrants have entered the country through the accounting skilled stream, dwarfing the numbers entering with other types of priority skills.
During the same time, accounting graduates have found it harder to get a job. Data from Graduate Careers Australia shows 80 per cent of domestic accounting graduates were working full-time four months after finishing their course in 2012, compared to 93 per cent in 2001. This is still higher than the employment rate of all bachelor-degree graduates.
Caution advised
Accounting has already been flagged by the Australian Workforce and Productivity Agency, which develops annual advice on the skilled list for the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, as an occupation now considered a “borderline” inclusion on the list. The agency is doing a special investigation in the supply and demand for accounting skills.
University of NSW head of accounting Professor Peter Roebuck advocates caution. He said while “it is wrong to promote [accounting] to overseas students with local job prospects not particularly strong, this assumes that overseas students come here for the prime purpose of getting permanent residency”.
Many Asian students study in Australia to improve their job prospects back in Asia, Prof Roebuck said.
Firms have no interest in having accounting struck off the list and prefer to hire locals as it is cheaper and lower risk.
Grant Thornton head of HR Kim Schmidt said the firm “is confident that we will be able to get our graduates from local sources”.
But PwC’s Ms Eckersley says “the more sources which help us attract the best talent, the better”.
Ms Nunez worries supply will tighten up again if business confidence lifts and companies start putting on additional resources.
CPA Australia and the Institute of Chartered Accountants argue that international accounting students are “a critical source of future labour supply” for Australia.
The government currently lists four types of accountants – accountant (general), management accountant, taxation accountant and external auditor – as being eligible for migration to Australia.
UNSW has an almost record enrolment in first-year accounting with over 1700 enrolled at present. Its record was 1800 in 2010.
Know more? Email ed.tadros @ fairfaxmedia.com.au
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Accounting grads struggle to find work, but CPA says that doesn’t add up
PUBLISHED: 20 Feb 2014 09:47:03 | UPDATED: 05 Mar 2014 06:30:08
Edmund Tadros and Agnes King
Accounting students are struggling to find unpaid internships as firms say automation, slack economic conditions and offshoring of low-level grunt work are reducing their staffing requirements.
Yet the two of the three peak accounting bodies maintain that demand for accountants is high and growing.
“Everyone tells you that accounting is one of the safer jobs to have,” said Callum Andrews, 23, from Camden in Sydney’s south-west, who finished an honours degree in accounting at the University of Wollongong last year. “But I’ve found it difficult to get a job. It is demoralising.”
The co-ordinator of the university’s internship program, Lynnaire Sheridan, said it has become increasingly difficult to place accounting graduates, even for short, unpaid work experience.
“In the Business Internship Program, on average, 20 undergraduate students compete for one or two corporate accounting internship roles each semester,” said Dr Sheridan.
“In auditing, the larger companies are no longer going to recruit graduates because they can outsource the work to China.”
One Melbourne-based CPA Australia member, who applied for a fee reduction because he has been out of work for more than a year, said he was told by CPA staff that the paperwork would be delayed because the association had been “swamped” with applications.
CPA Australia denied there had been any increase in these types of membership applications.
‘There is movement up the food chain’
“This is wrong,” spokesman Ben Pratt said. “Reduced fees are offered for a range of reasons and applicant numbers are in line with previous years.”
Yet outsourcing in some form – driven by cloud-based accounting technologies and cheap communication facilities – was affecting the total spectrum of the accounting world from the big four to the smaller sole practitioners, said Morrows accountant Murray Wyatt.
Automation and offshoring would reduce demand for junior accounting jobs by 10 to 15 per cent in First World economies, which would be offset by a spike in demand in emerging economies, said Edward Nusbaum, the global chief executive of big six accounting firm Grant Thornton.
Wyatt believes this will get worse.
“At this stage, outsourcing is affecting more task-oriented transactional processing and production of reports and statement of advice, rather than the management of the project and the client relationship, but slowly there is movement up the food chain,” he said.
The Department of Employment says there is no shortage of accountants and wants accounting taken off the Skilled Occupation List for migrants.
Its official data shows that there were, on average, 38 qualified accountants applying for each accounting position in 2012-13, well above other professions.
Overall demand has also fallen.
‘There will not be enough locally trained accountants’
The number of internet job ads for accountants has plummeted from a peak of about 15,000 a month in mid-2008 to about 5000 a month in mid-2013.
Last week, The Australian Financial Review revealed the number of Australians studying accounting fell 20 per cent between 2001 and 2012 and foreigners now vastly outnumbered local graduates.
But CPA Australia and the Institute of Chartered Accountants have taken a different view. The associations, which both derive revenue from assessment of migrants with accounting skills, have repeatedly told the federal government there is a shortage of accountants and want accounting to be kept on the list of Skilled Occupation List.
CPA Australia spokesman Mr Pratt said the association believed “demand for accountants is high and increasing as economic conditions and business confidence improves”.
“It is our contention that there will not be enough locally trained accountants to meet demand in the future, particularly in some specialist areas.”
This view has led to charges that CPA Australia has a conflict of interest in catering to its foreign and local members.
The association has about 37,000 overseas members out of a total 2012 membership of more than 144,000.
‘I’m either over-qualified or under-qualified’
Morrows’ Mr Wyatt said: “The conundrum is that there is an inherent conflict in acting on an individual basis for a member that resides overseas and the member that resides in Australia, given their employment interests may be diametrically opposed.
“I don’t believe it is possible for CPA Australia to contemplate protectionist types of politics, particularly when the reality is Australian graduates – whether they like or not – compete against their offshore counterparts.
“Clearly this is going to lead over the long term to rationalisation of Australian graduate employment expectations and rewards.”
CPA Australia denied there was any conflict between the needs of its local and overseas members.
“Our vision to become the best members services organisation in the world and we work every day from 19 offices globally – including every Australian state and territory – to make it a reality,” spokesman Mr Pratt said.
Forty-two year-old Perth graduate Sheree Taylor finds the stance of the CPA Australia “frustrating”.
Having graduated from Edith Cowan University with a Bachelor of Business (Accounting) last year, Ms Taylor has given up on finding a part-time accounting role and is now looking at financial planning.
“I’m either over-qualified or under-qualified,” she said. “There are no junior positions. It makes me wonder why I studied accounting at all.”
Do you know more? Contact ed.tadros @ fairfaxmedia.com.au
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