想养狗，求助

ozsmallbizowner

因为生意在农村，要搬迁到乡下，平时晚上就一个人，想养个狗做伴儿。

本人喜好打猎（目前刚起歩，没收获），所以，想养中大型的，长像威武，聪明，不爱叫。是不是gun dog 倒无所谓。

周末的时候带回城里（墨尔本）还可以和儿子们玩。

请各位推荐：

1 品种及原因

2 如何领养或购买

从未养过狗，请前辈耐心指教。

silverfoxs

Definitely Border Collie.
Purchase from Breeder

silverfoxs

What do you use to hunt? Rifle or cross bow?

ozsmallbizowner

silverfoxs 发表于 2013-5-11 09:55
Definitely Border Collie.
Purchase from Breeder

这个?

ozsmallbizowner

silverfoxs 发表于 2013-5-11 09:56
What do you use to hunt? Rifle or cross bow?

Fox by shotgun

ozsmallbizowner

这个呢?

silverfoxs

Urr, I'm not very knowledge for hunting, but using shotgun for hunting? That's very rare, shotgun's shoting range is about 10 menters and if your dog is chasing object, he may be shot by you!!
Are u serious?

ozsmallbizowner

silverfoxs 发表于 2013-5-11 10:06
Urr, I'm not very knowledge for hunting, but using shotgun for hunting? That's very rare, shotgun's  ...

参见卢外运动版关于猎狐的帖子

silverfoxs

German Shepard is an excellent dog, But be aware this is a watch dog which has overprotective instinct. He may attack someone or other dogs in terms of protecting you and your property.

ozsmallbizowner

before buying a puppy
Before you decide to buy a German Shepherd puppy, you should be aware of the commitment you will be making. There are a lot of things that can (and do) go wrong. This is about some of them, and what you can do to prevent them happening ...

is a german shepherd the right dog for you?
Have you thought about why you want a dog & why a German Shepherd in particular?

A German Shepherd is not a dog to be bought & left in the backyard to protect your home.It is not a wind-up toy. It is not a burglar alarm to be left in the "on" position. It is a highly intelligent, sensitive animal with social needs - the need to belong to a family or "pack", and to know who the pack leader is, (namely you) and to have confidence in you.

The German Shepherd is also a dog with a complex temperament. While it has a fierce “guard dog” image, it can also be very sensitive, emotional and affectionate. Temperament can vary a lot from dog to dog. For example: how confident and outgoing the dog is, or how sensitive and timid, how human-oriented or how independent, how dominant or accepting of human authority, how aggressive or how friendly, how excitable or how calm. These characteristics can also vary a lot within the individual dog as it matures and develops. But equally importantly, they are affected by how you bring up your puppy, and what kind of environment you provide.

Think about your type of family or household - anyone can have a dog, but there are particular problems that can crop up with single people, young adults, families with kids, older people and so on.

A German Shepherd is a wonderful dog to train, but it is not the easiest dog to handle, especially if you are lacking in confidence. Consider the dog’s size and temperament, and think honestly about your physical capabilities and your strength of character.

making a commitment
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This behaviour should be properly managed, so that the dog is not ruined by inappropriate punishment, nor, at the other extreme, allowed to develop bad habits as it grows up.




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angelacaojin

你在哪个区阿，一般shelter 的狗都适合farm,
不如去领养一只，要不然那些狗狗都要被安乐死了。

YANKS

GSD不太适合第一次养狗的人，很聪明的狗，但是他们需要比较firm且懂得如何训练狗的主人，因为他们的个性比较dominant，尤其如果你的狗只有在周末才会见到你的小孩，他不见得会愿意承认自己的地位比孩子低，可能会想dominate the kids.
其实gundogs组别里的狗会比较适合有小孩的家庭，他们大多很友善，很亲人黏人，也容易训练，因为他们的天性就是跟人类合作打猎，只是这些狗不符合你的长相威武的要求

ozsmallbizowner

YANKS 发表于 2013-5-11 22:04
GSD不太适合第一次养狗的人，很聪明的狗，但是他们需要比较firm且懂得如何训练狗的主人，因为他们的个性比 ...

GSD是不是有点 “生当做狗杰，死亦为鬼雄” 的气魄？
有没有可能通过狗学校的帮助，即使是第一次养狗，也能养的不错？
GSD是不是就是俗称的 “狼狗”？

YANKS

ozsmallbizowner 发表于 2013-5-11 22:23
GSD是不是有点 “生当做狗杰，死亦为鬼雄” 的气魄？
有没有可能通过狗学校的帮助，即使是第一次养狗，也 ...

狗学校有两种，一种是类似boarding school那样，把狗送去给他们训练几个星期，接回来时就已经是训练好了，但是如果主人没有持续的照着trainer的指示继续训练，过一阵子之后狗一样打回原形，钱就算是白花了。另一种是主人跟着狗狗一起学习，有一对一的教学，也有和别人一起上课的，主要就是教你怎么教狗，每堂课中间的间隔时间你一样要照着trainer的教学和你的狗一起练习。上学是最快的，如果你有时间和耐心，也可以看书和网上的教学视频训练你的狗，但是GSD的个性比较强势，完全没有经验的主人未必懂得如何处理可能发生的情况。
GSD就是狼狗，也是你另一个帖子里的德国牧羊犬

ozsmallbizowner

YANKS 发表于 2013-5-11 22:45
狗学校有两种，一种是类似boarding school那样，把狗送去给他们训练几个星期，接回来时就已经是训练好了 ...

我这人就是有毛病，凡是别人一再警告的事，我越是好奇，就越想试，虽然，很多次都是头破血流，但基本上死不悔改。

这下，我真心想试一试GSD了。

好在目前时间充裕，就跟狗一起上课吧。初步计划，7月或8月领养，开始上课。

看有的breeder要价1700，好像总体1500-2000的样子。

期待

YANKS

ozsmallbizowner 发表于 2013-5-11 23:41
我这人就是有毛病，凡是别人一再警告的事，我越是好奇，就越想试，虽然，很多次都是头破血流，但基本上死 ...

狗是生命，不能拿来试，万一到时候发现自己实在没有能力教好他，伤害了孩子，其他人或是其他狗，后悔都来不及，可能你的狗还要为此付出他的生命当成你尝试的代价，如果只是你一个人的事，要怎么试是你的自由，但是牵扯了其他生命又是另一回事，请三思。

ozsmallbizowner

YANKS 发表于 2013-5-11 23:47
狗是生命，不能拿来试，万一到时候发现自己实在没有能力教好他，伤害了孩子，其他人或是其他狗，后悔都来 ...

您的意思是？？？

YANKS

ozsmallbizowner 发表于 2013-5-11 23:52
您的意思是？？？

我前面说了，GSD的个性比较dominant，训练得好是非常棒的狗，但是如果没训练好，社会化不够，或是他认为自己的地位比小孩高，是有可能攻击陌生狗，陌生人，或是欺负你的小孩，如果发生这样的情况，他可能会被council或是RSPCA的人带走并安乐死，又或者他不是蓄意攻击，只是调皮扑人，但是以他的体型足以把老人或小孩推倒而导致受伤。
养只狗是10几年的commitment, 不是玩具，更不能用来让你当作不信邪，别人说不要就偏要试的白老鼠，到时候发现真的没办法再把他送走，与其这样，还不如不要养，至少没有造孽。
即使没有养GSD而选择了其他的狗种，新手主人最好也要带着狗一起上课，学习如何正确的训练狗和与狗相处，不要以为够凶够狠下得了手毒打一顿，狗狗就会是听话的好狗。

ozsmallbizowner

YANKS 发表于 2013-5-12 00:15
我前面说了，GSD的个性比较dominant，训练得好是非常棒的狗，但是如果没训练好，社会化不够，或是他认为 ...

理解爱狗人的担心，权当是善意提醒和提前忠告，我们没有很小的孩子，也没有老人家同住，我相信可以handle, 大家等我的好消息。

coolabe

ozsmallbizowner 发表于 2013-5-11 23:41
我这人就是有毛病，凡是别人一再警告的事，我越是好奇，就越想试，虽然，很多次都是头破血流，但基本上死 ...

LZ没有吃过这个老习惯的教训？您这种心态恐怕难以令宠版各位耙耙嫲嫲的认同。如果真心想养一只又能做伴侣，又能跟家人相处融洽的，头一次就养德牧恐怕不是最好选择。但是看看LZ的帖子，给人感觉您本来就已经打定主意要养德牧，只不过上来求证一下。那么别人无论是赞成或反对都是没什么意义的，而且，警告的声音越大，您就越想养。Anyway，LS各位网友中肯意见已经提过，LZ对自己的选择负好责任就好。

ozsmallbizowner

coolabe 发表于 2013-5-12 01:44
LZ没有吃过这个老习惯的教训？您这种心态恐怕难以令宠版各位耙耙嫲嫲的认同。如果真心想养一只又能做伴侣 ...

我觉得宠物版的各位可能是跟宠物交通多，人都变得有爱心，单纯。其实，我的固执，固然有＂头破血流＂的时候，但更多的是坚持之后，登上更高的层次，看到了更美的风景。这么说，也是谦虚一下，客气一下。

关于养狗，虽然从未养过，但身边不乏爱狗养狗的人。耳濡目染，也是有的。况且其中还有准专业的人士。之所以一直未养，就是深知这不可以是一时冲动之举，它意味着十几年的责任，决心难下啊!

关于德牧，有点好奇，理解大家的担心，问题是：1）你们养过吗? 2）你们知道有第一次养狗，就养德牧，成功或失败的案例吗? 3）你们如果对我知道的多一点，可能担心就会少一点

是否一定养德牧，我未做决定，来这里是真心求教。对所有的反对声音，我都会认真的听取，也谢谢伱们的直言不讳。

whitecats

ozsmallbizowner 发表于 2013-5-12 08:11
我觉得宠物版的各位可能是跟宠物交通多，人都变得有爱心，单纯。其实，我的固执，固然有＂头破血流＂的时 ...

只是看家做伴的话，很多品种可以选。
要是心里真的喜欢GS，我建议还是一步到位养德牧，多花点耐心和心思就行了。或者再养一条猎枪犬，让他们互相有个学习和做伴的过程。
从小到大，我养过很多条/种狗狗，最见不得的是狗狗的离去，但是从你领它入家门的时候你就得做好见它离去的痛苦准备。不过也看每个人的性格。

ozsmallbizowner

whitecats 发表于 2013-5-12 08:37
只是看家做伴的话，很多品种可以选。
要是心里真的喜欢GS，我建议还是一步到位养德牧，多花点耐心和心思 ...

非常感谢您，您是目前唯一支持直接养德牧的。至于说喜欢到什么程度，我的观点是要么不养，要养就养好的，就好好养。熟悉的友人也有建议，但大家一致认为，我要是养个小型犬，那是完全彻底的不搭。

whitecats

ozsmallbizowner 发表于 2013-5-12 10:27
非常感谢您，您是目前唯一支持直接养德牧的。至于说喜欢到什么程度，我的观点是要么不养，要养就养好的， ...

说实话德牧还蛮好养的，不娇气，我小时候最喜欢缠着大人给我养狗狗

肥鱼

支持楼主养德牧，我家的德牧现在4个月大了，刚刚做完绝育手术才4天，又活蹦乱跳的，真是精力非常旺盛，食量惊人。所谓第一次养狗一定要怎么样怎么样的，我觉得还是因人而异。就像有的人天生就是喜欢小孩能照顾小孩的，有的初为父母却照顾的不怎么好，道理也是类似的，你有足够的自信和执行力，那就相信自己能做好。没有尝试过，怎么知道自己行不行，最重要的对狗有爱心，有耐心，。
这是她的近照，体重17.5公斤，年龄4个月零5天。

西皮二黄

ozsmallbizowner 发表于 2013-5-11 23:23
GSD是不是有点 “生当做狗杰，死亦为鬼雄” 的气魄？
有没有可能通过狗学校的帮助，即使是第一次养狗，也 ...

LZ要是有点耐心，虚心学习的话，花点时间精力，俺赶脚啥狗都木有问题。

俺们一开始养狗的时候，也有无数人说罗威纳不适合初次养狗的人，罗威纳不适合家里有小孩的人
结果现在还不是养的好好的嘛，呵呵

ozsmallbizowner

肥鱼 发表于 2013-5-12 21:43
支持楼主养德牧，我家的德牧现在4个月大了，刚刚做完绝育手术才4天，又活蹦乱跳的，真是精力非常旺盛，食量 ...

握手！

ozsmallbizowner

西皮二黄 发表于 2013-5-12 21:49
LZ要是有点耐心，虚心学习的话，花点时间精力，俺赶脚啥狗都木有问题。

俺们一开始养狗的时候，也有无数 ...

致敬！

ozsmallbizowner

肥鱼 发表于 2013-5-12 21:43
支持楼主养德牧，我家的德牧现在4个月大了，刚刚做完绝育手术才4天，又活蹦乱跳的，真是精力非常旺盛，食量 ...

1）你们在墨尔本吗？
2）食量达到什么程度？
3）是从哪个breeder领养的？



你家的德牧真帅！眼睛是因为用闪光灯的缘故么？

肥鱼

我在悉尼。按钱计算的话每天至少要3刀，成年了估计更多。我给她吃生鸡肉 +　米饭＋袋装狗粮
当时决定养的时候找了ｂｒｅｅｄｅｒ无奈预算有限，找了一个不是专业育狗的，但是见过ｐｕｐｐｙ父母，
父长毛，母短毛，骨量大，外形可靠，花了９５０抱回来的。另外买德牧直背的据说比弓背（臀部严重下斜）那种，髋部病症几率要小很多，供你参考。